# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/981 "2012-04-13T00:17:07Z")
All this talk about win conditions makes me suddenly wonder… I haven’t played enough games to know this, but can more than one person reach his or her “wincon”? I mean, could **fubbles** meet his wincon alongside with either Town or Scum players, or any other third party player? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/982 "2012-04-13T00:17:09Z")
I actually don’t even want to vote for you. I don’t think you’re scum, and even if you’re lying about the third party part, I generally prefer to keep you folks alive and friendly anyway. Town’s a lot easier to work with than scum since we have less to lose – it’s our big advantage in negotiating with neutrals. However, I do want to vote about five other people. Grarh. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/983 "2012-04-13T00:18:03Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Interesting that **Gadarene** mentions a possible motivation for accumulating wealth as a win condition, and you suddenly have a half-price sale AND you’re demanding he outs his source? :dubious: > > That’s not suspicious at all. Nope. > > **Unvote** > > **Vote FubbleSkags** for basically ignoring the contents of what **Gad** ’s just posted and rather focusing on just the source. Don’t like competition or something? > > And again, I think in light of the PM that **Gad** just revealed- one interesting thing that no one’s mentioned- it’s MOST money ALIVE OR DEAD. > > I could easily see a player with that condition negotiating with scum to work with them just for the money, and even in death, still winning as long as they die with expensive items and enough money from other players or being bought off from scum. > > The fact that you went silent on that part, but chose to attack the source of the quotes just makes me feel like that one might have struck too close to home for you. the idea that you think I might have been able to amass enough wealth to fulfill such a win condition in only one Day (which you’ll notice I entirely missed) is laughable. I’m leaving my vote where it is, but if the 1/2 price sale bothers everyone so much, consider it revoked. in fact, you can consider my services shut down entirely - if you have negotiated an item inspection with me, consider it cancelled and yourself free of any obligation to me as part of the negotiation. if there is a wealth wincon, I’d recommend you all be weary of someone offering to buy/sell items, since other than outright stealing gold, there’s no other way to obtain it. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/984 "2012-04-13T00:18:13Z")
_ **"Give generously to the** _\*\* neuticles for ToeJam \*\*\*\*_ **fund. It’s a worthy cause, and he will soon be in desperate need of your charity."** _ -IC- ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/985 "2012-04-13T00:19:27Z")
my beer appears to be empty, what the fuck ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/986 "2012-04-13T00:20:25Z")
Oh, that explains it. It’s ok, fubs, I still wubs you. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/987 "2012-04-13T00:25:23Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > graped for emphasis. I came here to post this same thought, which occurred to me in the middle of an epic battle of dexterity and wits with **juniorskag** at the dinner table. > > **vote Gadarene** > > **Gadarene** , I demand that you out your source immediately; refusal to do so will be viewed as anti-Town at best, and pro-Scum at worst. > > also, **1/2 price item inspections** for anyone who places/changes their vote from here forward on **Gadarene** until/unless he outs his source. You’re a transparent joke. There’s no way you think I’m scum here. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/988 "2012-04-13T00:33:32Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > _ **"Give generously to the** _\*\* neuticles for ToeJam \*\*\*\*_ **fund. It’s a worthy cause, and he will soon be in desperate need of your charity."** _ > > -IC- Ha. Maybe you don’t deserve the name **Hughley** , unlike the other, you actually made me laugh. Perhaps you should seek Comedy if you ever get free of your Master. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/989 "2012-04-13T00:35:23Z")
OOC: I do love this character, sooo much. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/990 "2012-04-13T00:40:20Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > You’re a transparent joke. There’s no way you think I’m scum here. actually, I completely do. not that that makes the first statement any less true. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/991 "2012-04-13T00:41:45Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > _ **“If your puny bits aren’t functioning properly, go consult a witch doctor. Alternatively, I could just neuter you with fire so you’ll have an excuse.”** _ > > -IC- Like you neutered yourself? Sounds painful. How about no. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/992 "2012-04-13T00:44:21Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > _waves at Red Skeezix_ Be sure to read the all the nice things I said about you. _ducks and runs_ Sorry, but I just don’t have the time to respond to every piece of fan mail that comes in. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/993 "2012-04-13T00:50:05Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > OOC: I do love this character, sooo much. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/994 "2012-04-13T01:13:09Z")
I thought his name was **fubbleskag**. What’s with the capital “F” and capital “S” used in **Gadarene’s** quoted PM and then in the vote by **ToeJam**? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/995 "2012-04-13T01:13:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Either Red has a special role with particular damage modifiers or his attacker has a unique implement or particular damage modifiers. Or an unknown third option but until Red comes back or the attacker reveals themself, we can only guess. If any of this is true or false, I don’t have the information required to confirm or deny. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I bet a shiny nickel the attack on skeezix was a “stop lurking” shot across the bow. Maybe that was the intent, but honestly if I was lurking (ie reading along, but not posting, which I have in the past done), I’d not likely miss a chance to vote or abstain, since that would be a detriment to me by not getting experience. > [@LightFoot](#): > > that may be a bit of a leap, there are some players that ignore Night . But I’m sure there is some Scum in the pool Blanket smudge much? > [@choie](#): > > As long as I’m ruminating in public (how gauche!), I’m noticing some atypical behavior, from what little experience I’ve had with certain players. **Silver Jan** has been atypically silent, and ditto **Guiri** , at least today. **Red Skeezix** has a grand total of one post in this thread, and that was just questioning his 60hp loss. (Admittedly it’s actually a great question. Who attacked him, and why? Plus, most of the other hp losses were in multiples of 25 or pseudo-half of that (13). Why sixty for **Red Skeezix**?) Pshh. Bite me. I can’t find the quote (maybe it was a PM), and this thought might already be addressed. But I do believe that someone said: “Hey lets not randomly use our powers that do damage, because it might make it easier for scum to kill us off”. I disagree, from what I can tell, elementally aligned powers can give information about other players. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > He posted once and I really need to see a lot more than that from him. When he’s all but disappeared lately in my experience, most of the time he’s been scum, and whether that’s fair or not it really bothers me to see it potentially happening again. 1. Bite me 2. You can’t disappear if you don’t show up in the first place. 3. _Waves_ HI NORMAL. > [@Weedy](#): > > Re: Red Skeezix, I was going to say to Normal Phase that he haas been a lurker in every game I’ve seen. But he has been Scum every game as well, so that could be a good read. Bite me. Baseless accusations. I’m only scum about 80% of the time. Also, the amount of times I’ve been scum in previous games has no bearing on whether or not I’m scum now. By your own admission, you have never played with me as town (no idea if this is true or not), so you lack a reference point. Why go down that road? **unvote: Petw** **vote: Weedy** ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/996 "2012-04-13T01:22:15Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > I thought his name was **fubbleskag**. What’s with the capital “F” and capital “S” used in **Gadarene’s** quoted PM and then in the vote by **ToeJam**? LOL. The plot thickens. So who’s YOUR source, ToeJam? Yourself? If so, why aren’t you responding to my brilliant advertising? I need coffee. Getting punchy. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/997 "2012-04-13T01:22:57Z")
Inner’s probably town, Skeezix. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/998 "2012-04-13T01:24:58Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > I can’t find the quote (maybe it was a PM), and this thought might already be addressed. But I do believe that someone said: “Hey lets not randomly use our powers that do damage, because it might make it easier for scum to kill us off”. I disagree, from what I can tell, elementally aligned powers can give information about other players. That might have been me, and I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. What sort of information? If you just mean the other player’s elemental alignment, those can be changed. > [@](#): > > 1. Bite me > 2. You can’t disappear if you don’t show up in the first place. > 3. _Waves_ HI NORMAL. 😃 I wub you too. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/999 "2012-04-13T01:30:17Z")
> [@BobArrgh](#): > > I thought his name was **fubbleskag**. What’s with the capital “F” and capital “S” used in **Gadarene’s** quoted PM and then in the vote by **ToeJam**? I like Capitalizing words as I see fit, and also making up names as well. Like yours, you’re going to be **BobA…** , but I’ll throw in a random amount of Rs after your name. I don’t honestly care that much about your names to get it right. 😃 Just ask \*\*Hughley \*\*over here how he feels about it. Unless you’re trying to make an implication, in which case… I like it, tenuous and shaky, but at least you’re trying. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1000 "2012-04-13T01:34:50Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That might have been me, and I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. What sort of information? If you just mean the other player’s elemental alignment, those can be changed. But when it comes time for claims, i expect that people will say what they were on day 1, 2, …n and what they might have done during those times. And if there is a discrepancy, then there is a potential liar. More info = better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=51)