# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1421 "2012-04-16T19:33:22Z")
NETA: at the end of the day, with an hour and a half to go. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1422 "2012-04-16T19:34:24Z")
Updated from choie’s last one: **Astral Rejection** (7) - [del] **Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy** [/del] (1027, [del]1197[/del]), **Normal Phase** [(1035, [del]1211[/del], 1368), **septimus** (1141, 1332, 1405), **Silver Jan** (1202), **Visorslash** (1203), **GuiriEnEspana** (1218), _ **Weedy** (1219)_ (added a for definite vote in 1317), [del] **choie** [/del] (1229, 1411), [del] **Tanaer** [/del] (1231, 1345), **ToeJam** (1234) **Gadarene** (2) - **Suburban Plankton** (813), [del] **Visorslash** [/del] (824, [del]1194[/del], 1200, [del]1203[/del]), **fubbleskag** (967) [del] **MHaye** [/del] (1281,1284) \*\* Normal Phase \*\* (3) - **realitytrip** (1303) (unbolded?), **choie** (1411) **Astral Rejection** (1414) **MHaye** (0) - [del] **Astral Rejection** [/del] (814, 1414), [del] **Normal Phase** [/del] (825, [del]838[/del], 904, [del]1035[/del]), [del]_ **Weedy** /del_ **Weedy** (2) - **Red Skeezix** (995), **gnarlycharlie** (1041) **Scathach** (1) - **LightFoot** (1139) **Suburban Plankton** (1) - **Gadarene** (1195,1344, 1362), [del] **Septimus** [/del] (1381, 1405) **PetW** (0) -[del] **Normal Phase** [/del] (838, [del]838[/del] 1211), [del] **Gadarene** [/del] (871, [del]1052[/del]), [del] **gnarlycharlie** [/del] (886, [del]1024[/del]), [del] **Silver Jan** [/del] (902, [del]1038[/del]), [del] **Red Skeezix** [/del] (964, [del]995[/del]) **choie** (1) - [del] **Visorslash** [/del] (1194, [del]1200[/del]), **Tanaer** (1345) **fubbleskag** (0) - [del] **choie** [/del] (811, [del]1229[/del]), [del] **ToeJam** [/del] (977, [del]1234[/del]) **GuiriEnEspana** (0) - [del] **Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy, Askthepizzaguy** [/del] (955, [del]1027[/del]) **septimus** (0) - [del] **ToeJam** [/del] (932, [del]977[/del]) **Visorslash** (0) - [del] **Gadarene** [/del] (1052, [del]1195[/del]), [del] **Silver Jan** [/del] (1071, [del]1145[/del]) **Believerer** (1) - **BobArrgh** 1279 **BobArrgh** (0) -[del] **Septimus** [/del] (1332, 1381) **Tanaer** (1) - **Scathach** (1339) **NAF1138** (0) - [del] **Gadarene** [/del] (1344, 1362) Abstain (1) - **NAF1138** (844) Present (0) - [del] **septimus** [/del] (870, [del]1141[/del]) ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1423 "2012-04-16T19:38:09Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I need one more vote on me, or somebody else needs several more votes. If the vote count is like this at the end of the day, I’ll vote myself. > > And that’s just sad, guys. It shouldn’t be this hard to pick a clear lynch that is safe from the 3-voter. This is ridiculous. I feel like I’m through the looking glass. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1424 "2012-04-16T19:39:10Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Wjhen I get to that I’ll make a note. 🙂 > > I’d welcome that, frankly. But perhaps you can PM me the name anyway. You know… just in case they don’t contact me. I think I’ll preserve their confidentiality for now, since they’ve asked me to do so. They can (and probably will) out their identity to you themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1425 "2012-04-16T19:39:21Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This is ridiculous. I feel like I’m through the looking glass. Well, if you really don’t want him to be lynched, it might be worth looking at people who are actually being voted for rather than placing a one off on Suburban. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1426 "2012-04-16T19:40:32Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Oh, and **choie** , > > Your vote switch from \*\*Astral \*\*to \*\*Normal \*\*made the vote count > > Astral - 5 > Gadarene - 3 > Normal - 2 > Weedy - 2 > MHaye - 2 > > With Astral’s vote switch from \*\*MHaye \*\*to Normal, it’s now > > Astral - 5 > Gadarene - 3 > Normal - 3 > Weedy - 2 > > Unofficially, of course, and not listing anyone with only 1 vote. Hum - why am I so far off 😕 ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1427 "2012-04-16T19:41:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Translation: > > I didn’t really \*want \*to vote for **Astral** , but \*\*Normal \*\*(and a bunch of other people) made me do it. > > So now I’m going to stand on my own two feet and vote the way _I_ want to vote…except I’m not actually going to do that…instead I’m going to vote for Normal because she made me do something I didn’t want to do. > > Oh, but i have \*\*\*no \*\*\*idea what the vote count is, so if I happen to cause a massive clusterfuck 2 hours before end of Day, it’s not my fault. You need to get your Universal Translator fixed, Lt. Uhura. 'Cause your translation is _waaay_ out of whack. I have said all along that I’m weirded out by how unscummy most people are. I think the fact that the votes toDay are so evenly spread out is a testament to this – a lot of people seem to be having a lot of trouble sniffing out the scum, not just me. I don’t even know what that second paragraph means. “I’m not actually going to (vote the way I want to vote)” – yes, I actually _am_ voting the way I want to vote. I want to be pragmatic and everyone and their brother has insisted that **fubbles** is a bad candidate. So, being pragmatic, I’m going to the next likely suspect, which is **Normal** , who’s behavior toDay has been absolutely, ludicrously, patently scummy. And your last paragraph – why the fuck should I be the only one tallying the votes all the time? It has nothing to do with saying it’s not my fault, it’s saying that it’s time you people got off your asses and did your own freakin’ vote count because I’m sick of doing it myself. Jesus. I can’t understand how anyone except a scumbuddy could take a look at **Normal** ’s behavior toDay and not find it suspicious as all get-out. If you don’t, that’s fine. Just let me know whether your seeing-eye dog prefers Alpo or Iams. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1428 "2012-04-16T19:42:13Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > This is ridiculous. I feel like I’m through the looking glass. This is a crazy day, isn’t it? I don’t particularly want to die, but I also don’t want to leave it up to the 3-voter. I don’t get why apparently everyone else is okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1429 "2012-04-16T19:42:15Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Well, if you really don’t want him to be lynched, it might be worth looking at people who are actually being voted for rather than placing a one off on Suburban. I am the second wagon, Scathach. And it’s not that I don’t want him lynched (although I do think he’s probably town) – it’s that I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS ACTIVELY SEEKING TO PRESERVE HIS OWN LYNCH WITHOUT ANY SENSE OF URGENCY AT ALL. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1430 "2012-04-16T19:43:20Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is a crazy day, isn’t it? I don’t particularly want to die, but I also don’t want to leave it up to the 3-voter. I don’t get why apparently everyone else is okay with that. If you are Town, you know that your lynch will be a mislynch, which is bad. I don’t get why _you’re_ okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1431 "2012-04-16T19:44:28Z")
Also, Scathach, I don’t think Normal is scum at _all_, so I’m not going to be voting her either. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1432 "2012-04-16T19:45:11Z")
> [@choie](#): > > So, being pragmatic, I’m going to the next likely suspect, which is **Normal** , who’s behavior toDay has been absolutely, ludicrously, patently scummy. Holy crap. You know I’m het up when I fuck up _who’s_ versus _whose_. Nice work, editor. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1433 "2012-04-16T19:46:50Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I am the second wagon, Scathach. > > . A fair point 🙂 Although I think Normal Phase is tying you now. As for Astral, I’m torn as to whether it’s a clever scum move to try and WIFOM us all, or just a genuine townie trying to avoid the vote manipulation ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1434 "2012-04-16T19:48:37Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > If you are Town, you know that your lynch will be a mislynch, which is bad. I don’t get why _you’re_ okay with that. If it’s close, any number of people could be lynched instead of me by the 3-vote. Let’s say I lose another vote, and somebody else gains one. That means 4 people could die, and town doesn’t know who until the death reveal. If the 3-voter is scum, that means they effectively get two kills this day/night cycle, FOR FREE, while maximizing their gains and goals at our expense. I’m a soldier, not a power role, and no great loss. If it was between me and one other person, that’s fine. The more we kvetch and don’t pick a winner while putting numerous other one-offs within lynching distance is CLEARLY anti-town. My death is better than an almost random lynch outside of town’s control. If I live after the 3-vote AGAIN swings the lynch to someone else, we’ll just do this all over again tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1435 "2012-04-16T19:49:41Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > A fair point 🙂 Although I think Normal Phase is tying you now. > > As for Astral, I’m torn as to whether it’s a clever scum move to try and WIFOM us all, or just a genuine townie trying to avoid the vote manipulation ☹ At this point, I don’t care which you believe. Town, just pick a clear lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1436 "2012-04-16T19:49:48Z")
Where were all of you yesterDay when I actually _wanted_ Astral lynched? Astral, if you flip villa we’re just going to do all of this all over again tomorrow with ME in the seat. Why is that a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1437 "2012-04-16T19:52:46Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Where were all of you yesterDay when I actually _wanted_ Astral lynched? > > Astral, if you flip villa we’re just going to do all of this all over again tomorrow with ME in the seat. Why is that a good thing? I can’t help that. If you get lynched and I don’t, it’s the same in reverse. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1438 "2012-04-16T19:54:07Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Suburban: your continuing to vote me is a joke. Ha ha ha Out of curiosity, how would you describe \*\*PetW \*\*and **fubbleskag**? Are their votes as humorous as mine? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1439 "2012-04-16T19:54:12Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I need one more vote on me, or somebody else needs several more votes. If the vote count is like this at the end of the day, I’ll vote myself. > > And that’s just sad, guys. It shouldn’t be this hard to pick a clear lynch that is safe from the 3-voter. I think you would be silly to vote for yourself just to make sure the triple voter doesn’t lynch someone else. You are currently voting for \*\*Normal \*\* and if you are lynched and flip Town then that vote could possibly be forgotten. I think Normal is **Town** but each to his own. This is such a stressful time of Day and I keep wanting to change my vote all the time. I have to be calm, I did have a reason for placing my vote on **Astral** that felt right. So in my head, I have changed my vote to\*\* Suburban Plankton\*\* for keeping his vote on **Gaderene** (if Gad flips scum I am going to feel like a twit). Then it was for\*\* BobArrgh\*\* for saying that anyone that jumps off the\*\* Astral\*\* wagon is probably scum and then back to\*\* Astral\*\*. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1440 "2012-04-16T19:57:47Z")
**Gadarene** , that capslock of rage isn’t helping your case. I understand your frustration but I’m worried you’re gonna short out your monitor with those flecks of spittle. 🙂 I think **Astral** is being, as I am, pragmatic. It looks quite likely that he’ll be lynched (thanks in part to miss **Normal** ‘vote for **Astral** vote for **Astral** vote for **Astral** omg why is everyone voting for him?!!’ **Phase** , not to mention **Guiri** the Guru, and the rest of us who let both of them steer us in one direction like the lemmings we are. I found _nothing_ scummy at all with his goodbye speech, but rather thought it helpful and realistic. Hopefully it’ll prove unnecessary. This game is _very_ odd – frankly I’d expect no less from a **pizzaguy** game – we’re already acting like chickens with our heads cut off and it’s only Day 2. Somehow we have to account for that three-vote switch on **Mosier**. Our choices are that a) someone Townie was trying to save Townie **Gadarene** b) someone Townie was trying to save Townie **Astral** c) someone Scummy was trying to save Scummy **Gadarene** d) someone Scummy was trying to save Scummy **Astral** e) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame **Gadarene** f) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame **Astral** g) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame everyone who voted for **Mosier** , h) someone just wanted to mess with our minds and didn’t give a rat’s ass who was lynched. i) some other reason I’ve left out I think the reason **Astral** is willing to sacrifice himself is because it adds at least _one_ data point to help resolve the above puzzle. There should be enough Townies numberwise so that the death of another one isn’t _that_ awful a prospect, especially if it gains us information. Doesn’t mean I want him to go (obviously) but I understand his rationale from a Townie perspective. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=73)