# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1141 "2012-04-14T17:40:01Z")
I’ve weakish Town reads on a few, and a slight Scum read on only one: **Unvote; Vote: Astral Rejection** This read follows others’ comments, as well as some (problematic) issues I won’t try to articulate. (I’m sure my failure to explain will be treated as Scummy, but, frankly, it’s annoying to spend time trying to be helpful knowing my comments are scrutinized for possible scumminess and have no other effect. I am Town but, if Lynched, may be little loss – I’m a bad player.) > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > [QUOTE=septimus] > I had a slight scum lean on Astral D1, which hasn’t changed. The case against MHaye looks plausible; I’ll study it over the coming hours and may join that bandwagon. > > I live in Thailand which is entering its annual Songkran Water Festival. There’s a chance I may end up inebriated, participating in infamous mud orgies, and incommunicado … How’s that study coming along? Or do you think **present** is scummier? Bad luck, eh? [/QUOTE] Rereading **MHaye** I get no Scum read. He, but especially others, are relatively quiet which is likely where some Scum are hiding. As of now, only Astral reads as likely Scum to me but I’ll read other cases, if presented. As for the Songkran Water Festival, a main purpose of the watering is that April is the hottest month; this April is no exception. The pretty young girls are as pretty and young as ever, if not more so, but the same can’t be said of me. It was the _mothers_ of these girls who were the pretty young girls when I first came to the village, and I was too old for them then. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1142 "2012-04-14T18:40:18Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I think we’re in agreement. My question was to ToeJam about his vote on Fubbles. He seems to think he’s a non-win-stealing third party rather than scum and I question the wish to lynch non-scum, especially if that claimed wincon is true. I don’t remember that vote, do you have a link? I know PetW had fubbles on his suspicion list for that reasons; that’s part of why I voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1143 "2012-04-14T18:43:01Z")
Go ahead and tell me in private then if you want Septimus; you know I’m predisposed to listen. If you want to look at other cases, stuff has been presented against Scathach, Weedy, Visorslash and of course Gadarene. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1144 "2012-04-14T19:02:25Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > So because you don’t think someone is scum that I do makes me scum? Yeah, alright then. :rolleyes: Yay you posted something that made a hell of a lot of sense 😛 [**COLOR=“Red”]Unvote Visorslash[/COLOR]** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1145 "2012-04-14T19:03:32Z")
Neta CRAP **Unvote Visorslash** ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1146 "2012-04-14T20:04:54Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > you can always post your chat logs. tough for Weedy to do that when we talked on the phone as i was riding from one place to another. Offline by any means, we were told! She’s not joking when she says she knows me best. I was trying to gauge response to my post/get any kind of update because I hadn’t been able to be online all day. Also I was grizzling about coming down with something (We are in Aus for those who don’t know.) It’s crazy early here but I’m reading now because I’m sick. I’ll have to crack through and get back onto recording soon. But for the moment you have me. I’m just doing some catchup. Spotted this when I was checking the last page to see just how much i’ll have to do 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1147 "2012-04-14T20:17:09Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Yay you posted something that made a hell of a lot of sense 😛 > > [**COLOR=“Red”]Unvote Visorslash[/COLOR]** Don’t really have time to post, but this post is wrong. I would be voting silver jan next phase. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1148 "2012-04-14T20:17:41Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > tough for Weedy to do that when we talked on the phone as i was riding from one place to another. Offline by any means, we were told! She’s not joking when she says she knows me best. > > I was trying to gauge response to my post/get any kind of update because I hadn’t been able to be online all day. Also I was grizzling about coming down with something (We are in Aus for those who don’t know.) > > It’s crazy early here but I’m reading now because I’m sick. I’ll have to crack through and get back onto recording soon. But for the moment you have me. I’m just doing some catchup. Spotted this when I was checking the last page to see just how much i’ll have to do 😕 [OOC] consider the above appropriately OOC-bracketed as well ! [OOC] ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1149 "2012-04-14T20:29:44Z")
I wonder whether dear Lord Phere is Fire perhaps a drenching might curtail his pyre? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1150 "2012-04-14T20:31:47Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t remember that vote, do you have a link? I know PetW had fubbles on his suspicion list for that reasons; that’s part of why I voted for him. Here, I’ll quote it for you: > [@ToeJam](#): > > Interesting that **Gadarene** mentions a possible motivation for accumulating wealth as a win condition, and you suddenly have a half-price sale AND you’re demanding he outs his source? :dubious: > > That’s not suspicious at all. Nope. > Unvote > Vote FubbleSkags for basically ignoring the contents of what **Gad** ’s just posted and rather focusing on just the source. Don’t like competition or something? > > And again, I think in light of the PM that **Gad** just revealed- one interesting thing that no one’s mentioned- it’s MOST money ALIVE OR DEAD. > > I could easily see a player with that condition negotiating with scum to work with them just for the money, and even in death, still winning as long as they die with expensive items and enough money from other players or being bought off from scum. > > The fact that you went silent on that part, but chose to attack the source of the quotes just makes me feel like that one might have struck too close to home for you. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1151 "2012-04-14T21:30:28Z")
You’re right. Voting for fubbles because if he’s a third party he might cooperate with scum is weak. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1152 "2012-04-14T21:34:11Z")
I’ve not tried to do this myself, but it shouldn’t be hard to figure out who, _if anyone_, Gadarene’s contact is. Several players can be ruled out by Gadarene’s discussion. He posts an alleged PM verbatim and (although I’m too groggy and lazy to attempt it now myself) it shouldn’t be hard to compare styles and make a good guess about the PM’s author. But … it seems possible the whole PM is just Gadarene’s forgery. The idea advanced earlier that Astral and Gadarene are fellow Scum bussing each other seems plausible. I’m _almost_ tempted to move my Vote to Gadarene and take up Fubble’s offer … ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1153 "2012-04-14T21:49:30Z")
> [@realitytrip](#): > > Yes, I agree with this. I think the only elemental issue with the items would be that if an item were associated with an element (e.g. blue item=water) that its effects would be modified by the person who was receiving them. That is, if a blue item was water it would be more effective at damaging a fire aligned person and less effective at healing a fire aligned person depending on what the item did, if it did anything at all. But I don’t think you have to worry about an item in your possession harming you. I understand your point and yet I think the opposite in element could curse a fiery person wearing water blue could get a shock if it works in reverse ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1154 "2012-04-14T22:03:03Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > I’m assuming they were scum because 1. Only Town were killed and 2. A townie was killed in a fashion that still keeps the top 2 lynch candidates under suspicion. > If the top 2 lynch candidates are spared and a relatively innocuous townie is killed, that seems pretty indicative of scum. It is possible, of course, that the extra votes were townie, but I doubt it. Dear sir, please entertain this novel view - that there may be more options than just two: that a secret triple vote could well purport to an agenda of a different sort! ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1155 "2012-04-14T22:08:00Z")
PetW[spoiler]#107 Asks Visor about his antagonistic stance and how it helps town. Was pinged by his posts in the sign-up thread, asks his age #188, 190 Explains accusation, not satisfied with response so votes Visorslash, vote is a pressure vote, wants to be alerted to lurkers #362, 363 (After EOD) is happy with vote, suspects his tone changed in sign-up thread after PMs were sent out #567 Suggests focusing attacks on the demon, need unanimous votes, doesn’t trust Gadarene for his farewell post and miraculous save #569 Corrects himself, miraculous save doesn’t indicate Gadarene’s alignment #570 To choie, agrees that focused attacks on suspect scum would be preferable to diffuse attacks, need to start working together #574 To Visorslash, smart vote strategy will prevent the extra votes deciding the lunch. If we need to kill the demon, we’ll find a way #578 To Gadarene, defends comments on his farewell, didn’t suggest diffuse attacks but coordinate attacks on suspected scum #579 Doesn’t think it’s worthwhile attacking the demon, suggests attacking Gadarene instead #582 To SilverJan, who asks if he thinks Astral is scum too, comments. I can’t understand it though: > [@PetW](#): > > Not necessarily, it’d only make sense for scum/demon to lynch Mosier because if either/both Astral and Gadarene are Town they’re the most likely to get lynched. #735 Asks what people think of coordinated attacks as a secondary lynch #742 Apologises to Scathach for taking credit for her idea #755 Cautions against giving items away, Fubbles could booby trap them, wonders why he wants gold #767 Based on Pizza’s info, killing the demon can’t be part of the wincon #768 Self votes for ring #835 Infamous post with gloating, rallying call to coordinate votes, votes Gadarene for his farewell post and since scum didn’t kill him, suspects Fubbles is not up to any good, suspects Visorslash for being abrasive and changing his tone #837 Asks who agrees with the vote coordination idea #838 OOC comment on phone #848 Asks Normal to explain vote and comment on his vote strategy #889 To Gnarly, explains why assumes 3 scum kills, all were town, doubts extra votes were townie #899 Doesn’t think one of the kills was a vig kill. This is only second game. #905 To SilverJan, who votes him for his strategy, explains objective of strategy #907 Provides more detail #1025 Suspects triple votes are not final and will be used to force a mislynch #1029 Taunts Lord Phere #1092 Asks if there’s a relationship between alignment and faction, does good mean town[/spoiler]D1 was just his vote on Visor, based on his posts in the sign-up thread, OK for a pressure vote but a very weird accusation. He seems to do a 180 in relation to attacking Lord Phere, initially he suggests it, then, after choie voices her thoughts against the idea, he sees the value of having a second lynch, then he doesn’t think it’s worthwhile attacking the Lord and “as he said”, we should go for a second lynch, and then suspects that killing the demon can’t be part of the wincon - I can’t decide if it’s backing off or a realization. I don’t see how his comment about the triple voter fits with his vote on Gadarene, he seems to give him a fairly high probability of being Town. I see the gloating and I don’t get the reasoning for the vote on Gadarene, scum had good reason to keep him alive. Quite confident for his second game ever, I’m dubious. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1156 "2012-04-14T22:08:19Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > you can always post your chat logs. We talked on the phone, and it was more her tone of voice, and the naturalness of the conversation than what she said. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1157 "2012-04-14T22:11:24Z")
@ Septimus – all I can say is ToeJam denied it was him. I’m not sure whether Visor is implying he has the same information as Gadarene says that he has, with what he said in his last post; or whether he’s just working off what Gadarene said. I"m not having the best of days. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1158 "2012-04-14T22:14:05Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > [ I don’t see how his comment about the triple voter fits with his vote on Gadarene, he seems to give him a fairly high probability of being Town. I see the gloating and I don’t get the reasoning for the vote on Gadarene, scum had good reason to keep him alive. Quite confident for his second game ever, I’m dubious. I don’t get the first sentence here. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1159 "2012-04-14T22:24:33Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I don’t get the first sentence here. It’s the one quote I left in the WoW, I struggle to understand the “if either/both are town” bit. Here’s the full exchange: > [@PetW](#): > > Also, between Gadarenes tearful goodbye and his miraculous save at the end, I don’t trust him at all. > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > There is something not quite right here and I’m not sure how to explain it properly. **Mosier** was 3rd in line for the lynch so are you trying to say that both **Gaderene** and **Astral** are scum? > [@PetW](#): > > Not necessarily, it’d only make sense for scum/demon to lynch Mosier because if either/both Astral and Gadarene are Town they’re the most likely to get lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1160 "2012-04-14T22:54:30Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > Not necessarily, it’d only make sense for scum/demon to lynch Mosier because if either/both Astral and Gadarene are Town they’re the most likely to get lynched. Guiri, he is saying that if Astral or Gadarene were Town, they would have been lynched, so the fact that they didn’t means they are more likely Scum. It wouldn’t have made sense for the demon to lynch Mosier when he could have lynched Astral or Gadarene. I disagree, but I don’t think what he is saying is inconsistent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=59)