# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![realitytrip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@realitytrip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/realitytrip)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1661 "2012-04-18T18:52:50Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Miscast? Who did you vote for? Miscast, as in I fucked up on the voting and my vote did not count. My vote, of course, was for you. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1662 "2012-04-18T18:54:41Z")
Oh, duh. I’m brain-dead. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1663 "2012-04-18T19:02:55Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > @ **Gadarene** : What is your impression of Weedy as a **town** player? What do you mean? I think Weedy is a huge asset to the town when she is a townie. I trust her ability to make reads, and I think she has a clear and cogent eye for gameflow. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1664 "2012-04-18T19:10:12Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Oh, duh. I’m brain-dead. You can’t be, she subbed out, remember? 🙂 Just FYI I’m going to be relatively swamped (if one _can_ be “relatively swamped”) over the next couple of days, so I won’t be very active again until Friday or possibly Saturday. I’m kinda surprised to hop on the SDMB and find that no one’s taking a look at the **Astral** situation; I’d’ve expected more scrutiny of how his flipping Town changes our views of what happened on Days 1 and 2. In fact, one might almost think the conversation has been delicately yet purposely steered away from that topic. But I guess with such a long Night, not to mention the Day ahead, there’s plenty of time to examine Astralgate. Anyway, I might be able to check in tonight or tomorrow night, but otherwise I need to finish line editing a book, and that must take precedence. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1665 "2012-04-18T19:38:58Z")
Someone with more free time than me should take a look at the timing of the votes on Astral, especially the torrent that followed once Guiri put his imprimatur on the wagon. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1666 "2012-04-18T19:57:55Z")
Well I guess I was hoping for someone with more experience of Weedy as a townie to be able to distinguish whether she’s a townie here. I’ve only seen her as a townie once and it was her first game. When I encountered her as a scum, she smoked me. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1667 "2012-04-18T19:59:17Z")
> [@choie](#): > > You can’t be, she subbed out, remember? 🙂 > > Just FYI I’m going to be relatively swamped (if one _can_ be “relatively swamped”) over the next couple of days, so I won’t be very active again until Friday or possibly Saturday. > > I’m kinda surprised to hop on the SDMB and find that no one’s taking a look at the **Astral** situation; I’d’ve expected more scrutiny of how his flipping Town changes our views of what happened on Days 1 and 2. In fact, one might almost think the conversation has been delicately yet purposely steered away from that topic. But I guess with such a long Night, not to mention the Day ahead, there’s plenty of time to examine Astralgate. > > Anyway, I might be able to check in tonight or tomorrow night, but otherwise I need to finish line editing a book, and that must take precedence. And that’s the other issue – Weedy WAS one of the late Astral voters. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1668 "2012-04-18T20:08:59Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Well I guess I was hoping for someone with more experience of Weedy as a townie to be able to distinguish whether she’s a townie here. I’ve only seen her as a townie once and it was her first game. When I encountered her as a scum, she smoked me. I’ve played with Weedy a bunch. She’s very, very good, and she can be extremely tricky as scum. I did successfully call her out as scum based on her opening post once, but that’s the exception rather than the rule. I basically have to gauge her role by how much work I see her putting into the game. So far this game her overall enthusiasm and probing investigation been less than I would expect from her as Town, and I thought her pile-on vote on Astral at the very end of the Day was scummy. Notwithstanding my own vote on her to end the Day, my scum lean on her is not strong. Indeed, I hope she’s Town, because it would make me feel better about our prospects in winning this game. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1669 "2012-04-18T20:15:44Z")
Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1670 "2012-04-18T21:58:46Z")
> [@realitytrip](#): > > Ok, I am at work, and not sure I have the time and energy to respond in a dialogue, but I do want to quickly respond to a few points. > > He is new **here**. As am I (at least as far as mafia is concerned). He is not new to mafia and here I am specifically referring to a post by Normal Phase where she specifically mentions he is like this in every game they have played. So one player, not players. Ok, that makes sense. > [@](#): > > As I said in the very post you are referring to, I didn’t like any of the wagons. So that means I have to find someone else to target, doesn’t it? But your case on Mahaloth was not any more solid than anyone else’s. What made those case too terrible to vote, but yours was good enough? They seem about the same to me. > [@](#): > > This is just willful misreading of my post. I said the items probably weren’t important **as a winning condition** (to most players). Of course items are valuable, especially if they protect you from attacks. And forgive me for wanting to find out what items do. I thought the goal of town players was to gather information. I think it’s much easier for Scum to talk about items than it is for them to talk about other players. Your Day 2 was really mechanics focussed. Then you say all the wagons SUCK, even though you don’t have a read on me, and you think MHaye has he same kind of temperament as you. That’s a really strange reason not to vote for someone. > [@](#): > > Hey, here’s something you may have missed. Day 1 in realtime was **several days**. I did initially find Astral suspicious, but, hey, I changed my mind over the course of the Day. Astral posted a LOT and the tone of his initial posts rubbed me the wrong way but as the day went on, he just seemed more and more town to me. As for the voting, I didn’t really think Astral was scum, but I felt there was a greater chance he could be scum than some other people who could be a target of last minute hidden votes which would tilt the lynch. Ultimately, I still cast (or should I say miscast:smack:) my vote elsewhere. The post were you defended Astral was your first post after the game started. Maybe you had initial suspicions but you never mentioned them. Your first post says: _I think I have finally caught up with all of the posts_. Which sounded like you read everything all in one go. If there’s a lot going on in your head that you haven’t been writing down, then please share. This isn’t live Mafia; the only way we have of reading people is their posts. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1671 "2012-04-18T22:23:40Z")
> [@Gadarene](#): > > What do you mean? > > I think Weedy is a huge asset to the town when she is a townie. I trust her ability to make reads, and I think she has a clear and cogent eye for gameflow. Whoo! I’m not sure what that means, but thank you. > [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Well I guess I was hoping for someone with more experience of Weedy as a townie to be able to distinguish whether she’s a townie here. I’ve only seen her as a townie once and it was her first game. When I encountered her as a scum, she smoked me. You trounced Scum my first ever Mafia game. Then I was Scum my second. I was hyper-aware of you and crafted all my posts to avoid your radar. I was even telling Septimus: _“No, don’t say that. Normal will be all over that.”_ I know why you don’t like my Astral vote, and I know the kind of post you would have liked to see instead. I wasn’t very happy about my vote on Astral, and I left it to the last minute to make it (before I went to bed). I think it was the right vote to make under the circumstances, but if it hadn’t have been for the triple voter, I would have left my vote on MHaye. > [@choie](#): > > You can’t be, she subbed out, remember? 🙂 :smack: That’s where her name is from; I always wondered. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1672 "2012-04-19T00:40:17Z")
Gad, you may have missed my questions, since they are buried in multi-quotes, but could you please elaborate on your read on choie, on NAF, and on me? I understand you being wary of me, because I was a bit out of it for the first two Days of this game, but now you are voting me? Not sure why NAF is Scummy for the abstain vote. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1673 "2012-04-19T00:52:55Z")
> [@realitytrip](#): > > That is fair. All I can say is that this is my first mafia game and I feel like I have been thrown into the deep end of the pool. I am fairly conservative by nature and we did not have much to go on day one. It’s also tough as a newbie when players are actively looking for “self-conscious” posts and imo newbie posts tend to be just that. Mosier got a wagon for that. Granted, in a normal game he would have survived, but this is obviously not a normal game. > > All of the wagons (including yours, AR) seemed pretty flimsy as I tried to show by my vote. And speaking of that, Mahaloth, you out there? I hope to be more active going forward as we have more information and voting patterns. This is realitytrip playing the newbie card on D2. Realitytrip is clearly not a newbie, since he has comments on game balance, assesses wagons and is generally pretty confident in his opinions. I don’t think he has been particularly self-conscious, at least he hasn’t come across that way. This attempt to defend himself rings very false to me. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1674 "2012-04-19T01:29:14Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Not sure why NAF is Scummy for the abstain vote. If I do this toMorrow, would you find it scummy? That’s pretty much why. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1675 "2012-04-19T01:30:18Z")
NETA: I’m just giving you an example there- I didn’t suggest that NAF was scummy for his Abstinence. But I understand where it’s coming from. Compare basically **Naf** vs. **Storyteller** and that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1676 "2012-04-19T03:17:30Z")
> [@choie](#): > > You can’t be, she subbed out, remember? 🙂 actually that’s **Drain Bead**. 😃 i’ll be at the beach from Friday to Saturday (Thursday PM to Sunday AM ET). i’ll have minimal access to the net. no laptop, just my phone. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1677 "2012-04-19T04:02:02Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Gad, you may have missed my questions, since they are buried in multi-quotes, but could you please elaborate on your read on choie, on NAF, and on me? I understand you being wary of me, because I was a bit out of it for the first two Days of this game, but now you are voting me? > > Not sure why NAF is Scummy for the abstain vote. Thanks for the reminder. I’ll answer those questions sometime tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1678 "2012-04-19T06:51:15Z")
The players voting for\*\* Astral\*\* after\*\* Guiri’\*\*s vote are **Tanaer** **ToeJam MHaye Weedy** Technically both\*\* Normal\*\* and\*\* Septimus\*\* placed a vote after **Guiri** but they were re-voting. There could possibly be scum hiding amongst them (probably even). The only one of the four that I have a slight Town read on is **Weedy** but she was the last to vote for\*\* Astral\*\*, so I really don’t have a clue yet as to who is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1679 "2012-04-19T08:49:41Z")
My inbox demands more activity. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1680 "2012-04-19T15:59:00Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > My inbox demands more activity. Well, a few days ago you were complaining about how your mailbox was so full…make up your mind, will ya!!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=83) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=85)