# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1321 "2012-04-16T05:26:01Z")
I’m town. Whew! How embarrassing! I guess you guys can unvote me now that I’ve claimed town! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1322 "2012-04-16T06:42:24Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I’m town. > > Whew! How embarrassing! I guess you guys can unvote me now that I’ve claimed town! > > 😃 No we can’t,\*\* BobArrgh\*\* will think we’re scum if we do. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1323 "2012-04-16T06:54:01Z")
I tend to agree with\*\* Normal\*\* about\*\* Astrals\*\* farewell post, it does seem contrived and flat.\*\* Gaderene\*\* has been fighting tooth and nail to stay alive and **Astral** has really just said that maybe his death would be good for Town. I think **Astral** is probably telling the truth when he says he’s an Archer but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t scum. It would have looked pretty funny if he’d said he was a submariner 🙂 I also agree that there is at least one scum on that\*\* Astrals\*\* wagon. I still don’t know if I want to attack anyone toDay and time is running out. I would hate to kill a Townie by default because I don’t know what others are going to do. Maybe it would be best if I attacked\*\* Lord Phere\*\* because I know he takes damage??? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1324 "2012-04-16T06:59:51Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Maybe it would be best if I attacked\*\* Lord Phere\*\* because I know he takes damage??? * * * “So we can change your name to Silver Jam? I bet you taste good on toast.” _ **-IC-** _ * * * ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1325 "2012-04-16T07:05:36Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I tend to agree with\*\* Normal\*\* about\*\* Astrals\*\* farewell post, it does seem contrived and flat.\*\* Gaderene\*\* has been fighting tooth and nail to stay alive and **Astral** has really just said that maybe his death would be good for Town. I think **Astral** is probably telling the truth when he says he’s an Archer but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t scum. It would have looked pretty funny if he’d said he was a submariner 🙂 I also agree that there is at least one scum on that\*\* Astrals\*\* wagon. > > I still don’t know if I want to attack anyone toDay and time is running out. I would hate to kill a Townie by default because I don’t know what others are going to do. Maybe it would be best if I attacked\*\* Lord Phere\*\* because I know he takes damage??? Silver Jan, I would be happy to join you and any others if we can make a run for that beast. My sword arm is just itching seeing that evil monstrosity standing over there and doing nothing about it. I would be even happier if any mages were to blast it with light. ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1326 "2012-04-16T07:07:35Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Silver Jan, I would be happy to join you and any others if we can make a run for that beast. My sword arm is just itching seeing that evil monstrosity standing over there and doing nothing about it. I would be even happier if any mages were to blast it with light. Speaking of which, did anyone get a good look at what that summoner had in their hands? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1327 "2012-04-16T07:07:44Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Silver Jan, I would be happy to join you and any others if we can make a run for that beast. My sword arm is just itching seeing that evil monstrosity standing over there and doing nothing about it. I would be even happier if any mages were to blast it with light. \*\*\*“You puny maggots couldn’t blast a dry leaf with a lit fart.” _ **-IC-** _ * * * ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1328 "2012-04-16T07:12:50Z")
It’s all about might with you, isn’t it? You wouldn’t know finesse if it danced a jig in front of you. Intellect and skill count for something in this world. But you won’t last long enough to know. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1329 "2012-04-16T07:15:47Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > It’s all about might with you, isn’t it? You wouldn’t know finesse if it danced a jig in front of you. Intellect and skill count for something in this world. But you won’t last long enough to know. _ **“Your skill and intellect are equally puny. That’s why you’re maggots, not dwarfs.”** _ -IC- ---
**Author:** ![Tanaer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tanaer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tanaer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1330 "2012-04-16T07:19:46Z")
And yet I’m not squirming. And it was one of those puny maggots who imprisoned you, I believe. I’ll wager you have a diamond there, something given to our dear old king? A channel for that summoner? Did that light hurt your poor demony badness? Maggot or not, I aim to be Phereless. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1331 "2012-04-16T07:32:34Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > And yet I’m not squirming. _ **“Remember: when they’re done squirming, that means they’re dead.”** _ > [@](#): > > And it was one of those puny maggots who imprisoned you, I believe. _ **“Try to wrap your worm brain around the fact that I’ve removed all of you from the rest of your universe. The so-called “prisoner” holds all the keys, and none of you are going anywhere, least of all that pathetic wretch. GWAR HAR HAR HAR!!!”** _ > [@](#): > > Maggot or not, I aim to be Phereless. _ **“feckless… brainless… and soon to be, lifeless. So many adjectives, so little time!”** _ -IC- ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1332 "2012-04-16T07:43:04Z")
As others seem to agree, **Astral** is likely to be Town … or an excellent actor. > [@BobArrgh](#): > > I think the triple votes on **Astral** were a smoke screen. I think the votes were placed on him and then removed to make him look really scummy. It appears to have worked … > > I fully anticipate that the 2 or 3 Scum I believe currently have their votes on **Astral** are going to jump off the wagon and save him, knowing full well that if he does not get lynched toDay, then he will be the #1 bandwagon toMorrow. > > I don’t think that it was a “Poisoning the Well” kind of statement. If someone wants to jump off a bandwagon, let him or her do so. However, I would expect them to have a really good case against the person for whom they switched their vote. So, Astral is probably Town, but those who Unvote him now are probably Scum. Got it. I don’t have a “really good case” on anyone right now, even **Astral**. I asked Townies to spend our (suddenly!) extra 24 hours to “start another wagon;” i.e. to identify a real Scum and avoid a likely misLynch. Sincere Townish help from me, but poorly phrased. I’ll be on the Lynching block soon. What else is new? :dubious: For various reasons, but especially for “having his cake and eating too” – trying to Lynch Astral while letting us know Astral is Town: **Unvote: Astral Rejection Vote: BobArrgh** ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1333 "2012-04-16T07:46:53Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Silver Jan, I would be happy to join you and any others if we can make a run for that beast. My sword arm is just itching seeing that evil monstrosity standing over there and doing nothing about it. I would be even happier if any mages were to blast it with light. Now that I have stopped laughing, let’s go for it 🙂 Silver Jam? I don’t really fancy being on toast but thanks for the offer 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1334 "2012-04-16T07:56:31Z")
_ **"Did anyone else feel that butterfly flapping its wings… about nine dimensions in that direction?"** _ -IC- ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1335 "2012-04-16T10:22:56Z")
Sorry everyone - work has been stomping all over me and I was away this weekend again ☹ I tried to keep up reading on my phone, but I didn’t even manage that. Gonna try catch up again now - if things don’t improve for me this week I’ll look for a sub. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1336 "2012-04-16T10:47:54Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I feel like he should have a lot more to say if he’s reading through the thread than discussing item votes (which he still doesnt vote) and Gadarene’s legal experience. He’s reading closely enough to keep track of votes, but is just touching lightly on a few issues in commentary. At the point I made my last post I was up to post 900. That means I have over 400 posts still to reread; a lot of things you think I should have commented on are probably in those 400 posts. For example, why vote on the items when I don’t know the vote status for those items yet? The only developing issue I didn’t comment on was the votes on PetW, and that was because at 2am I wanted to get to bed. I’ll get to it eventually. Anything else in the posts to 900 you think I should have commented on? ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1337 "2012-04-16T11:40:53Z")
Septimus, you could come vote MHaye with me if you want a different wagon. MHaye: well, anything. I just expect more from someone keeping such detailed notes. Maybe some ideas of your own about someone who hasn’t been discussed, or something different to say. There are so many people, mechanics, things going on. It doesn’t seem to me that you have a lot of ideas about the game, and I find that Scummy from someone who is doing so much reading. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1338 "2012-04-16T11:41:09Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > so.. you just show up and choose 2 of my comments to focus on other than some of the other things that have transpired? > both on the same subject and something you say you agree with? .. colour me confused here…I said the same thing twice? 'cause that’s how I feel maybe? No I meant that you restated two different things by other people twice, so that it looked like you were contributing but instead only rehashing things. Although I admit I’m hardly in a position to throw stones about contributing right now. > [@Visorslash](#): > > Unless Fubbles has a merchant role of some kind, he isn’t third party. > > The neutral alignment is either town wins and you survive, or you have the most money as a neutral. > > And even a Merchant role wouldn’t be anti town as third party, so I don’t know why you are pursuing it. > > Considering Gad said it was third party when I know for a fact it isn’t, and I’m surprised no one else came out and said it, but it isn’t, and Gad pushing that as third party seems like he is trying to push a lynch onto Fubbles, if you can’t see that. I don’t think I saw an explanation for this anywhere, how do you know all this exactly? > [@Tanaer](#): > > Nobody’s screaming scumminess at me at the moment, but an abstain/present won’t help anyone - except maybe scum. I’m not into Gadarene as a lynch candidate at all. So, since there were was that big vote save that benefited Astral as well, and his unusual fake-eod behaviour.. Guiri made a bunch of interesting points too, so > > vote Astral Rejection > > I won’t be around at EOD to see how all this goes. I hope I’m doing the right thing here! This vote is uber weak - are people not even trying to justify their votes any more? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1339 "2012-04-16T11:58:20Z")
> [@Tanaer](#): > > Nobody’s screaming scumminess at me at the moment, but an abstain/present won’t help anyone - except maybe scum. I’m not into Gadarene as a lynch candidate at all. So, since there were was that big vote save that benefited Astral as well, and his unusual fake-eod behaviour.. Guiri made a bunch of interesting points too, so > > **vote Astral Rejection** > > I won’t be around at EOD to see how all this goes. I hope I’m doing the right thing here! Ok, the weak vote from Tanaer kind of pinged me. A vote that you don’t believe in won’t help anyone either, the last sentence in particular is very distancing. > [@Tanaer](#): > > I wonder whether dear Lord Phere is Fire > perhaps a drenching might curtail his pyre? > [@Tanaer](#): > > I want to draw your attention to what happened when Lord Phere was summoned. It appears light, and perhaps (by inference) light magic may damage the demon lord. > > Certainly finding and lynching the summoner will hopefully deal with the demon, but if we damage the beast itself, perhaps it will not be able to hurt us quite so much? > [@Tanaer](#): > > Speaking of which, did anyone get a good look at what that summoner had in their hands? Very focused on colour, with little focus on actual players. Has yet to express actual suspicion of anyone except Weedy, but even that was in a very half-hearted way. > [@Tanaer](#): > > I can’t tell with Weedy. She’s a way more experienced player than I am. She’s reminding me sometimes of how she was in the other game I played, where she was scum, but she was flustered then due to out of game conditions, and she has reason to be so at the moment too. So.. I don’t know which way to go. I’ll just have to watch her closely. \*\* vote Tanaer \*\* I don’t really love the Astral case - I thought his “swansong” post was pretty townie. I’m aware that with the triple voting shenanigans we need a majority on a player, but the idea of voting someone I don’t think is really scummy is very grating. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1340 "2012-04-16T12:22:50Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Septimus, you could come vote MHaye with me if you want a different wagon. > > MHaye: … It doesn’t seem to me that you have a lot of ideas about the game, and I find that Scummy from someone who is doing so much reading. I get very strong Scum vibes from **BobArrgh** and certainly won’t move the vote to someone I don’t have a Scum read on. I spent much time searching for the relevant posts to try to understand Normal’s case against MHaye, but it was inconclusive. If someone has a Cliff Notes version of _Why MHaye is Scum_, I’ll read it and consider. What we really need is software that learns to recognize, player vs player, the difference between Scum and Town styles. The tell you find against MHaye – can’t discern Scum despite much effort – might be one of my own Scum tells. When I was Scum recently I had great trouble making cases: All the Townies seemed so Townie! :smack: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=68)