# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1221 "2012-04-15T15:41:17Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > oh. you actually TALKED to each other. > do you talk like this on the phone too? :eek: so **weedy** thinks your Town. what do you think of her? > Wine In Front of Me. it’s from the movie, “The Princess Bride.” you’ll have to research the clip as i don’t think we have permission to post links to stuff outside the game. > > at any rate, it is a term to describe a situation which results in circular decision making. For example, in a game where there is an outed cop and a doc. the doc would be expected to protect the cop. scum would therefore kill someone else. the doc may think to protect someone else. scum then might target the cop. so it goes into infinite cycle. I can’t tell with Weedy. She’s a way more experienced player than I am. She’s reminding me sometimes of how she was in the other game I played, where she was scum, but she was flustered then due to out of game conditions, and she has reason to be so at the moment too. So.. I don’t know which way to go. I’ll just have to watch her closely. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1222 "2012-04-15T15:45:45Z")
We need to unite on gift recipients to keep the goodies away from Scum: ( **Unvote Pendant** ) … **Vote: blue pendant to Normal Phase** I’m happy with my Lynch vote on Astral. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1223 "2012-04-15T15:46:32Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > LOL that you didn’t ask me that question the first time. 🙂 > > Same reason I voted him the first time, plus it’s just plain weird how the votes on him evaporated. Makes me paranoid. > > Breaking people’s spreadsheets is also a plus. thanks a lot! my spreadsheet still hasn’t recovered from the beating it took in Scooby Doo. :mad: > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > I have to admit that Suburban has completely failed to ping me thus far, but that is quite strange and I would like to see an explanation. this is interesting to me too. where is **SP**? > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > sorry to hear you were gypped. obviously your experience has colored your view of the game. i don’t think **fubbles** will be lynched any time soon. several players are interested in the identification of their items so they won’t be voting for him. at best your vote is just a statement and arguably a waste. > > so since your voting him, you find the rest of us are town then? argh! you’re not your. :smack: i’m going grammar police on myself. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1224 "2012-04-15T15:58:49Z")
**Emerald Ring: Tanaer Blue Pendant: BobARRG Sapphire Ring: BobARRG** because I think he deserves something for being willing to out his element ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1225 "2012-04-15T16:06:29Z")
I must say that I am rather surprised that **Choie** is voting for someone that could be 3rd Party. I feel that it’s a wishy washy kind of vote. It is actually pinging me a bit, in the 2 previous games that I have played with her she came across as much more decisive. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1226 "2012-04-15T16:09:48Z")
Oh and **Emerald Ring : Gaderene Blue Pendant: Silver Jan Sapphire Ring: Normal Phase** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1227 "2012-04-15T16:21:23Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Oh and > Emerald Ring : Gaderene > Blue Pendant: Silver Jan > Sapphire Ring: Normal Phase Normal has already received at least two votes for the Blue Pendant. Is there a reason why you want that object in particular? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1228 "2012-04-15T16:29:37Z")
septimus probably town, Silver Jan probably town ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1229 "2012-04-15T16:31:21Z")
Soooo **Normal** tells me I’m a crackpot for voting for **fubbles** , someone with two votes on him, because he’s never gonna be lynched. Then she places a vote on **PetW**. Who has no votes at all. And this _isn’t_ a waste of a vote. **Normal** exhorts me to vote for someone I don’t think is especially scummy over someone I think _is_. Is that how this game is supposed to work? I admit I don’t have the massive amount ofexpertise that **Normal** does, but I thought we were supposed to vote for people we think are scummy. Not whom _other_ people think are scummy. Frankly I think that sucks. But whatevs. Since I think **Gadarene** is town and I’m a bit more neutral on **Astral** , I guess he’s the one for the chop. And I think that sucks too, because I vastly prefer to vote for people on whom I have a much, much stronger feeling. **fubbles** meets that qualification and **Astral** doesn’t… at best he’s only slightly scummish to me, and that’s just because of those triplet votes that saved him the other Day. But okay, **Normal**. You win. **unvote fubbleskag** **vote Astral** The above reminds me: again, for vote tallying purposes, PLEASE tell us whom you’re unvoting. And place it in red. Since I’m the only one tallying these days, it helps when people remind us where they’re votes were before they switch. (Actually that’s useful for all of us too.) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1230 "2012-04-15T16:41:09Z")
I know, I’m _such_ a hypocrite. 😃 I could argue with you, but I actually think my points on both those issues have already been made. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1231 "2012-04-15T16:46:26Z")
Nobody’s screaming scumminess at me at the moment, but an abstain/present won’t help anyone - except maybe scum. I’m not into Gadarene as a lynch candidate at all. So, since there were was that big vote save that benefited Astral as well, and his unusual fake-eod behaviour… Guiri made a bunch of interesting points too, so **vote Astral Rejection** I won’t be around at EOD to see how all this goes. I hope I’m doing the right thing here! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1232 "2012-04-15T16:47:36Z")
That’s all right. I’m sorry for being obnoxious, **Normal**. It’s RL stuff that isn’t working out the way I want it to, relating to someone making a ridiculous choice to cut off his nose to spite not just his own face but mine too. So I guess some of this frustration is leaking into the game, which is stupid. Sorry again. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1233 "2012-04-15T16:52:28Z")
I want to draw your attention to what happened when Lord Phere was summoned. It appears light, and perhaps (by inference) light magic may damage the demon lord. Certainly finding and lynching the summoner will hopefully deal with the demon, but if we damage the beast itself, perhaps it will not be able to hurt us quite so much? > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > [FONT=Garamond][The Demon Lord began to roar with unimaginable fury, and prepared to obliterate the small being at its feet. The \*\*Summoner’s \*\*hands began to **glow brightly** , and the first light of the sun began to shine down on the valley from behind the pointed peaks. The Demon shook the ground as it reacted from the shocking pain. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1234 "2012-04-15T17:07:42Z")
Just got caught up with reading the events. **Unvote Fubsy** Someone asked the question a while back do I think he’s scum or 3rd party. :Shrug: I don’t think he’s either. I think he’s just a neutral. Why was I voting for him? Because I think he was taking advantage of the Town. But w/e. It’s your items. If he betrays someone, he’ll be called out for it, and he’ll die then. No harm no foul, except he’ll probably still win- per **Gad** ’s comment of win cons. That said, I like \*\*Taener’\*\*s style. Cool. And I find myself agreeing with alot of what she’s saying, which makes me paranoid about her. But not in a “She must die!” sort of a way. But more in a “She’s the first one of the new people I actually really wouldn’t mind playing a normal mafia game” sorta way. She’s thinking, and I like her anti-Hughley stance. That said. I know I’ve been busier (And Will be busy for the next week- as it’s finals week for moi- so upto April 20-22nd, I’ll be less my awesome self, and more my quieter self). That said. Voting. :shrug: **Visorslash** - I think he’s got a head inside the metal abrasive sponge technique. He’s gotten some good ideas out there, and he’s thinking. I feel better about not wanting to lynch him Day 1. He’s just going to take getting used to, and then analyzing his pithy replies. I would like to hear **Suburban** ’s reasoning for voting for **Gadarene** still. I thought it was a good point about the dual informer contact- that both may have been contacted… but **Sub’s** has not agreed/changed his style/ or mentioned anything about that. I dislike the \*\*PizzaGuy \*\*voting/Unvoting by D.L. It’s alot of WIFOM to certainly make us wonder- is it someone else framing **AstraL** or is it **Astra** trying to make himself look less scummy for it. All i know is there’s probably 3 votes coming out at the end of the Day to hit us where it hurts. I think for now, I’m going to have to see what the demon was up to- easiest way to solve the WiFoM- it was done twice already (Astral/Gad lynch Day 1, were they spared or framed?), and now again for **Astral** (Avoid votes/Gain votes)? I’m going to vote **Astral Rejection**. Easiest way to cut through wifom is to drink it and see what happens. Risky, but at this juncture, I could use more information. (oog: Also, I doubt I’ll be doing any voter analysis stuff for the next week or so, so thanks for picking that up, hopefully once all the graduation paperwork is done and finals over, i’ll be able to devote myself 100% to this game. /oog) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1235 "2012-04-15T17:09:16Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > **Vote Astral Rejection** > > Mostly from my POV, to follow the wagon, but he seems like a decent lynch to me. There’s been a few strange things about him - the triple voter skipped him to lynch Mosier, and his vote for Gad at :56. It’s weird that he anticipated vote changing power there. I thought he might be double voter himself, but he claimed vanilla. > > I’m going to bed now, probably won’t be back before EoD. You didn’t **unvote** your last vote, which was on **MHaye** at #1040, as far as I can see. So I suspect your **Astral** vote won’t be counted. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1236 "2012-04-15T17:18:17Z")
This is so incredibly bizarre. What is this, the Guiri seal of approval or something? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1237 "2012-04-15T17:21:25Z")
=========================================== **Astral Rejection** (8 or 7 if **Weedy** isn’t counted) - [del] **Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy** [/del] (1027, [del]1197[/del]), [del] **Normal Phase** [/del] (1035, [del]1211[/del]), **septimus** (1141), **Silver Jan** (1202), **Visorslash** (1203), **GuiriEnEspana** (1218), _ **Weedy** (1219)_, **choie** (1229), **Tanaer** (1231), **ToeJam** (1234) **Gadarene** (2) - **Suburban Plankton** (813), [del] **Visorslash** [/del] (824, [del]1194[/del], 1200, [del]1203[/del]), **fubbleskag** (967) **MHaye** (2 or 1 if **Weedy** isn’t counted) - **Astral Rejection** (814), [del] **Normal Phase** [/del] (825, [del]838[/del], 904, [del]1035[/del]), _ **Weedy** (1040)_ **Weedy** (2) - **Red Skeezix** (995), **gnarlycharlie** (1041) **Scathach** (1) - **LightFoot** (1139) **Suburban Plankton** (1) - **Gadarene** (1195) **PetW** (1) - **Normal Phase** (838, [del]838[/del] 1211), [del] **Gadarene** [/del] (871, [del]1052[/del]), [del] **gnarlycharlie** [/del] (886, [del]1024[/del]), [del] **Silver Jan** [/del] (902, [del]1038[/del]), [del] **Red Skeezix** [/del] (964, [del]995[/del]) **choie** (0) - [del] **Visorslash** [/del] (1194, [del]1200[/del]) **fubbleskag** (0) - [del] **choie** [/del] (811, [del]1229[/del]), [del] **ToeJam** [/del] (977, [del]1234[/del]) **GuiriEnEspana** (0) - [del] **Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy** [/del] (955, [del]1027[/del]) **septimus** (0) - [del] **ToeJam** [/del] (932, [del]977[/del]) **Visorslash** (0) - [del] **Gadarene** [/del] (1052, [del]1195[/del]), [del] **Silver Jan** [/del] (1071, [del]1145[/del]) Abstain (1) - **NAF1138** (844) Present (0) - [del] **septimus** [/del] (870, [del]1141[/del]) Note: I didn’t include anyone who never had a vote on him/her. ========================================== ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1238 "2012-04-15T17:33:23Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > This is so incredibly bizarre. What is this, the Guiri seal of approval or something? Wait. People are actually voting on the bandwagon _you_ started and then jumped off when it became convenient to do so. What’s with blaming **Guiri**?! **Guiri** , you want to know who I think is scummy? From most to least: 1. **Fubbleskag** - Untrustworthy, don’t believe he just wants those gems 'cause they’re pretty; I think he knows something about their power when used together. He’s either scum or an expendable third party. 2. **Normal** - Her crazy vote/unvoting record is scatterbrained and I don’t think it’s genuine. More importantly, for starting a lynch mob on **Astral** , then carping at me for voting for a person who couldn’t be lynched, only to jump off the bandwagon she started to vote for a person who couldn’t be lynched. And then blaming _you_ for the **Astral** bandwagon. Wow. 3. **NAFwhatevs** - I think voting to abstain is bullshit. 4. **Astral Rejection** - Yeah, the three votes to save his hide were suspicious. 5. **Visorslash** - Only because I hope he is. Also, more seriously, because I think he’s been a distraction and not hugely helpful to Town. 6. **Believerer** - Subbing in only not to say anything in public? He/she is either extremely new and shy, or busy as hell on the scum board. 7. All the other nonvoters - see **Believerer**. 8. **Guiri** - Because I’m feeling ornery and I mistrust anyone who other people trust for no reason other than metagaming, and yes, I’m one of the people who trusts you. I guess I’ve got a bit of a split personality thing going here. (But honestly, I really doubt you’re scum.) I do _not_ understand the **MHaye** or **PetW** cases. At all. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1239 "2012-04-15T17:44:29Z")
I’m not blaming Guiri at all. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1240 "2012-04-15T17:45:40Z")
So then what did the “seal of approval” crack mean? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=63)