# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/121 "2012-04-06T17:08:22Z")
Good Citizens, My own personal thoughts about what sort of Trickery there may be in this Town. Do we know the Demon Lord’s Alignment? I know a vote for him is a No Lynch, and I do not advocate that at this junction. But what does the Demon Lord’s alignment? I hardly think it’s a Good one, or one in the Town’s interest. I wonder if our Heavenly Father, the Wise Mod above, has sent down a twist in this fair Town: The DemonLord may count against the Town- unless he is dealt with in an… alternative way than being Lynched (since it appears a No Lynch would be done rather than his own). What thoughts on this? I wonder if perhaps the Demon has a high HP total, and is still able to be removed from this Town… and if as long as he lives, we will never be able to save our Town? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/122 "2012-04-06T17:11:53Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This game looks like it’s going to be amazing. > > **Vote Astral Rejection** , for starters. I agree with Guiri about Astral’s opening post. This reeks of “me too” can you make a case yourself? I mean, I read \*\* Astral’s \*\* response and it does make sense as just the set up for the joke ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/123 "2012-04-06T17:12:21Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > “Grown!?! If this is as large as you grow, then one wonders why you pathetic insects bother speaking at all. After I crush you and rip out your throat, you needn’t bother polluting the air with the annoying high-pitched whine of your tiny vocal cords.” This Demonlord has been Graped by the Grapist! So Demon. What use are you to us? Will you be voting today? Be you Mortal in this Realm? Does Doth have any thing of use to contribute? :pokes the Demonlord with a pointy stick: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/124 "2012-04-06T17:15:19Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > On the other hand, I’m perfectly happy lynching Mahaloth on the first day as a general rule so who am I to talk. Yes, let’s kill that bastard early. Ahem, my actual vote is not for Mahaloth, but for: **Vote Visorslash** ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/125 "2012-04-06T17:15:45Z")
> [@glee](#): > > I declare I am a Soldier and have a Blue Pendant. > Does anyone know what it does? > > I understand that I can increase my level if I vote (even if I unvote later.) > Therefore I begin with: > > Vote NAF1138\* > > and continue > > Unvote NAF1138 > > \*I have no reason to choose him, except we’ve talked here in the past. > > For your amusement: I have had a dream from the night that I have been in towns a couple of times before. I have always been honourable and I have always been lynched. :eek: Not sure what to make of this at all ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/126 "2012-04-06T17:21:58Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > \*\* > Vote Gadarene \*\* - for what appears to be an opportunistic and quick AR vote, one that seems even more confident than the initial vote against him. > [@LightFoot](#): > > This reeks of “me too” can you make a case yourself? > > I mean, I read \*\* Astral’s \*\* response and it does make sense as just the set up for the joke I explained my vote more fully earlier this page. If you disagree, we can talk about it, but it’s inaccurate at this point to say that I just threw in a “me too” and didn’t support it with anything. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/127 "2012-04-06T17:23:02Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Your tone sounded forced. > > It sounded like you were thinking about how to enter the thread. > > I think you’re much more likely to be self-conscious about your entry as a wolf than as a villa – sorry, as a scum than as a townie. > > That’s the basis for my read. For Toejam and Lightfoot. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/128 "2012-04-06T17:23:17Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Not sure what to make of this at all Fair Confused but **Swift Maiden of Light** , Glee states he is a soldier as his job/class. He just voted for \*\*Naf \*\*to gain the Level of experience point and states his vote is merely a vote for that reason and not one of suspicion. And I believe he is trying to take away his vote as well, but I’m not sure if he was successful. It would make an excellent way to hide a vote if there were no such things as Unvotes, or if he never properly unvotes. Or are you trying to examine the hidden actions beneath the words? That I cannot as easily help you find the answers you seek. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/129 "2012-04-06T17:29:15Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > For Toejam and Lightfoot. 1. What did you make of the other Cheesy puns being made by other players then? 2. How do you feel that you can get a read on **Astral** ’s Self-conciousness? Can you go through and point it out:dubious: Because that’s a new one to me. 3. What about the whole **Guir** i’s voting, but then her reasoning on how she’s not as sure of his Scummitude. -Did that affect your thoughts of **Astral** ’s scumminess, since you did use it as your reasoning for voting for him? Or do you still feel \*\*Astral \*\*is the scummiest one here? -How about your thoughts on the OMGUS votes, and the other “Joke” votes. Do you feel they have equal merit- because I personally- saw the Gouda joke as just that- a rip-off of my own Gouda joke- Obviously you’re reading a bit more into **Astral** ’s psychological status than I am, but I don’t know the guy. So please, elaboration, good sir. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/130 "2012-04-06T17:30:30Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Fair Confused but **Swift Maiden of Light** , > Glee states he is a soldier as his job/class. > He just voted for \*\*Naf \*\*to gain the Level of experience point and states his vote is merely a vote for that reason and not one of suspicion. And I believe he is trying to take away his vote as well, but I’m not sure if he was successful. > > It would make an excellent way to hide a vote if there were no such things as Unvotes, or if he never properly unvotes. > > Or are you trying to examine the hidden actions beneath the words? That I cannot as easily help you find the answers you seek. Primarily I see not the motivation for sharing such words. it’s " 'ello, here’s a partial claim-bye" ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/131 "2012-04-06T17:52:18Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > My Good Sir **Glee** , you need to put your unvotes in Red in order to do so. Actually, Hmmm… I’m not sure if that’s the rule (Because \*\*Mosier \*\*didn’t unvote before his vote on **VS** ). > \*\*[COLOR=“DarkGreen”] I have only made one vote. There was nothing for me to unvote for. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/132 "2012-04-06T17:53:36Z")
> [@PetW](#): > > Can you please explain your reasoning for taking such an antagonistic stance immediately? If you are town, how would that help you/the rest of us? I agree with this, especially his “My cup of care is empty.” **Vote: Visorslash** But I’ve not really concluded Visor is Scum; I just want to make sure I place some vote. (Storm knocked my Internet out for many hours yesterday, and storm continues.) > [@glee](#): > > I declare I am a Soldier and have a Blue Pendant. > Does anyone know what it does? I also have a special object with unknown use. (I’d mention that it’s black but then **choie** would never Unvote me. :smack: ) I’d offer to trade, but am afraid a trade would leave me even confuseder. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/133 "2012-04-06T17:55:03Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > On an unrelated note, vote: Visorslash, because I find Suburban Plankton’s argument about you sort of convincing. Err…thanks for the vote of confidence, but which argument of mine are you referring to? I don’t recall ever saying he was Scummy, just annoying. That’s not even remotely close to being the same thing. I never made an ‘argument’ of any kind. If you think \*\*Visorslash \*\*is Scum because of the way he’s posted so far, that’s fine; go ahead and vote for him, but please don’t snuggle up to me while doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/134 "2012-04-06T17:55:19Z")
Guiri is a boy. I interpreted the color regarding the conversion of King ATPG to the demonlord as saying there’s a player among us who can create a demonlord. If we kill that player, the spell will be broken, the demonlord will be destroyed and King ATPG will return. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/135 "2012-04-06T17:58:52Z")
All the votes for visorslash strike me as nothing more than xenophobia. Actions you don’t understand or agree with are not automatically scummy and as far as I can see, this is just creating an easy wagon from scum to hop on and force a mislynch. (If visor is town, of course.) The cup of care line was clearly a response to Normal’s statement about not defending him again. I don’t see what septimus finds so alarming about it. Looks like banter to me. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/136 "2012-04-06T18:01:20Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Good Citizens, > My own personal thoughts about what sort of Trickery there may be in this Town. > > Do we know the Demon Lord’s Alignment? > I know a vote for him is a No Lynch, and I do not advocate that at this junction. > But what does the Demon Lord’s alignment? I hardly think it’s a Good one, or one in the Town’s interest. > > I wonder if our Heavenly Father, the Wise Mod above, has sent down a twist in this fair Town: The DemonLord may count against the Town- unless he is dealt with in an… alternative way than being Lynched (since it appears a No Lynch would be done rather than his own). > > What thoughts on this? I wonder if perhaps the Demon has a high HP total, and is still able to be removed from this Town… and if as long as he lives, we will never be able to save our Town? :dubious: I like the way you think. You may well be completely, absolutely, and utterly mistaken…but I like the process… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/137 "2012-04-06T18:40:23Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > 1. What did you make of the other Cheesy puns being made by other players then? > 2. How do you feel that you can get a read on **Astral** ’s Self-conciousness? Can you go through and point it out:dubious: Because that’s a new one to me. > 3. What about the whole **Guir** i’s voting, but then her reasoning on how she’s not as sure of his Scummitude. > -Did that affect your thoughts of **Astral** ’s scumminess, since you did use it as your reasoning for voting for him? Or do you still feel \*\*Astral \*\*is the scummiest one here? > -How about your thoughts on the OMGUS votes, and the other “Joke” votes. Do you feel they have equal merit- because I personally- saw the Gouda joke as just that- a rip-off of my own Gouda joke- Obviously you’re reading a bit more into **Astral** ’s psychological status than I am, but I don’t know the guy. > > So please, elaboration, good sir. 1. Astral’s came late and seemed more self-conscious about entering into the flow of the thread. It seemed like he thought about how to construct his opening post before making it. 2. I’ve caught multiple scum in prior games based on how forced their opening post sounded. 3. I thought Guiri’s explanation of his Astral vote was sound. Guiri’s confidence level does not affect my confidence level. In any event, all Day One reads are necessarily based on the most limited amount of information, so my confidence level is not strong beyond thinking that Astral is more likely than rand to be scum. 4. I haven’t voted anyone for OMGUS votes or joke votes. If you have a specific post that you want to direct me to so I can provide my take on it, I’d be happy to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/138 "2012-04-06T19:25:12Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > All the votes for visorslash strike me as nothing more than xenophobia. Actions you don’t understand or agree with are not automatically scummy and as far as I can see, this is just creating an easy wagon from scum to hop on and force a mislynch. (If visor is town, of course.) > > The cup of care line was clearly a response to Normal’s statement about not defending him again. I don’t see what septimus finds so alarming about it. Looks like banter to me. My vote for\*\* visorslash\*\* was in no way xenophobic! I don’t do xenophobia, I come from Africa!! Well I might under different circumstances 🙂 I was quite surprised at other people voting for him. I placed a Day 1 vote that had no legs and now it looks as if it has sprouted some. I was going to change my vote to\*\* Normal\*\* for defending\*\* Visorslash\*\* and then I see more votes on him with no explanations, something for me to look at. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/139 "2012-04-06T19:25:45Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Do you still think it’s content-free opportunism, Normal? There’s nothing to debate about content-free; all you said was you agree with Guiri, full stop, and later expansion on your reasoning doesn’t change it. Whether it’s opportunism or not remains speculation. For what it’s worth I do think you put your reasoning in a more convincing way than Guiri did originally. Or maybe that’s just me being gullible. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/140 "2012-04-06T19:30:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, let’s kill that bastard early. > > Ahem, my actual vote is not for Mahaloth, but for: > > **Vote Visorslash** Why are you voting for\*\* Visorslash\*\*? At least I had a reason, even if it wasn’t a great one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=8)