# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1441 "2012-04-16T20:08:43Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Ha ha ha > > Out of curiosity, how would you describe \*\*PetW \*\*and **fubbleskag**? Are their votes as humorous as mine? I answered this already. The salient points: (1) Their votes lack any reasoning whatsoever, while your vote is based on demonstrably faulty reasoning which you acknowledge but haven’t changed. (2) You’re around and they’re not. (3) I think you’re a better Mafia player than they are; therefore, when you do things that make no sense, it pings me more than when they do. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1442 "2012-04-16T20:09:47Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Somehow we have to account for that three-vote switch on **Mosier**. Our choices are that > > a) someone Townie was trying to save Townie **Gadarene** > > b) someone Townie was trying to save Townie **Astral** > > c) someone Scummy was trying to save Scummy **Gadarene** > > d) someone Scummy was trying to save Scummy **Astral** > > e) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame **Gadarene** > > f) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame **Astral** > > g) someone, presumably Scummy, was trying to frame everyone who voted for **Mosier** , > > h) someone just wanted to mess with our minds and didn’t give a rat’s ass who was lynched. > > i) some other reason I’ve left out. I think we can probably rule out b) and d), as \*\*Astral \*\*was not the apparent lynch candidate. The triple vote was intended either to kill **Mosier** , to save **Gadarene** , or to mess with the Town. None of which says anything about the likely alignments of either Astral or Gadarene. We would need to know quite a bit more about the source of the three votes in order to determine that. Let’s not forget that there were also ‘extra votes’ on Mosier and Gadarene yesterDay. The most likely explanation for those is that we have ‘double-voters’; unfortunately that leaves us with 11 suspects. And no way to tell their alignment even if we knew who they were anyway. So I suppose at this point this just gets filed in the “let’s remember this for later” pile. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1443 "2012-04-16T20:15:03Z")
**MHaye** , Do you plan on placing a vote Today? I know you needed to get caught up, but we’re only about 45 minutes until End of Day, and it would be ‘unfortunate’ should you finish your review 5 minutes before Dusk and throw a wrench in the works at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1444 "2012-04-16T20:16:35Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > I answered this already. The salient points: > > (1) Their votes lack any reasoning whatsoever, while your vote is based on demonstrably faulty reasoning which you acknowledge but haven’t changed. > > (2) You’re around and they’re not. > > (3) I think you’re a better Mafia player than they are; therefore, when you do things that make no sense, it pings me more than when they do. Ah, this is an entirely new spin on “Lynch the Loud”, coupled with the warmest, cuddliest snuggling I’ve heard in weeks. I \*like \*it. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1445 "2012-04-16T20:21:26Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Ah, this is an entirely new spin on “Lynch the Loud”, coupled with the warmest, cuddliest snuggling I’ve heard in weeks. > > I \*like \*it. You asked me a question. I responded honestly to your question. Go hug an umbrella. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1446 "2012-04-16T20:29:02Z")
Seriously, Suburban: you asked why I’m not harping as much on PetW and fubbleskag’s votes of me. I _did_. You, however, have continued to vote me despite your initial premise for voting me (that I was lying about my correspondent) having been invalidated. I’m calling you a scum for that. Where the fuck do you get Lynch the Loud from, and how in the fucking world am I snuggling you? Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1447 "2012-04-16T20:31:12Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **MHaye** , > > Do you plan on placing a vote Today? I know you needed to get caught up, but we’re only about 45 minutes until End of Day, and it would be ‘unfortunate’ should you finish your review 5 minutes before Dusk and throw a wrench in the works at that point. Working on it. Need to find a post I read earlier. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1448 "2012-04-16T20:33:06Z")
That took a while, and I still need to read from 1101 again. My votecount has Astral at 6 votes, Gadarene, Normal Phase, and Weedy at 2, Choie, Believerer, myself, Scathach and Suburban Plankton at 1. Weedy’s vote remains on me, in case anyone’s wondering. I’ll remind you that there is not only a triple voter, but also two separate secret-voting players. If they all gang up, they could push Gad or I (say) - anyone with two votes - into the lynch lead. [color=blue] **Vote Astral Rejection** [/c]. That’s one part self-preservation, two parts suspicion from Yesterday, one part “who did that triple vote _actually_ save, Gad or AR?” and one part Normal’s critique of that farewell post found in [post=14961971]post 1037[/post]. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1449 "2012-04-16T20:35:16Z")
_bh_ > [@MHaye](#): > > **Vote Astral Rejection**. Too used to posting on MtG forums where the [noparse][c][/c][/noparse] tags are used to link to card information. I _usually_ catch it. Not this time. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1450 "2012-04-16T20:36:14Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Seriously, Suburban: you asked why I’m not harping as much on PetW and fubbleskag’s votes of me. I _did_. You, however, have continued to vote me despite your initial premise for voting me (that I was lying about my correspondent) having been invalidated. I’m calling you a scum for that. > > Where the fuck do you get Lynch the Loud from, and how in the fucking world am I snuggling you? > > Jesus Christ. I never once claimed that you were lying about your correspondent. I said you were lying about knowing \*\*fubbleskag’s \*\*Special Third Party Win Condition. “Lynch the Loud” came from the fact that you’re voting for me, in part, because “you’re around and they’re not”. And how can you not see your point (3) as snuggling? I really wish we had something else to talk about Today, but it seems most of the Town are content to listen to us squabble…at least I’m enjoying myself with it; I hope you are too. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1451 "2012-04-16T20:36:37Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > That took a while, and I still need to read from 1101 again. > > My votecount has Astral at 6 votes, Gadarene, Normal Phase, and Weedy at 2, Choie, Believerer, myself, Scathach and Suburban Plankton at 1. > > Weedy’s vote remains on me, in case anyone’s wondering. > I’ll remind you that there is not only a triple voter, but also two separate secret-voting players. If they all gang up, they could push Gad or I (say) - anyone with two votes - into the lynch lead. > > [color=blue] **Vote Astral Rejection** [/c]. > > That’s one part self-preservation, two parts suspicion from Yesterday, one part “who did that triple vote _actually_ save, Gad or AR?” and one part Normal’s critique of that farewell post found in [post=14961971]post 1037[/post]. Pretty sure I have the same stupid three votes on me that I’ve had most of the day. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1452 "2012-04-16T20:37:51Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I never once claimed that you were lying about your correspondent. I said you were lying about knowing \*\*fubbleskag’s \*\*Special Third Party Win Condition. > > “Lynch the Loud” came from the fact that you’re voting for me, in part, because “you’re around and they’re not”. > > And how can you not see your point (3) as snuggling? > > I really wish we had something else to talk about Today, but it seems most of the Town are content to listen to us squabble…at least I’m enjoying myself with it; I hope you are too. Can you even read? I’m not voting you because you’re around and they’re not. I’m complaining to you about your vote being on me because you’re around and they’re not. Stop misrepresenting what I’m saying, please…or at least take the sentences a little slower so you don’t miss their meaning. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1453 "2012-04-16T20:41:10Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Pretty sure I have the same stupid three votes on me that I’ve had most of the day. I’m sure it’s 2. What I have for you.Suburban Plankton : +813 [del]Visorslash : +824 -1,194[/del] fubbleskag : +967 [del]Visorslash : +1,200 -1,203[/del] [del]Mhaye : +1,281 -1,284[/del]Who have I missed? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1454 "2012-04-16T20:44:18Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > That’s one part self-preservation, two parts suspicion from Yesterday, one part “who did that triple vote _actually_ save, Gad or AR?” and one part Normal’s critique of that farewell post found in [post=14961971]post 1037[/post]. First \*\*choie \*\*said it, and now you’ve repeated it: that the triple vote yesterday might have been meant to save **Astral**. How is that? The ‘final’ vote count (before the triple-vote and the two hidden votes) had \*\*Gadarene \*\*as the lynch, one vote ahead of Astral. The only way the triple vote could have been to save Astral would have been if the triple voter a) knew that there were two hidden votes, and b) thought they were both going to be placed on Astral. That would have put Astral in the lead by a single vote, and he would have required ‘rescuing’. Of course, neither of the hidden votes was placed on Astral, so he was never actually in any last-minute danger at all. If I’m missing something, someone \*please \*point it out. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1455 "2012-04-16T20:45:32Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I’m sure it’s 2. > > What I have for you.Suburban Plankton : +813 > [del]Visorslash : +824 -1,194[/del] > fubbleskag : +967 > [del]Visorslash : +1,200 -1,203[/del] > [del]Mhaye : +1,281 -1,284[/del]Who have I missed? PetW is voting me, as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1456 "2012-04-16T20:49:35Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Can you even read? > > I’m not voting you because you’re around and they’re not. I’m complaining to you about your vote being on me because you’re around and they’re not. > > Stop misrepresenting what I’m saying, please…or at least take the sentences a little slower so you don’t miss their meaning. My apologies. I did conflate “why do you think my vote on you is so bad” (which I did ask) with “why are you voting for me” (which I did not ask). Although, I suspect the two are pretty heavily tied together, are they not? In fact, what have I done that makes you think I’m Scum _other than_ ‘not move my vote off of you’? ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1457 "2012-04-16T20:50:51Z")
**unvote** **unvote** **Vote Astral Rejection** Forgot to do this before I went to bed last night. I know people will hate the last minute vote change, but I’ve been asleep for the last 7 hours. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1458 "2012-04-16T20:51:24Z")
Let’s be paranoid. **Unvote** **Vote Astral Rejection**. Just in case OGGH decides not to count my vote because it’s in a quote box. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1459 "2012-04-16T20:51:56Z")
**Unvote Suburban Plankton** **[color]Vote Weedy**[/color] This is not your village game so far. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1460 "2012-04-16T20:52:41Z")
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