# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1401 "2012-04-16T18:05:33Z")
OK now I’m remembering why SP was firmly not on my list of players of interest. This one looks quite convincingly townie, too. (And Septimus, there’s your mention. 😛 ) > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’ve just managed to catch up with the game; it was an unexpectedly busy week at work, and we wound up adopting a new dog today, so that’s taken most of my time. > > I’m still not at all impressed with the votes on **Visorslash**. As far as I can tell they are all based on personality rather than gameplay. I can’t say that I agree with the votes on \*\*Gadarene \*\*either, but at least it seems they are primarily motivated by his play in-game. If someone could actually summarize the case on Gad, I’d appreciate it. > > The people who are pinging me most at this point are: > > **glee** , whose main contribution to the Day seems to have been to vote and unvote \*\*NAF1138 \*\*twice. > > **Mosier** for the way he ‘agreed with me’ in the post where he made his vote on Visorslash, and the fact that he hasn’t addressed the issue despite two people questioning him about it. > > **septimus** , who voted Visorslash saying “But I’ve not really concluded Visor is Scum; I just want to make sure I place some vote”, then tried to retcon his way into it being an “anti-Town behavior” vote. > > **vote Mosier** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1402 "2012-04-16T18:08:19Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > So “people”, presumably and by all past evidence including townies, tend to lock on to a suspect and suffer subsequently from confirmation bias. I happen to agree; it happens. > > And yet this is evidence that: > > So you’ve JUST said that this is something people do in mafia, something that bugs you and obviously not something you see as a scum tell per se. And yet a couple sentences later you are using it as evidence that I am dishonest. > > Look at my original “omg astral’s scum” post and tell me again I’m working backwards, by the way. Tell me that was not honest. > > And then you can answer my question about which of your defenders and unvoters might be scummy, if you’re so moved. I note you make no effort to dispute that “defending myself” and “suggesting caution and discussion regarding Gadarene after my death” aren’t inherently scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1403 "2012-04-16T18:16:47Z")
Something that’s perhaps gotten lost in all of the recent discussion is the distribution of items from our recently departed. As it stands now: **Normal Phase** will receive the Blue Pendant that was **glee’s** \*\*LightFoot \*\*will receive the Sapphire Ring that was **Inner Stickler’s** \*\*choie \*\*will receive the Emerald Ring that was **Mosier’s** I don’t have any particular issues with any of these choices, but then again I’m not terribly concerned with the items at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1404 "2012-04-16T18:21:47Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK going through SP’s posts real quick and came across this one: > > I’d consider this one a town tell if anything, Gadarene. Will continue, though I may run out of time here. I disagree. Suburban is perfectly capable of having a Townie tone in either role; he’s a good player. But what he’s saying about me and how he’s justifying his continued vote on me MAKES NO SENSE, and you know what? Suburban is a good player. His logic not holding together is a scum tell. Whatever; you guys do what you want to do. The lack of focus and participation is really disheartening. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1405 "2012-04-16T18:21:57Z")
I’ve expressed myself. But I’d rather work toward an Astral Lynch than give complete control to the (probably Scum?) triple voter. **Unvote: Suburban Plankton** **Vote: Astral Rejection** If Lurkers were waiting till last minute to join a better wagon, sorry. Some of us have bedtimes. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1406 "2012-04-16T18:29:24Z")
Sigh. Thanks, septimus. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1407 "2012-04-16T18:32:13Z")
I’ve had to speed up a lot to ensure I get through all the Day 2 posts before Dusk But, _en passsant_: - > [@Tanaer](#): > > our items show our elemental bent > and thus how best to double damage sent I really doubt this. Firstly the hue of my item doesn’t match my alignment, and secondly it’s a Day action to change alignment - just PM ATPG and he’ll do it for you no questions asked. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1408 "2012-04-16T18:36:30Z")
Who has the most votes for the blue pendant after Normal Phase? I want to vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1409 "2012-04-16T18:45:06Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Because Suburban is voting me for my “magic bag,” yet my informant has contacted him and corroborated what I said about my hearing about this win condition from him. And Suburban hasn’t acknowledged that at all or bothered to change his vote, despite me being functionally the lead wagon. > > That’s why Suburban is likely scum, and I’ll probably vote him when I get home. Gad, I may have already said this, but I half-believe your correspondent is lying to you, and using you as a stalking-horse to disseminate falsehoods. I assume that they told you they’d told SP. What if they haven’t? They’ve created a feud between you and SP. Here’s an offer. Tell me privately who it is, and I’ll review them either Today or Tonight. If I believe they are Town, I’ll keep their name confidential; if they come up smelling Mafiate, I’ll out them. Deal? Let me know. ---
**Author:** ![BobArrgh](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobarrgh/32/2881_2.png) [@BobArrgh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobArrgh)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1410 "2012-04-16T18:45:09Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Bob, what is your opinion of Astral and what had it been prior to the big bandwagon? I asked you that yesterday; you may have missed it. Trying to catch up; I really, really don’t have time. I am working on a web site that will be launched on Wednesday, complete with fanfare on the Today Show, and I have been flat-out all day long. I’ve gotten this far in the thread, but probably won’t get much further. Personally, I think **Astral** is Town because A) I thought his “Day is Ending in 8 minutes!” post was made in isolation (meaning, no outside influence from ScumBuddies); and B) I think his Last Will and Testament rings true. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1411 "2012-04-16T18:53:28Z")
I’m sorry for not being more vocal today, though I think all my posts last night/this morning should count double. 🙂 Also I’m having a really weird experience trying to order a gift basket for a friend. After ordering the basket, I discover the florists’ number doesn’t work, the town’s chamber of commerce doesn’t answer… very scummy indeed. Anyway. I’m still suspicious as hell at **Normal** ’s behavior at having started the bandwagon Today on **Astral** , then jumping off, and berating the rest of us for being on it. I agree completely with **Astral** about this “everything you say will be used against you, no matter which response you give” thing. I ran nto this with her in previous games and it is annoying as hell. BUT she’s been town at least once with that same attitude, so as frustrating as it is, it’s not a scum tell on her. However, since the only reason I was voting **Astral** was basically to be a good little Townie and do as mommy told me to do, only to see mommy do the opposite (“do as I say, not as I do!”), it’s time for this kid to go through her rebellious phase. **unvote Astral** **vote Normal Phase** Not because of her “AHA Gotcha!” posting style no matter what **Astral** says, but because her bulldozing of the rest of us yesterday seemed aimed at getting **Astral** lynched and her jumping off the bandwagon seemed aimed at making _her_ look good if/when **Astral** flips town. Since I’ve been scolded for voting for **fubbles** and told there’s no way he’ll ever get lynched, fine. I’m going back to voting my conscience, though. So as **Normal** is second on my list of scumminess, she’s up at bat. BTW, I _literally_ have no idea what the votes are right now, and it’s time for someone else to do the math, so whoever that someone is, please have at it! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1412 "2012-04-16T18:53:42Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Gad, I may have already said this, but I half-believe your correspondent is lying to you, and using you as a stalking-horse to disseminate falsehoods. I assume that they told you they’d told SP. What if they haven’t? They’ve created a feud between you and SP. > > Here’s an offer. Tell me privately who it is, and I’ll review them either Today or Tonight. If I believe they are Town, I’ll keep their name confidential; if they come up smelling Mafiate, I’ll out them. > > Deal? > > Let me know. Whether or not my correspondent is being fully truthful with me has no bearing on whether or not I was being fully truthful in the thread. Suburban himself has stated that my correspondent corroborated what I said in thread, so to the extent that my correspondent is hiding anything, he’s hiding it consistently and is specifically _not_ playing Suburban and I off of each other. Regardless, I’m fairly sure that my correspondent will now contact you, so you can judge for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1413 "2012-04-16T18:58:09Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Who has the most votes for the blue pendant after Normal Phase? I want to vote for them. Actually, upon further review it looks like **Silver Jan** and **Normal Phase** are tied with 3 votes for the Pendant. I have the item voting as: **Pendant** BobArrgh (1): [del]BobArrgh (764-876)[/del], ToeJam (901), Tanaer (1224-1347) Suburban Plankton (1): Suburban Plankton (813) LightFoot (1): LightFoot (851) gnarlycharlie (1): septimus (870-1222), gnarlycharlie (886) Normal Phase (3): Weedy (1034), [del]realitytrip (1181-1303)[/del], septimus (1222), Normal Phase (1265) Silver Jan (3): Silver Jan (1226), choie (1244), realitytrip (1303) **Sapphire** fubbleskag (1): Astral Rejection (804) Suburban Plankton (1): Suburban Plankton (813) LightFoot (3): LightFoot (851), septimus (870), Normal Phase (1265) BobArrgh (1): ToeJam (901), [del]Tanaer (1224-1347)[/del] Guiri (1): realitytrip (1181) Normal Phase (1): Silver Jan (1226) **Emerald** fubbleskag (1): Visorslash (777) Visorslash (1): fubbleskag (779) Suburban Plankton (1): Suburban Plankton (813) LightFoot (1): LightFoot (851) choie (5): septimus (870), choie (916), Weedy (1034), realitytrip (1181), Normal Phase (1265) ToeJam (1): ToeJam (901) Tanaer (1): Tanaer (1224) Gadarene (1): Silver Jan (1226) And yes, I do spend far more time making spreadsheets for these games than is healthy. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1414 "2012-04-16T19:04:53Z")
**Blue pendant to Silver Jan.** Thanks, Suburban. And, now that Normal Phase has a vote and could possibly get lynched (an Astral can dream), I’m going to: **unvote Vote Normal Phase** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1415 "2012-04-16T19:06:36Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I’m sorry for not being more vocal today, though I think all my posts last night/this morning should count double. 🙂 Also I’m having a really weird experience trying to order a gift basket for a friend. After ordering the basket, I discover the florists’ number doesn’t work, the town’s chamber of commerce doesn’t answer… very scummy indeed. > > Anyway. I’m still suspicious as hell at **Normal** ’s behavior at having started the bandwagon Today on **Astral** , then jumping off, and berating the rest of us for being on it. I agree completely with **Astral** about this “everything you say will be used against you, no matter which response you give” thing. I ran nto this with her in previous games and it is annoying as hell. BUT she’s been town at least once with that same attitude, so as frustrating as it is, it’s not a scum tell on her. > > However, since the only reason I was voting **Astral** was basically to be a good little Townie and do as mommy told me to do, only to see mommy do the opposite (“do as I say, not as I do!”), it’s time for this kid to go through her rebellious phase. > > **unvote Astral** > **vote Normal Phase** > > Not because of her “AHA Gotcha!” posting style no matter what **Astral** says, but because her bulldozing of the rest of us yesterday seemed aimed at getting **Astral** lynched and her jumping off the bandwagon seemed aimed at making _her_ look good if/when **Astral** flips town. Since I’ve been scolded for voting for **fubbles** and told there’s no way he’ll ever get lynched, fine. I’m going back to voting my conscience, though. So as **Normal** is second on my list of scumminess, she’s up at bat. > > BTW, I _literally_ have no idea what the votes are right now, and it’s time for someone else to do the math, so whoever that someone is, please have at it! Translation: I didn’t really \*want \*to vote for **Astral** , but \*\*Normal \*\*(and a bunch of other people) made me do it. So now I’m going to stand on my own two feet and vote the way _I_ want to vote…except I’m not actually going to do that…instead I’m going to vote for Normal because she made me do something I didn’t want to do. Oh, but i have \*\*\*no \*\*\*idea what the vote count is, so if I happen to cause a massive clusterfuck 2 hours before end of Day, it’s not my fault. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1416 "2012-04-16T19:12:32Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I think NAF is probably scum because abstaining the way he did is a pro-scum way to gain a level without having to account for your vote or participate at all. No; what it is is a null tell. HAF has explained his absence. I don’t believe he’d use project deadlines as an excuse to lurk. Voting just to level up is a null tell, because it ensures NAF’s side, whatever it is, isn’t disadvantaged by the loss of a chance to go up a level. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1417 "2012-04-16T19:14:32Z")
Oh, and **choie** , Your vote switch from \*\*Astral \*\*to \*\*Normal \*\*made the vote count Astral - 5 Gadarene - 3 Normal - 2 Weedy - 2 MHaye - 2 With Astral’s vote switch from \*\*MHaye \*\*to Normal, it’s now Astral - 5 Gadarene - 3 Normal - 3 Weedy - 2 Unofficially, of course, and not listing anyone with only 1 vote. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1418 "2012-04-16T19:16:00Z")
Suburban: your continuing to vote me is a joke. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1419 "2012-04-16T19:30:49Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Suburban himself has stated that my correspondent corroborated what I said in thread, so to the extent that my correspondent is hiding anything, he’s hiding it consistently and is specifically _not_ playing Suburban and I off of each other. Wjhen I get to that I’ll make a note. 🙂 > [@](#): > > Regardless, I’m fairly sure that my correspondent will now contact you, so you can judge for yourself. I’d welcome that, frankly. But perhaps you can PM me the name anyway. You know… just in case they don’t contact me. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1420 "2012-04-16T19:32:22Z")
I need one more vote on me, or somebody else needs several more votes. If the vote count is like this at the end of the day, I’ll vote myself. And that’s just sad, guys. It shouldn’t be this hard to pick a clear lynch that is safe from the 3-voter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=72)