# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1241 "2012-04-15T17:46:56Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Normal has already received at least two votes for the Blue Pendant. Is there a reason why you want that object in particular? Not really. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1242 "2012-04-15T17:48:13Z")
NAF1138 is probably scum. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1243 "2012-04-15T17:50:51Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > NAF1138 is probably scum. **Gadarene** , dude, I think you’re Town, but you’re not helping your own case with these one-line, “she’s scum” “He’s not scum” posts. How about some reasoning, some thought, some _anything_ other than whether so-and-so is scum or not? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1244 "2012-04-15T17:52:56Z")
**vote blue pendant to Silver Jan** - because I don’t think she’s scummy, and after **Normal** s last several posts I think **Normal** is. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1245 "2012-04-15T17:56:26Z")
BTW I don’t suppose anyone’s willing to add up the current hp status of the group, huh? I’ve done my bit of homework, anyone else care to? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1246 "2012-04-15T18:09:01Z")
Choie, my dear, my sweet — it was a comment on how once Guiri put his seal of approval on the Astral bandwagon, all of sudden it was twice the size as previously. And most of those votes, not to mention the two previously, didn’t amount to much more than “oh yeah Astral, guess I’ll vote Astral”. It’s like uber-townie Guiri says it’s all right to vote Astral and it gives a bunch of other players cover to do the same. You mean to tell me not one of the four of you has the slightest interest in anyone else who’s gotten votes? No way. I’ve seen it happen before and I don’t like it. It’s entirely possible that Astral _is_ scum, mind you – some here may remember the Blaster Master wagon in Mystery Mafia, a full HALF of which were bussing scum – but the bandwagon as it stands is kinda not so good. My suspicion of Weedy and ToeJam in particular has increased substantially, but really all of you. Who voted Astral on day one? ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1247 "2012-04-15T18:09:23Z")
i see **Astral** is up by a landslide. this triple-voter power has put us at an uncomfortable position. i see that he hasn’t claimed or did i miss that? after some thought i’ve decided that attacking Lord Phere is not a worthwhile endeavor. no matter what sick twists **Pizza** has for us, the fact remains that this game can be won by playing the game and lynching and/or killing scum. that means we don’t need to use our abilities, which includes attacking, to win. ergo, we don’t need to kill Lord Phere. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1248 "2012-04-15T18:22:06Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Gadarene** , dude, I think you’re Town, but you’re not helping your own case with these one-line, “she’s scum” “He’s not scum” posts. How about some reasoning, some thought, some _anything_ other than whether so-and-so is scum or not? I think NAF is probably scum because abstaining the way he did is a pro-scum way to gain a level without having to account for your vote or participate at all. I also base my evaluations of someone’s townieness on how engaged they seem in wanting to solve the game and how natural and free-flowing their thought process and insights seem. NAF has given us absolutely none of that. NAF is probably scum. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1249 "2012-04-15T18:24:24Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Choie, my dear, my sweet — it was a comment on how once Guiri put his seal of approval on the Astral bandwagon, all of sudden it was twice the size as previously. And most of those votes, not to mention the two previously, didn’t amount to much more than “oh yeah Astral, guess I’ll vote Astral”. It’s like uber-townie Guiri says it’s all right to vote Astral and it gives a bunch of other players cover to do the same. You mean to tell me not one of the four of you has the slightest interest in anyone else who’s gotten votes? No way. I’ve seen it happen before and I don’t like it. It’s entirely possible that Astral _is_ scum, mind you – some here may remember the Blaster Master wagon in Mystery Mafia, a full HALF of which were bussing scum – but the bandwagon as it stands is kinda not so good. My suspicion of Weedy and ToeJam in particular has increased substantially, but really all of you. > > Who voted Astral on day one? I don’t think Guiri is an uber-townie at all. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1250 "2012-04-15T18:24:50Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Choie, my dear, my sweet — it was a comment on how once Guiri put his seal of approval on the Astral bandwagon, all of sudden it was twice the size as previously. And most of those votes, not to mention the two previously, didn’t amount to much more than “oh yeah Astral, guess I’ll vote Astral”. Here’s what you sound like to me. “I’m not blaming **Guiri** for the **Astral** bandwagon. Only I totally am because everyone voted for **Astral** only 'cause **Guiri** said so.” The hilarious part of this is that you _know_ the only reason I voted **Astral** was because YOU, **Visorslash** and **gnarlycharlie** basically told me if I don’t join a bandwagon I’m not helping town, and I kind of see that, though it goes against the grain to vote someone I’m not at least 75% convinced is scummy, but I do see the pointlessness of going after **fubbles** while the rest of you have managed to convince everyone else he’s harmless. > [@](#): > > It’s like uber-townie Guiri says it’s all right to vote Astral and it gives a bunch of other players cover to do the same. You mean to tell me not one of the four of you has the slightest interest in anyone else who’s gotten votes? Holy cow are you rewriting history or what? _YOU_ voted **Astral** , then when you saw there were more votes on him, you were all “yay, that bandwagon’s safe, now I can vote for **PetW**.” Why were you so happy that there were more votes on **Astral** if you now don’t see him as scum? Fuck this noise. You can’t even keep your storyline straight. **Astral** had better be guilty or I am coming after you like God’s own thunder next round. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1251 "2012-04-15T18:27:13Z")
To sum up my reads: \>rand to be scum NAF1138 Suburban Plankton gnarlycharlie Visorslash (and I’m very skeptical of Guiri; not sure one way or the other about PetW anymore) \>rand to be town Silver Jan septimus Normal Phase choie Tanaer (and I would like to trust Weedy but can’t quite do it yet) I don’t know what to make of Astral. I distrust his wagon, and I feel his tone has been relatively townie, so I’m inclined to say he’s town. People should join me on a NAF or Suburban wagon, obviously. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1252 "2012-04-15T18:31:24Z")
emerald ring Visorslash by fubbleskag Suburban by self LightFoot by self choi by septimus ToeJam by self choie by self choie by Weedy choie by reality trip tanner by self gaderene SilverJan * * * pendant Suburban by self LightFoot by self gnarlie charlie by self BobArrgh by ToeJam Normal by Weedy Normal by reality trip Normal by septimus BobArrgh by Ttanner ## SilverJan self SilverJan BY choie sapphire ring fubbleskag by Visorslash fubbleskag by Astral Suburban by self LightFoot by self LightFoot by septimus BobArrgh by ToeJam Guiri by reality trip BobArrgh by tanner Normal SilverJan * * * Visorslash voted self “all items” probably not a valid PetW voted self for “Ring” probably not a valid Not gospel but it is what I have. by my tally choie would get the emerald ring, Normal would get the blue pendant, and there is a tie for the sapphire ring fubbles/LightFoot ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1253 "2012-04-15T18:33:47Z")
People working with fubbleskag make my teeth itch. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1254 "2012-04-15T18:36:27Z")
Hey folks…yesterday found me busy with 1001 things, and today I’m doing my taxes…so I may or may not get a change to review the last couple hundred posts today, but I will have more to say before Dusk… ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1255 "2012-04-15T18:37:09Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > To sum up my reads: > > \>rand to be scum > NAF1138 > Suburban Plankton > gnarlycharlie > Visorslash > (and I’m very skeptical of Guiri; not sure one way or the other about PetW anymore) Why **gnarlycharlie**? Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at a **Normal, gnarlycharlie, Visorslash** trinity of scum, but that’s only because I resent them for putting me in a crappy position and I know that’s illogical. (Though I’m sooo moving **Normal** to my #1 spot if **Astral** flips Town. She started this thing, not **Guiri** , and she’s fomenting dissent against **Guiri** to cast blame off her own good self. Total scummy behavior.) But what’s pinging you about **gnarlycharlie**? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1256 "2012-04-15T18:38:08Z")
You’re misreading me so badly, Choie; I just don’t get it. I am not in any way blaming Guiri. I am accusing those who came after him of voting only because Guiri had done so (whatever they actually said), because of Guiri’s reputation of knowing what he’s doing when it comes to scum-hunting. All _I_ want is productive bandwagons created for real reasons by people who are trying hard to find scum. That means, under the current circumstances (as of a few hours ago): examine the candidates for the lynch carefully and choose one or more who you wouldn’t mind seeing dead, then vote accordingly. Yet there has been almost no mention, and no votes, on anyone but Astral. You’d think many on or two of you all would have managed to place a vote on somebody else in there somewhere if you were all actually scumhunting. One or two of all of you might have found Weedy to be truly more scummy, or MHaye, or PetW, or whoever, and said as much. Even – and here’s the thing – even if they did ultimately decide to vote for Astral instead due to the extra-vote issue. You actually did do this, semantic arguments over whether voting for a believed third party is actually voting for someone who is scummy aside, but you’re the only one. Look at all those votes, choie, the other three after Guiri and even the two before Guiri, and tell me which of them have actually done due diligence in scumhunting today. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1257 "2012-04-15T18:38:20Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Hey folks…yesterday found me busy with 1001 things, and today I’m doing my taxes…so I may or may not get a change to review the last couple hundred posts today, but I will have more to say before Dusk… Why are you still voting me, Suburban? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1258 "2012-04-15T18:40:05Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Why **gnarlycharlie**? Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at a **Normal, gnarlycharlie, Visorslash** trinity of scum, but that’s only because I resent them for putting me in a crappy position and I know that’s illogical. (Though I’m sooo moving **Normal** to my #1 spot if **Astral** flips Town. She started this thing, not **Guiri** , and she’s fomenting dissent against **Guiri** to cast blame off her own good self. Total scummy behavior.) Bullshit, choie. No offense, but bullshit. Take a break and look at it again. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1259 "2012-04-15T18:40:40Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Why **gnarlycharlie**? Personally I wouldn’t be surprised at a **Normal, gnarlycharlie, Visorslash** trinity of scum, but that’s only because I resent them for putting me in a crappy position and I know that’s illogical. (Though I’m sooo moving **Normal** to my #1 spot if **Astral** flips Town. She started this thing, not **Guiri** , and she’s fomenting dissent against **Guiri** to cast blame off her own good self. Total scummy behavior.) > > But what’s pinging you about **gnarlycharlie**? I answered this earlier. I haven’t seen any real reads from him; he seems to be in commentary mode. It doesn’t feel like he’s actually trying to figure out who the scum are. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1260 "2012-04-15T18:41:18Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i see **Astral** is up by a landslide. this triple-voter power has put us at an uncomfortable position. i see that he hasn’t claimed or did i miss that? You missed it; he claimed soldier during the night. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=64)