# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1581 "2012-04-17T20:08:24Z")
I’ll recheck it once I’m done my thing over here. If any game needed a co-host, it’d be this one. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1582 "2012-04-17T20:11:51Z")
I can help out once I’m dead, pizza. (assuming I DO die. Phere’s been pretty ineffectual so far!) ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1583 "2012-04-17T20:19:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Just to be clear…you’re denying that you have any double-voting ability, meaning the other double-voter must be **Visorslash**? > > Assuming there \*is \*a second double-voter, and it’s not some other more esoteric power, that is. I am denying that I have double voting ability. I don’t KNOW that the other one is **Visorslash** - but if it was a 50-50 choice (and not something like double votes don’t HAVE to be for the same target), I feel safe in assuming since I cannot double vote, the other guy must double vote if those are the only two options. Since I know how much you seem to get hung up on the technical wording of things. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1584 "2012-04-17T20:20:37Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I can help out once I’m dead, pizza. > > (assuming I DO die. Phere’s been pretty ineffectual so far!) Slow and steady wins the race… ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1585 "2012-04-17T20:21:41Z")
Phere’s been plenty effective. I just don’t happen to have a Demon summoned from the 9th Hell Dimension to assist me with keeping the tally straight and also calculate the results of your actions, while both Straight Dope and my internets provider are taking turns shitting on my face. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1586 "2012-04-17T20:29:15Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > I am denying that I have double voting ability. I don’t KNOW that the other one is **Visorslash** - but if it was a 50-50 choice (and not something like double votes don’t HAVE to be for the same target), I feel safe in assuming since I cannot double vote, the other guy must double vote if those are the only two options. > > Since I know how much you seem to get hung up on the technical wording of things. 😛 So you don’t deny not saying that \*\*Visorslash \*\*may or may not be a double-voter, to the best of your knowledge? 😃 Assuming for course that you and \*\*Normal \*\*are being truthful, the only person left who could be a ‘double-voter’ would be Visorslash. But I don’t think that we can say for certain that the extra votes are the result of a ‘double-voter’. There may be a number of other ways for a ‘hidden vote’ to be placed. One thing that occurs to me now: Someone may automatically place a hidden vote on the person who is the lynch candidate at EoD. The two outstanding hidden votes are on \*\*Gadarene \*\*on Day 1 and \*\*Astral \*\*on Day 2; both of them were the lynch candidates before the hidden votes were counted. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1587 "2012-04-17T20:37:24Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Double-voters take effect at the same time they vote, but won’t be shown in the tally until EOD. This I took as a clue ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1588 "2012-04-17T20:40:50Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > So you don’t deny not saying that \*\*Visorslash \*\*may or may not be a double-voter, to the best of your knowledge? 😃 Most certainly, it is plausibly possible. 😃 And +1 to **Lightfoot**. Good Job, **Blue**! ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1589 "2012-04-17T21:05:22Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > This I took as a clue It’s a reference to the tie-breaker mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1590 "2012-04-17T21:19:28Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > Is it likely that Town would have two double voters? Given a known scum triple-voter, given that anyone with an extra vote is going to be given extra scrutiny, and given that the nature of a double vote is that it can’t be hidden for long even if the person wanted to? I would consider it greater than random that neither of us is scum. That’s different from us both being town, but I don’t think it’s precluded. One thing I would like to know is whether our roles are the same; and whether our role or roles are accessible by someone starting at “vanilla”. I don’t have the information yet to answer any of that. > [@](#): > > Are they supposed to act as a counterbalance to a scum triplevoter, or is it possible that if Normal is Town, Visorslash is more likely to be scum? ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1591 "2012-04-17T21:25:00Z")
\*It is the **year 10,432…** It is the \*\*seventh day \*\*of the **sixth month**. The days seem to get longer and longer… [Pantera- Walk](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpMbR8jWZ6A) \*Can’t you see I’m easily bothered by persistance One step from lashing out at you… You want in to get under my skin And call yourself a friend I’ve got more friends like you What do I do? Is there no standard anymore? What it takes, who I am, where I’ve been Belong You can’t be something you’re not Be yourself, by yourself Stay away from me A lesson learned in life Known from the dawn of time Re-spect, Walk, what did you say? Re-spect, Walk, are you talking to me? Are you talking to me?? Run your mouth when I’m not around It’s easy to achieve You cry to weak friends that sympathize Can you hear the violins playing your song? Those same friends tell me your every word Is there no standard anymore? What it takes, who I am, where I’ve been Belong You can’t be something you’re not Be yourself, by yourself Stay away from me A lesson learned in life Known from the dawn of time Re-spect, Walk, what did you say? Re-spect, Walk, are you talking to me? Are you talking to me? No way punk Are you talking to me? Walk on home boy\* \*\*Lord Phere \*\*had gone to great lengths to keep them all where they stood, separating them all from the rest of the universe. \*_The Adventurers wasted little time charging into action. The Demonic creature did not appear the slightest bit concerned._ \* \*\*Normal Phase \*\*looked up into the sky and noticed that \*\*something \*\*was heading in her direction. Reacting quickly, she shielded herself, deflecting the blow. _ **Normal Phase takes no damage.** _ \*\*fubbleskag \*\*did not even see the attack coming. Fortunately for him, someone else did. \* “I’ve got your back, **fubbleskag**!” \*shouted **Normal Phase.** A glittering \*\*bolt of energy \*\*struck home, and \*\*vanished \*\*in a flash of brilliant light. Normal Phase looked at herself, and saw that nothing happened. _“…Yay.”_ Normal Phase was both grateful and puzzled. _ **Normal Phase takes no damage.** _ [FONT=Palatino Linotype][SIZE=4]**“You miserable dust mites are more pathetic than I ever imagined. Can’t even kill each other properly!” [COLOR=Black] \*\* Lord Phere laughed. [COLOR=Red]** “Here, taste more minions from the depths of Hell!”\*\*[/COLOR][/COLOR] A \*\*group of gremlins wielding pitchforks and daggers \*\*surrounded the group, but \*\*Visorslash \*\*took the brunt of the damage. \*“ACK!!! Get off of me, you disgusting creatures!” **Visorslash takes 50hp damage.** \* An \*\*orb of magic \*\*whistled through the air, slamming into Visorslash and knocking him to the ground in a daze. \* “YEEEOUCH!!!” **Visorslash takes 100hp damage.** \* A **ferocious blow** struck Visorslash just as he was trying to get up off of the ground. This one was particularly powerful, nearly breaking the poor lad in half. _“Help me!!! Somebody PLEASE help me!!!”_\* Visorslash takes 150hp damage.\*\*\* \*\*Choie \*\*was too close to the action, and failed to see the weapon swinging in her direction. \*“Oh bloody hell!” “Nevermind that, **Choie**! I’ll protect you!” _shouted **GuiriEnEspana**._ \* The blow struck home, leaving a devastating wound on Guiri. \*“I’ll… uh… I’ll just be on the ground bleeding, I guess… don’t mind me.” **GuiriEnEspana takes 80hp damage.** \* \*\*ToeJam \*\*didn’t see the \*\*attack \*\*coming. In fact, he barely noticed it had happened at all. \* “Who’s there? Someone want my attention? Speak up, it’s only polite!” \*he laughed. _ **ToeJam takes 25hp damage.** _ A magical glowing light surrounds **Visorslash**. \* "Oh, thank the Gods! I feel a bit better now. **Visorslash recovers by 100hp.** \* A second glowing light envelops **Visorslash**. \*“YEAH! That’s the stuff… thank you, whoever you are!” **Visorslash recovers by 100hp.** [/SIZE][/FONT]\* [FONT=Palatino Linotype]\*\* “NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR PEACE WITH THE GODS, FOOLISH MORTALS…”**_[/FONT]_ The Adventurers had slain the summoned hell creatures, and now faced the Demon Lord himself. Many of them answered the call to arms, and charged in. Others stood at a safe distances, watching their comrades in action. A** magical bolt of energy \*\*struck the Demon Lord in the chestplate, barely penetrating the armor. _ **Lord Phere takes 100hp damage.** _ Another blow was struck against the Demon Lord. _ **Lord Phere takes 25hp damage.** _ A flurry of weapon strikes continued. _ **Lord Phere takes 70hp damage.** _ And another. _ **Lord Phere takes 80hp damage.** _ [FONT=Palatino Linotype] **“IS THAT ALL?? YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC!!! Now you will experience but a small fragment of my power…”** \*[/FONT] \* The order to retreat is given, but one of them is ordered to stay behind. \*\* Astral Rejection\*\* turns and faces the Demon Lord alone. _“Demon Lord! I am **Astral Rejection!** You have slain your last, for I, **Astral Rejection** , will send you to your doom!”_ The Demon Lord advances on Astral Rejection, saying nothing. _“Repent for all that you have done! Begone from this realm! Go back from whence you came, and show your face here no longer! So sayeth I, **Astral Rejection**!”_ The Demon Lord stands before Astral Rejection, pausing momentarily. _“…Right! You should hesitate, for I, Astral Rejection, am no mere mudpuppy. I have twice the strength of any ordinary man! I, Astral Rejection, am skilled in both the ways of combat, and of romance! I, Astral Rejection… [SIZE=5] THINK FAST!!!”_ \*\*Astral Rejection \*\*aims and fires his \*\*weapon \*\*quickly, scampering away while making a Zoidbergian woop woop woop sound. _“WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP!!!”_ The arrow deflects harmlessly off of Lord Phere. Astral Rejection doesn’t even make it out of sweating distance of the creature before he’s turned into an impact crater. \*_CRUNCH_ \*\* Astral Rejection was slain by Lord Phere.\*\* **The Aftermath:** Upon inspection of his remains, they noticed that\*\* Astral Rejection \*\*seemed to be dressed like an ordinary **Archer** , and there was nothing sinister about him. Reluctantly, they were forced to conclude that a **Good** Adventurer was slain. [/SIZE]The items from the previous day were distributed to their new owners. [SIZE=6]Begin “The Second RETREAT”[/SIZE]\* _(Night Two)_ \*\*\*[COLOR=Black][COLOR=Green]OOC: Night Two[/COLOR] has begun. You may continue to discuss your situation. You may Askthepizzaguy any game-related questions you might have, please bold and green if you wish the response to be OOC and from the game host. Otherwise, just speak ITS name and you shall have your answer… Night Two will end on Saturday, 17:00 (5:00PM) Eastern Time (GMT-05:00, US & Canada), April 21st 2012.\*\*[/COLOR] We will be lengthening the phases, days and nights, until we reach a schedule where the Days begin and end during the weekday period, then revert back to one week for both day and night phases together. **Still able to fight:** 1. Mahaloth 2. Believerer 3. Suburban Plankton - 1. Scathach 2. Fubbleskag 3. Weedy 4. Gadarene 5. PetW - 1. gnarlycharlie 2. NAF1138 3. septimus 4. GuiriEnEspana - 1. Lightfoot 2. Silver Jan 3. choie 4. BobArrgh 5. Tanaer 6. Red Skeezix 7. Normal Phase 8. MHaye 9. RealityTrip 10. Lilflower - 1. Visorslash 2. storyteller0910 3. ToeJam 4. Askthepizzaguy **Not in any condition to fight:** [Dead] 1. Mosier- **Soldier [Good]** 2. Inner Stickler- **Soldier [Good]** 3. glee- **Soldier [Good]** 4. Astral Rejection- [COLOR=Blue]**Archer [Good]**[/COLOR] ROUND OVER SUMMARY: \*\* [COLOR=Black][COLOR=Blue]Normal Phase takes no damage. Normal Phase takes no damage. Visorslash takes 50hp damage. Visorslash takes 100hp damage. Visorslash takes 150hp damage. GuiriEnEspana takes 80hp damage. ToeJam takes 25hp damage. Visorslash recovers by 100hp. Visorslash recovers by 100hp. Lord Phere takes 100hp damage. Lord Phere takes 25hp damage. Lord Phere takes 70hp damage. Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. Astral Rejection was slain by Lord Phere. [/COLOR][COLOR=Black] [/COLOR]\*\*[/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1592 "2012-04-17T21:31:59Z")
A four-day Night is pretty damn long, I have to say. So what the hell is up with the focus on Visorslash? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1593 "2012-04-17T21:32:14Z")
I was good? That’s a relief. Go get 'em, town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1594 "2012-04-17T21:37:49Z")
_Gadarene’s List of Town and Scum Leans_ Slight to Moderate Town Lean choie Normal Phase septimus Silver Jan Tanaer ToeJam No Particular Lean Lightfoot Mahaloth MHaye Scathach Non-Town, Non-Scum Win Condition Lean fubbleskag Skeptical Face Believerer BobArrgh Lilflower PetW RealityTrip Red Skeezix storyteller0910 Visorslash Slight to Moderate Scum Lean gnarlycharlie GuiriEnEspana NAF1138 Suburban Plankton Weedy ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1595 "2012-04-17T21:38:55Z")
RIP, Astral. I appreciate your effort toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1596 "2012-04-17T21:40:29Z")
Can I be a slight to moderate town lean, just for old times’ sake? 😃 **Pizza, I’ll repeat my offer to help count votes and such for you if you’d like.** And with that, my posts in this thread will conclude. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1597 "2012-04-17T21:43:11Z")
Farewell Astral. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. > Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. > [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > GuiriEnEspana takes 80hp damage. > Lord Phere takes 80hp damage. So, Visorslash, who did you target, Lord Phere or Choie? ---
**Author:** ![Believerer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/53a042/32.png) [@Believerer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Believerer)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1598 "2012-04-17T21:48:08Z")
Okay so I have read through the thread now, coming to no conclusive answer to either the question of who is town or who is scum. Mind you that I am a bad mafia player, I’ll get a lot (most) things wrong. I believe Normal Phase to be town, but could use some pressure on the next vote. I find that Visorslash is pretty fishy, he could be third party or town, I don’t know yet. The rest I am pretty much in the dark about. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1599 "2012-04-17T22:04:31Z")
_Ave Atque Vale_, **Astral**. You were railroaded by certain parties and your stirring death speech will not be in vain. Attention will be paid. Meanwhile, wow, thank you, good sir **GuiriEnEspana**. Your gallantry is much appreciated. Also, that really is a fuckton of attention on **Visorslash** toDay. Not surprising, he’s basically made himself a target. Who attacked him? And who on earth healed him? I think he’s damned lucky that someone chose to save him. That is, _two_ someones. Wouldn’t have thought he’d rate such charity but, hey. As long as he turns out to be Town, I’m grateful for those who helped him out. Saving a Townsperson is definitely an act of Good… though now that I think about it, could it have been a cover for more nefarious actions? Maybe. Either way, I sure hope **Visorslash** earns that goodwill. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1600 "2012-04-17T22:07:29Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > A four-day Night is pretty damn long, I have to say. > > So what the hell is up with the focus on Visorslash? Well, he did generate a bit of controversy on Day 1. So I imagine people wondering “what exactly happens if I attack another player” thought he was a good target last Night. Then this past Day it was probably a mixture of “what happens if we do enough damage to reduce someone to 0 HP?” and “Hey, here’s a chance for me to exercise my healing skills!” It may be that attacking another player tends to shift one’s alignment toward Evil. Or possibly attacking a Town player shifts one towards evil, but attacking a Scum player shifts one towards Good. And possibly the opposite effect applies to healing. It may also be that some folks’ powers become stronger the more they are used. In any case, it seems by virtue of his somewhat abrasive nature on Day 1, \*\*Visorslash \*\*has become the defacto target for actions that may or may not affect one’s alignment and/or abilities. For the record, I doubt that we can ‘kill’ another player by reducing him to 0 HP…but I’ll bet that will have some other impact (perhaps removing their ability to vote, or their ability to take any Actions). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=81)