# \[Mafia game\] The Realm of Phere **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480 "2012-04-01T15:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 93
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1841 "2012-04-23T20:20:18Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > So, **Zombie Mosier** , are you able to participate fully in the Day’s activities, or are you limited to staggering around, using only first person pronouns, and generally craving human cerebral tissue? Day bring out more bad feeling. Light hurt eyes. Night more comfort. Not so confusing in dark-time. I smarter, stronger at night. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1842 "2012-04-23T20:21:08Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **I believe that was mine.** > > I’ll Spoiler this, for the benefit of those who don’t care to read all the details: My tally should have Visorslash voting himself the Emerald ring, which I believe was his correct final vote. He’s also voting himself the blue pendant, which your tally doesn’t show for some reason. You also don’t seem to be showing PetW’s vote for himself for the ring. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1843 "2012-04-23T20:24:12Z")
Gadarene quit whining. 🙇‍♂️ > [@Mosier](#): > > Day bring out more bad feeling. Light hurt eyes. Night more comfort. Not so confusing in dark-time. I smarter, stronger at night. So we should vig you during the day, then? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1844 "2012-04-23T20:40:44Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Gadarene quit whining. 🙇‍♂️ > > So we should vig you during the day, then? Better plan; picnic! You bring braaaains I bring bread. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1845 "2012-04-23T21:06:52Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > My tally should have Visorslash voting himself the Emerald ring, which I believe was his correct final vote. He’s also voting himself the blue pendant, which your tally doesn’t show for some reason. > > You also don’t seem to be showing PetW’s vote for himself for the ring. I found \*\*PetW’s \*\*post > [@PetW](#): > > **Ring: PetW** - Please? It really brings out the color in my eyes. He didn’t specify which Ring he was voting on, so I assumed it didn’t count. Here are the relavent posts by **Visorslash** : Post 770 > [@Visorslash](#): > > I would assume yes you can vote to yourself and yes you can vote on every item. > > That said, all items to me. > > I would vote them to Stickler, but he’s dead. ☹ Post 771 > [@Visorslash](#): > > **Bah, forgot bolding. Unvote; Vote: All items to me.** Post 777 > [@Visorslash](#): > > **Unvote; Vote: Sapphire ring to Fubbleskag** I think the end result of that is that Visorslash should have only one (public) Item Vote, that being for the Sapphire Ring to go to **fubbleskag**. If you read Post 777 to mean that the Unvote only affects the Sapphire Ring, so that he’s still voting the other two items to himself, then the ‘official count’ works out looking like Visorslash is indeed another Double-Voter. Which is the point of this whole exercise… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1846 "2012-04-23T21:26:50Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Gadarene quit whining. 🙇‍♂️ This is a totally fair criticism. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1847 "2012-04-23T21:37:46Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I found \*\*PetW’s \*\*post > He didn’t specify which Ring he was voting on, so I assumed it didn’t count. An excellent point, except that I instinctively know what color PetW’s eyes are. Maybe. It’s entirely possible that I assumed too much. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1848 "2012-04-23T23:06:42Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > All right, here’s where you seem to be doing the very thing that Astral was accusing me of doing to him. You see one thing you don’t understand, and rather than making an effort to determine whether there might be any town motivation behind it that you might have missed, you determine that “I don’t understand this” = “this is scum” and fit everything else around it into that picture. This is the kind of thing I am talking about. Choie is ery quick to make accusations this game. > [@choie](#): > > I mean, yeah, I _do_ suspect you’re scum, but I really don’t think I’ve misstated any facts here, nor do I think I’ve tilted them one way or another. Maybe I have and I just can’t see it, in which case I’m genuinely sorry. > > Because what was the point of just hopping to **PetW** to “keep the vote fluid” if a) everyone had already tried that bandwagon earlier and then decided against it, and b) you weren’t going to try to sway others to vote the same way? I’m sorry, I just do not understand this. Maybe I’m lacking the correct Mafia gene, but it’s a strategy that is utterly beyond me. Which I’m assuming is my fault, not yours. Why do you think Normal is Scum when you assume you don’t understand her strategy? I don’t think these thoughts are compatible at all: Normal Phase is playing above my level, and I don’t understand her play. Normal Phase is doing things that I can identify as Scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1849 "2012-04-23T23:15:02Z")
> [@Believerer](#): > > It’s been a lot to read through and I’m not sure how much of each person I can analyze. I did however speak to Normal Phase earlier and she’s been catching me up on some of the mechanics that seems to be in place. > This is the statistics page on the site I used to play mafia on (and still do sometimes). > [http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?130384-Gameroom-statistics-revisited](http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?130384-Gameroom-statistics-revisited) > > Scroll down -\> List of players -\> Believer > If you’d like to familiarize yourself with me and my stats. > > The only game affecting commentary I can bring right now is that I think I deserve the item today because of my poor situation. I have not voted in earlier rounds which means I am still level 1 and I am very determined to win this game as it is a comeback from a long break. > > If you have any questions just ask. Interesting how so many people have more losses than wins. You guys must have a lot of multi-faction games. > [@](#): > > **Believerer** 9 games (4 wins, 5 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time > Neutral: 2 games (0 win, 2 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 0 time > Town: 7 games (4 wins, 3 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time > [@](#): > > **Renata** > 39 games (15 wins, 21 losses, 2 draws, 0 WOG, 1 replaced) - Survived 8 times > Mafia: 9 games (1 win, 6 losses, 1 draw, 0 WOG, 1 replaced) - Survived 1 time > Neutral: 3 games (2 wins, 1 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time > Town: 27 games (12 wins, 14 losses, 1 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 6 times > [@](#): > > **Visorslash** > 10 games (4 wins, 6 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 2 times > Mafia: 1 game (1 win, 0 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 time > Neutral: 1 game (0 win, 1 loss, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 0 time > Town: 8 games (3 wins, 5 losses, 0 draw, 0 WOG, 0 replaced) - Survived 1 tim ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1850 "2012-04-23T23:18:07Z")
\*\*Normal \*\*may have a point that **choie** wouldn’t go after her as Scum. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1851 "2012-04-23T23:38:49Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > This is the kind of thing I am talking about. Choie is ery quick to make accusations this game. Huh, and **Normal** thinks I’ve been too slow to make scum accusations. So which is it? Is there some perfect median/mean (sorry I’m not good with math) of accusations it’s proper to make? Actually, I’ll take the fact that you think I’m making too many, and **Normal** thinks I’m making too few, as a sign I’m doing something _right_, on balance. Go Team **Choie!** > [@](#): > > Why do you think Normal is Scum when you assume you don’t understand her strategy? I don’t think these thoughts are compatible at all: I dunno, it seems to make sense to me (for what _that_ is worth – I’m not the one I need to convince, obviously). I’m saying I couldn’t understand her decisions if she were makiing them from a Town POV, whereas I _do_ think they’d make sense coming from a scum POV. Hence… she leans scum. But less so than she did before our discussion today, though. Either she explained her position better in a way I was more receptive to, or my brain cells are simply starting to spark a little at last. Anyway, as I said before, **Weedy** , I really think it’s… well, not _unfair_, but probably not _helpful_ for your perspective, to judge my style of play in my third game. Surely the first two games one plays one doesn’t have a set style yet… most players will be fairly tentative, feeling their way around. This is my third game, and I think _this_ is the one that will better solidify my game style, develop a pattern for others to discern/recognize. The first game’s useless considering I was basically flying blind, the second game I was still just warming up, and this third game is, hopefully, where I’ll start to establish a play style. And hopefully not too annoying a style, though I bet **Normal** will disagree. 🙂 The second option is that maybe I’m such an astonishing _wunderkind_ of a player that my gameplay will vary with each game, and no one will ever ever pin me down! EVER! Erm, yeah, probably not. Go with the first thing. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2012, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1852 "2012-04-23T23:58:27Z")
Sorry, choie, I don’t believe that people change their nature from game to game. I’m going to take into account all my experience with you when I try to read you. (I wasn’t in your second game, but I read your D1 posts to try to compare them). This is some of the stuff from D1 that I found suspicious about choie. I’m still thinking about whether she would or would not push Normal Phase as Scum, but I figure I may as well show my work while I’m thinking. > [@choie](#): > > First, thanks for the guestimate, **Astral**. So we’re looking at a total of roughly seven scum? Yipe. That’s way more than I’m used to. > > As far as my vote… honestly, there really is no rationale, except for my having made a solemn vow to vote for him in the sign-up thread for fooling me so extraordinarily well in the last game and causing me to lose the game for Town. Not only do I hold long grudges, I honor my vows. 😃 But seriously, right now I have no real reason for suspecting anyone, what with Day being so young it still has its umbilical cord. I’m not likely to keep my vote where it is considering the dude hasn’t even posted in the game thread yet, far as I can see. > > On preview: **Inner Stickler** , you’re right, and I know grudges are bad. (Heck, by rights you should be holding a grudge against me, since I stupidly and very wrongly voted against you twice.) It’s just my impotent way of pulling his nose. > > **Astral** , re: **Guiri** , I didn’t take his vote seriously because it was so early and seemed to be based on the Gouda joke you made, so I assumed he was just, um, _pun_ishing you. His later explanation was straight-faced but hey, ‘deadpan’ is a legit type of humor, isn’t it? > > I’m not _quite_ sure how my not taking a Day One Hour Two vote seriously is suspicious enough to rate a vote, but then again, I’d be breaking my own rules if I took _your_ vote seriously. So hey, knock yourself out. Vote for septimus seems over-explained. Last sentence to Astral is smudgey to me. She calls him out and then retract it. > [@choie](#): > > Clearly I’m way more tentative than you are, but… isn’t this what everyone does? I mean, I know what I’m about to say now, and I knew it before I hit “reply.” Is that suspcious? Do you really just click “reply” with no clue about what you’re gonna say, and then let your fingers randomly hit the keyboard in hopes that whatever you write has something to do with the previous posts? > > In any event I really don’t want my grudge vote on **septimus** to be taken as serious mistrust, because I have no read on him whatsoever yet. I fully admit there’s nothing I’d like more than to lynch a Scum **septimus** , but it’s too early for me to make a call, especially with so low a post count on his part. So… > > **unvote septimus** > … That said, I’m a little astonished that people ( **septimus** and **glee** ) are already posting about posessions, which I guess is a kind of handshake attempt? Isn’t that precipitate? > > And as long as annoying posting styles are getting dinged, I’m casting a wary glance at **ToeJam**. > > Because I think s/he’s trying to hard to take objection to **Astral** ’s punny post, I shall instead > > **vote Gadarene** More explaining. Maybe this is just choie’s style? It’s just a joke vote, why the big fuss about it. Remember the part in Navy for later. > [@choie](#): > > Heh. I was wondering how Zubin Mehta got involved in this. Anyway, thanks for the hints re: D&D. It’s all clear as mud now! > > I’m kind of surprised at the numbers in the vote tally. It’s interesting if sort of inevitable that people aim most quickly at a newbie with an abrasive style. That’s almost an echo of my first game, where said abrasive style was owned by none other than **askthepizzaguy** Himself. Not saying you’re wrong – I went after ATPG too because his style grated – but I’m not sure it’s the right strategy. Remember, it takes an irritant to create a pearl. > > OTOH, sometimes an irritant just festers and causes gangrene. So, what am I saying? That, yeah, I have no clue. You knew you were going to say this before you said it? Because it is all waffle, and you even say you don’t know what you are talking about. You went after ATPG when he was Town, so how is it ‘not wrong’ to go after Visorslash, based on that analogy? I think this is Scummy, because it reads to me like you are just making up something to say. > [@choie](#): > > I really don’t know. For me it’s too early to determine possible coalitions. Unfortunately I could see it working either way: If **Gadarene** is scum, a scum **Astral** could be bussing his colleague during what seems to be a done-deal already. > > If **Gadarene** is Town and **Astral** is scum, **Astral** may want to save **Visorslash** (yipe, I have no idea if I just got that name wrong, sorry) and so jumps to ensure **V** ’s safety. > > If **Astral** is town… well, it still seems like an odd and not particularly wise move, but it’s certainly possible. Or he could be trying to _look_ as if he’s just made a foolish mistake that any innocent person might make. Except **Astral** is hardly a newbie, IIRC, and should’ve known how this would look. > > Oy. WIFOM all over the place. This reads to me like: I really don’t know, so don’t blame me, but no matter how which way you look at it, Astral is Scummy. > [@choie](#): > > (OT: Argh, I’m having problems with my wireless keyboard & mouse – haven’t recharged the spare batteries and I keep having to switch batteries from one to the other. Am I the only idiot who does this?) > > Anyway. I have to agree with **Mhaye** , I believe, who said those of us who heard a record scratch when **Astral** switched his votes at allegedly EOD, hadn’t backed up that suspicion with a vote. > > Looking back at **Gadarene** and the reason why I voted for him (the pressure he was putting on **Astral** due to the latter’s punnalicious joke), and comparing it with **Astral** ’s shenanigans… well, I’m not sure which I find scummier. At the very least they’re equally scummy in my eyes. And you know what? I know this is meta gaming and thus I suck, but I’ve yet to go broke by following **GuiriEnEspana** ’s lead. There are three hours left of this Day and I can definitely change my mind again, but right now, I _do_ find **Astral** ’s behavior scummier than **Gadarene** , regardless of whether **Gad** is top-runner or not. Like **LightFoot** , I vote for who’s scummiest (IMO anyway) rather than who’s leading the number of votes. > > So, a tentative: > > **unvote Gadarene** > **vote Astral Rejection** > > BTW, the surprising number of votes against **Mosier** is beyond my comprehension. I don’t think **Mosier** has posted nearly enough to explain why he’s tied for third or second (sorry, if I had batteries in my mouse I’d easily scroll down to check). Can one of the **Mosier** voters account for why they find him scummiest of all so far? > > (Suddenly I want to write: > > “Mosier, Mosier on the wall, > Is he scummiest of them all?”) Talks herself into a vote change. In the same post where she is all over the place about where to vote, she says votes on Mosier are beyond her comprehension. Why so tentative on one, and so certain on the other? Cos she knows she has to justify the vote. > [@choie](#): > > Hmm, speaking of which, I’m surprised **special ed** ’s not in the game. > > Seriously I’m glad you posted both those quotes, because I totally missed that my _bete noire_ **septimus** is also on the **Astral** wagon. What to do, what to do, which dumbass meta instinct to follow? > > No. I was among the first to call out **Astral** ’s vote switch and I stand by that. Even if I didn’t trust the suddenly ovine-impersonating **Guiri** , I’d be switching to **Astral**. So “bah” all you want, but I do have justification other than your vote, I promise. Explained extensively how her vote on Septimus was purely based on last game, and now says that he’d be a reason why she didn’t vote Astral (i.e. she does actually find him Scummy). I don’t think this makes sense, and I think she is making up stuff to say for the sake of it. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1853 "2012-04-24T00:00:30Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > Explained extensively how her vote on Septimus was purely based on last game, and now says that he’d be a reason why she didn’t vote Astral (i.e. she does actually find him Scummy). I don’t think this makes sense, and I think she is making up stuff to say for the sake of it. Should be _wouldnt vote Astral,_ not _didn’t vote Astral_. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1854 "2012-04-24T00:39:20Z")
**Weedy** , girlfriend, if you read my posts elsewhere on the SDMB, you’ll know that I overexplain _everything_. I don’t even get your using both “OMG she’s writing stuff just to write stuff and doesn’t seem to have it all planned out!” and “this seems too planned out!” as accusations. I mean… really? That’s what’s bothering you? Because at times my writing sometimes seems off-the-cuff, and other times seems too planned out? 'Cause to me, that sounds like perfectly normal behavior. Here’s how I work on mesage boards. Basically what I do is, I think of what I want to say, generally speaking. Not to the point where I literally memorize all the words I plan on writing, but certainly I do get the general idea and outline for what I want to express. Then I write. Then I rewrite. Then I look over the post some more and finally submit the damn post. And probably then, even after submitting the post, I’ll edit the fucker two minutes later. Seriously, if you can find 25 out of my 3000+ posts on the rest of the SDMB that don’t have “edited by **choie** ” in them, I’ll be shocked. The fact that there’s no editing in this game _kills_ me. _Kills_ me! I did feel I needed to explain my **septimus** vote, because people were taking it seriously, and this just blew my mind. So I wrote it out as if I were talking to humorless morons, because, well, that’s what these folks were coming across as. I still don’t know how anyone could’ve taken that vote seriously and be able to tie their shoes in the morning. Let me ask you this. Is what you’re doing “smudging”? Because I don’t see a lick of difference in what you’re doing, and what I was doing when I thought **Astral** and **Gadarene** might be scummy. Why is it “smudging” when I call someone scummy, but apparently perfectly legitimate, wholesome Townie McTownerson behavior when you call _me_ scummy? And by the way, what’s wrong with explaining one’s thought processes? Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do here? Isn’t that the point of the whole Day phase, for pete’s sake? If no one pondered aloud, these game threads would have about fifty posts from start to finish. Argh. Forget it, **choie**. It’s Weedytown. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1855 "2012-04-24T01:00:16Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Weedy** , girlfriend, if you read my posts elsewhere on the SDMB, you’ll know that I overexplain _everything_. > > I don’t even get your using both “OMG she’s writing stuff just to write stuff and doesn’t seem to have it all planned out!” and “this seems too planned out!” as accusations. I mean… really? That’s what’s bothering you? Because at times my writing sometimes seems off-the-cuff, and other times seems too planned out? 'Cause to me, that sounds like perfectly normal behavior. > > Here’s how I work on mesage boards. Basically what I do is, I think of what I want to say, generally speaking. Not to the point where I literally memorize all the words I plan on writing, but certainly I do get the general idea and outline for what I want to express. > > Then I write. Then I rewrite. Then I look over the post some more and finally submit the damn post. And probably then, even after submitting the post, I’ll edit the fucker two minutes later. > > Seriously, if you can find 25 out of my 3000+ posts on the rest of the SDMB that don’t have “edited by **choie** ” in them, I’ll be shocked. The fact that there’s no editing in this game _kills_ me. _Kills_ me! > > I did feel I needed to explain my **septimus** vote, because people were taking it seriously, and this just blew my mind. So I wrote it out as if I were talking to humorless morons, because, well, that’s what these folks were coming across as. I still don’t know how anyone could’ve taken that vote seriously and be able to tie their shoes in the morning. > > Let me ask you this. Is what you’re doing “smudging”? Because I don’t see a lick of difference in what you’re doing, and what I was doing when I thought **Astral** and **Gadarene** might be scummy. Why is it “smudging” when I call someone scummy, but apparently perfectly legitimate, wholesome Townie McTownerson behavior when you call _me_ scummy? > > And by the way, what’s wrong with explaining one’s thought processes? Isn’t that what we’re supposed to do here? Isn’t that the point of the whole Day phase, for pete’s sake? If no one pondered aloud, these game threads would have about fifty posts from start to finish. > > Argh. Forget it, **choie**. It’s Weedytown. It grates to read your posts. My thoughts have not changed re Choie. I would very much appreciate some healing if any people would like to heal me. **Vote: Red Pendant to Visorslash** ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1856 "2012-04-24T01:02:54Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > It grates to read your posts. My thoughts have not changed re Choie. I would very much appreciate some healing if any people would like to heal me. The ironing is delicious! ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1857 "2012-04-24T01:05:59Z")
It’s moreso the girlfriend and the italics, bolding, etc. I read it, and in my mind someone is speaking it, and it just sounds ridiculous to me. So I’m voting you, and that isn’t likely to change. Iron all you like. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1858 "2012-04-24T01:25:16Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > It’s moreso the girlfriend and the italics, bolding, etc. You’re new to the board, but SDMB convention is that we bold usernames. Can’t help with the “girlfriend” or italics, which are used for emphasis. But honestly, I couldn’t give less of a rat’s ass what grates on you or not. > [@](#): > > I read it, and in my mind someone is speaking it, and it just sounds ridiculous to me. > > So I’m voting you, and that isn’t likely to change. That’s funny, 'cause when I read your text, I imagine it being spoken by Rainman. But vote away, buddy. Too bad about your health, but personally I don’t think you’re an asset to Town, and quite likely the opposite. So, no great loss. OMG SMUDGE ALERT! SMUDGE ALERT! YES **WEEDY** , THAT’S A SMUDGE! Thus it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if whoever’s been healing your less-than-productive tush, assuming it _is_ just one person, is no longer inclined to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1859 "2012-04-24T01:34:07Z")
Choie, you get too worked up about these things. How am I being less then productive? I have stated my thoughts, I have voted every phase, I have been around every phase. I might not be very prolific as a poster, but who says I have to be? There are lurkers here, or people who are posting less and saying less then me, but you don’t bring them up. On topic: Mosier being resurrected by Phere is either scum getting a lackey, or some other thing with a condition. I would urge any Day attackers, to kill Mosier. That is what I will be doing. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480/1860 "2012-04-24T01:52:28Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Choie, you get too worked up about these things. How do you expect me not to get “worked up” (which I don’t think I am, more dryly cynical if anything – my temper’s not raised, just my eyebrow) when you tell me every one of my post grates on you and I sound ridiculous? Yeah, you’re right, that’s nothing at all to be annoyed by. > [@Visorslash](#): > > How am I being less then productive? I have stated my thoughts, I have voted every phase, I have been around every phase. I might not be very prolific as a poster, but who says I have to be? There are lurkers here, or people who are posting less and saying less then me, but you don’t bring them up. Because you’re not doing any deductive reasoning; I don’t think you’ve ever really explained any of your votes to any great degree whatsoever. (OTOH, I don’t blame you; apparently explaining your vote is scummy, according to the new rules instituted by **Weedy** ) Also, because you’re not paying attention to what I’m saying to you, almost screaming to you, in almost every one of my posts to you, and that is driving me up the frikkin’ wall. > [@](#): > > On topic: Mosier being resurrected by Phere is either scum getting a lackey, or some other thing with a condition. > > I would urge any Day attackers, to kill Mosier. That is what I will be doing. Personally I would feel more comfortable waiting to see how **Mosier** votes before doing any planning to attack the guy. He’s pretty badly hindered by his new zombie mode, but maybe his zombitiousness is simply a bargain he made in order to get brought back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=92) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-game-the-realm-of-phere/617480.md?page=94)