# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1561 "2012-04-17T18:50:03Z")
Thanks for clearing up the -1 ATPG as to the extra votes… \*\* Normal, Visorslash and ToeJam \*\* have all voted on players that got an extra vote ( or in this case 2) If it is not a roaming quality 2 of those 3 have the power. And we will know soon enough ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1562 "2012-04-17T18:50:32Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > If you insist. > > Seriously, Gadarene, that’s not helpful. Nobody listens to me anyway, Normal. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1563 "2012-04-17T18:52:54Z")
Interesting. Now we now who the double-voters are – one definitely, though the second could be one of two people. Voters for **Astral** : **Weedy. septimus, GuiriEnEspana, Silver Jan, Normal Phase, MHaye, Visorslash, ToeJam** Voters for **Mosier** (4 official votes, 3 from **pizzaguy** , 1 invisible vote: Discounting the three from **pizzaguy** , the voters were: **Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, Normal Phase, gnarlycharlie, (anonymous double-voter)** Voters for **Gadarene** (6 official votes, 1 invisible vote) **NAF1138, ToeJam, Inner Stickler, Visorslash, BobArrgh, lilflower, (anonymous double-voter)** CROSSOVER VOTES: **Normal Phase** is the only person who voted for **Mosier** and **Astral** **ToeJam** and **Visorslash** are the only people who voted for **Gadarene** and **Astral** So unless there’s something I’m missing, the double-voters appear to be: 1. **Normal Phase** 2 Either **ToeJam** or **Visorslash** * * * Anyone disagree with my math? Of course the double-voters don’t have to be malicious, and maybe they helped lynch a scum **Astral** – we don’t know yet. ---
**Author:** ![realitytrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@realitytrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/realitytrip)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1564 "2012-04-17T18:53:15Z")
Suburban - My votes did not count since they were not bolded. ATPG has my vote now counted as an abstain. That is where the extra abstain is coming from. Also, my votes for the items do not count…I think that is also throwing you off. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1565 "2012-04-17T18:53:55Z")
…Annnd I see that **LightFoot** was way ahead of me. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1566 "2012-04-17T18:54:41Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > Thanks for clearing up the -1 ATPG > as to the extra votes… \*\* Normal, Visorslash and ToeJam \*\* have all voted on players that got an extra vote ( or in this case 2) > If it is not a roaming quality 2 of those 3 have the power. And we will know soon enough Dang you’re fast! I only counted it myself five minutes ago. And I confirm ,and one of them is me. I believe it’s a function of my role, but I don’t know whether the other player has the same role as me or a different one. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1567 "2012-04-17T18:56:57Z")
I can confirm it’s an effect of my role; I just double-checked. Which means anyone could get it should they go this path (at least – again, Visor or ToeJam may be different). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1568 "2012-04-17T18:58:34Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Also, if Astral _does_ flip town, the wagon surge on him needs to be examined. I think it needs to be examined regardless. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1569 "2012-04-17T18:59:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Weedy: 2 - It looks like Weedy lost a vote? My tally error, already noted and corrected. > [@](#): > > Abstain/Present/Unvoted: 2 - there is one extra vote here, as NAF1138 is the only person to have voted ‘Abstain’. I counted Askthepizzaguy’s unvote as one of these. > [@](#): > > Visorslash: 2 - another extra vote here Correct. > [@](#): > > **Lightfoot: 4** - an extra vote here Correct. > [@](#): > > Fubbleskag: 3 - 2 extra votes here? Visorslash voted to Fubbleskag as well, by my tally. You should only have 1 extra vote. I note that in your tally, you have Visorslash voting the item to himself? Which of us made the error there? Have to recheck. Realitytrips’ votes were invalid. > [@](#): > > Visorslash: 3 - 2 extra votes here Correct. Okay, so we largely agree **Suburban Plankton** , except I believe Visor voted a different person the item in question which I will recheck, and I believe you counted Reality’s votes which were invalid. I will get back to you on the item vote which we are in disagreement on, but otherwise the tally should be fine here. > [@Visorslash](#): > > **Unvote; Vote: Sapphire ring to Fubbleskag** Here it is. In your tally you have him voting the item to himself. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1570 "2012-04-17T19:00:03Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Dang you’re fast! I only counted it myself five minutes ago. And I confirm ,and one of them is me. I believe it’s a function of my role, but I don’t know whether the other player has the same role as me or a different one. Not really, I started a list of possibles yesterDay and when the officical modified vote count was posted just now it was a quick matter of elimination. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1571 "2012-04-17T19:02:01Z")
Barring any other corrections (all of which were minor and not outcome-changing) I will proceed. Thanks for the help everyone. As you can see, it’s quite easy for things to get missed. That’s why the proper vote procedure is important. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1572 "2012-04-17T19:03:37Z")
I have nothing to do with any of the modified item votes, though. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1573 "2012-04-17T19:21:16Z")
OK, I found my item voting error. Visorslash posted > [@Visorslash](#): > > **Unvote; Vote: Sapphire ring to Fubbleskag** but I only marked down the unvote for the Sapphire Ring…and I marked it down as being for the Emerald Ring my mistake 😕 So we have: 2 hidden votes on Astral Rejection And for Item Votes: Blue Pendant: 2 hidden votes to Visorslash Sapphire Ring: 1 hidden vote to LightFoot 1 hidden vote to fubbleskag Emerald Ring: 2 hidden votes to Visorslash Normal Phase has claimed to be one of the double-voters, and the other should be either Visorslash or ToeJam, based on the voting, correct? And the extra item votes don’t seem to be based on double-voting at all…I’m guessing they are either the result of some item(s) already being possessed by these people, or these votes are being purchased. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1574 "2012-04-17T19:23:52Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Both non-Pizza extra votes on Astral this time; traitor didn’t bother. No point in it, I guess, since Astral finished 4 votes up in the ‘first count’ tally. Unfortunately, that means there’s no way we can glean any information from him (or them) Today. Not exactly cricket, if you ask me, but what can you expect from Traitors, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1575 "2012-04-17T19:42:59Z")
OK, full disclosure Pizza told me I DO actually have double influence on the item votes. But I didn’t see Suburban list any extra vote for the item I put to myself, so I’m still confused. Assuming the other player works the same way, though, it must be Visorslash. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1576 "2012-04-17T19:46:52Z")
I love how Askthepizzaguy is keeping you all in suspense! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1577 "2012-04-17T19:49:37Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK, full disclosure Pizza told me I DO actually have double influence on the item votes. But I didn’t see Suburban list any extra vote for the item I put to myself, so I’m still confused. > > Assuming the other player works the same way, though, it must be Visorslash. This is my presumption as well- I have no double voting abilities with my role. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1578 "2012-04-17T20:00:51Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK, full disclosure Pizza told me I DO actually have double influence on the item votes. But I didn’t see Suburban list any extra vote for the item I put to myself, so I’m still confused. > > Assuming the other player works the same way, though, it must be Visorslash. Is it likely that Town would have two double voters? Are they supposed to act as a counterbalance to a scum triplevoter, or is it possible that if Normal is Town, Visorslash is more likely to be scum? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1579 "2012-04-17T20:01:45Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > OK, full disclosure Pizza told me I DO actually have double influence on the item votes. But I didn’t see Suburban list any extra vote for the item I put to myself, so I’m still confused. > > Assuming the other player works the same way, though, it must be Visorslash. No, that makes sense. Once I omit all of the \*\*realitytrip \*\*votes and fix my problems with \*\*Visorslash’s \*\*votes, I have: Pendant Normal Phase (3): Weedy (1034), septimus (1222), Normal Phase (1265) Sapphire LightFoot (3): LightFoot (851), septimus (870), Normal Phase (1265) Emerald choie (4): septimus (870), choie (916), Weedy (1034), Normal Phase (1265) Add an extra vote to each of those, and the totals match what \*\*Pizza \*\*has. The other extra item votes are still a mystery though. I see four votes for \*\*Visorslash \*\*(2 each on 2 different items), and one vote each for \*\*fubbleskag \*\*and **PetW**. I can’t see any pattern there. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1580 "2012-04-17T20:08:08Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > This is my presumption as well- I have no double voting abilities with my role. Just to be clear…you’re denying that you have any double-voting ability, meaning the other double-voter must be **Visorslash**? Assuming there \*is \*a second double-voter, and it’s not some other more esoteric power, that is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=78) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=80)