# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/181 "2018-10-03T02:47:56Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > My experience with **Mahaloth** is the more I hear him say that the game cannot be figured out, the more likely it is that he is Scum. > > **Vote Mahaloth** for meta reasons. I was just responding to what someone else said. That’s ridiculous and I did not say anything close to “this game cannot be figured out”. A terrible and totally made up case. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/182 "2018-10-03T02:49:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I was just responding to what someone else said. That’s ridiculous and I did not say anything close to “this game cannot be figured out”. > > A terrible and totally made up case. So is Day 1 then a crapshoot or not? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/183 "2018-10-03T02:56:37Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > So is Day 1 then a crapshoot or not? Not literally, but it is mainly luck. You do your best, but I’m almost never sure on D1. You do remember we went over all this back when I used to make a [random.org](http://random.org) list and vote the top name? I backed out of all that long ago and began voting normal on Day 1. I think you are punishing me for just making the connection between someone else using the phrase “crapshoot”, which is what I caught all that flack for over on giraffe. I wish I hadn’t commented at all, now. Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/184 "2018-10-03T02:56:38Z")
Not a made up case at all. From past experience, **Mahaloth** , you tend to be much more aggressive as Town and much more passive as Scum. Saying Day 1 is a crapshoot is passive. If Day 1 cases are all a matter of luck, what is a good case? What is a bad one? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/185 "2018-10-03T03:00:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Not literally, but it is mainly luck. You do your best, but I’m almost never sure on D1. You do remember we went over all this back when I used to make a [random.org](http://random.org) list and vote the top name? > > I backed out of all that long ago and began voting normal on Day 1. > > I think you are punishing me for just making the connection between someone else using the phrase “crapshoot”, which is what I caught all that flack for over on giraffe. > > I wish I hadn’t commented at all, now. Yeesh. You wish you hadn’t commented instead of fighting back at me. This is what I mean by passive. It is as if you already know I am Town. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/186 "2018-10-03T03:25:29Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > **Pleonast** isn’t in the game. > > Stranger Which would explain why he hasn’t posted. Harrumph. Oh, **Prof P**? Why d’ya include **Pleonast** in your list of posters? > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Speaking of statistics, I’m past due to post: > W > > > [@](#): > > > > ho Posted? > > Total Posts: 155 > > User Name Posts > > snfaulkner 32 > > Biotop 25 > > Stranger On A Train 19 > > snoe 18 > > Prof. Pepperwinkle 14 > > Chronos 13 > > Johnny Bravo 11 > > Sunny Daze 8 > > Mahaloth 5 > > Dead Cat 3 > > Knowed Out 3 > > Hi, Neighbor! 3 > > Pleonast 1 > > Show Thread & Close Window ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/187 "2018-10-03T03:28:02Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Which would explain why he hasn’t posted. Harrumph. > > Oh, **Prof P**? Why d’ya include **Pleonast** in your list of posters? That looks like a straight cut and paste job. Pleo mentioned something during signup, but didn’t actually sign up. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/188 "2018-10-03T03:42:14Z")
Which explains Dead Cat also, I think. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/189 "2018-10-03T04:35:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Heh, no worries whatsoever. I thought it was clever, but I accept your apology in the spirit it was given. > > As scum desperately trying to cover his tracks, having realized how badly he’s flailing. > > \<3 😂 Cap. Doffed. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > what? and I"M a goody-goody? 😃 Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ (I will point out that my apology was on a sidebar — but all those TV shows tell me that the jury can’t be relied upon to ignore the “stricken from the record” comment, and I knew that, so…) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/190 "2018-10-03T04:37:24Z")
I’m a bit wary of biotop’s meta case. But I’m curious to see how it pans out. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/191 "2018-10-03T04:43:10Z")
To expand on my point, I think _later in the game_ biotop has a point. But not on D1. Or even D2 or 3. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/192 "2018-10-03T05:28:57Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I stayed home sick today. But when I feel a bit better I’ll talk about my butter/beer zone theory on post counts. Was there actually a butter/beer zone theory, or is this a joke I didn’t get? (Or possibly both, I guess.) ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/193 "2018-10-03T05:43:30Z")
Oh yeah. I forgot I said that. I was a bit out of it earlier. The butterzone theory…renamed beerzone by hookerchemical because we all like beer better than butter. Anyway, it relates to lynch the lurker, which has proven to not be any better than chance. Instead I’ve posited that from the d1, and maaaaybe d2, post counts, there is a higher than average chance of hitting scum in the bottom half through to a third or so players in that list. So for 10 players, the beerzone would be 6, 7, 8 lowest posters in that list. There is a lot of truthiness to it, but I have yet to be motivated enough to ever run the numbers from a large number of games. And weird games with weird powers/mechanics throw that off. As does super low participation all around such that there are a lot of ties in the lower regions of the post count Without knowing the true effectiveness of this theory, I only really look at the beerzone as like a near last resort to resolve who I should vote for. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/194 "2018-10-03T12:30:16Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > You wish you hadn’t commented instead of fighting back at me. This is what I mean by passive. It is as if you already know I am Town. No, I wish I hadn’t said anything 'cause it made you jump like a maniac. I don’t know if you are scum, but what you did is closer to “dumb vote” than scummy, at least to me. I’m not going to twist it into scum motivation, but the scummier aspect would be that you jumped so quick on my quick statement, it discourages people from speaking. Why comment on anything from any game if you are going to go “meta” on us and vote us. Not fun. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/195 "2018-10-03T12:51:01Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > No, I wish I hadn’t said anything 'cause it made you jump like a maniac. I don’t know if you are scum, but what you did is closer to “dumb vote” than scummy, at least to me. > > I’m not going to twist it into scum motivation, but the scummier aspect would be that you jumped so quick on my quick statement, it discourages people from speaking. Why comment on anything from any game if you are going to go “meta” on us and vote us. Not fun. Fear of getting votes is Scummy. Not posting for fear of votes is the whole case behind “lynch the lurker.” It’s not as if any of us have powers to protect. If we mislynch on Day 1, we then can try and see what happened, _how_ it happened. I am not scared of votes. Why should you be? If I get mislynched then it is up to the remaining Town to figure out what happened. Getting mislynched is the fault of those who vote poorly, not the victim. If you are Town and my vote gets you mislynched then I and others will try and figure out why. If my case gets me mislynched then the test of Town has to figure out why. And if, as you say, my case is “terrible” why should it bother you or discourage you from posting? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/196 "2018-10-03T12:53:15Z")
…test of Town… = …rest of Town… ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/197 "2018-10-03T13:04:10Z")
Less talk, more action. Who has yet to vote? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/198 "2018-10-03T13:40:52Z")
Okay, this time without the pre-Day posts: (as of this post) Who Posted? snfaulker 36 Biotop 27 snoe 24 Stranger On A Train 20 Prof. Pepperwinkle 19 Johnny Bravo 11 Sunny Daze 10 Mahaloth 9 Hi, Neighbor! 3 Knowed Out 2 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/199 "2018-10-03T13:43:47Z")
In snf’s Butterbeerzone would be Johnny Bravo, Sunny Daze and Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/200 "2018-10-03T13:54:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Less talk, more action. Who has yet to vote? > > Stranger The only one to not vote is Hi, Neighbor! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=11)