# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/281 "2018-10-04T01:56:29Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Weirdly, it’s not really a tie. Mahaloth has the lowest post count among the three players who have two votes, meaning Mahaloth is the lynch leader. Yep. I don’t even get what I did to deserve dying right away. I don’t want to fall into “well, better him than me” category. I really don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/282 "2018-10-04T02:00:01Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yep. I don’t even get what I did to deserve dying right away. I don’t want to fall into “well, better him than me” category. > > I really don’t get it. There’s still plenty of time for vote changes in the next 18 hours. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/283 "2018-10-04T02:01:43Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Which is why you need to just nut up and vote someone. Nobody really knows anything at this point other than some vague ‘gut feels’ and the people trying to suss out behavior from past games, which can be useless at best and used to misdirect at worst. It’s not as if you vote the wrong person that you are going to be lambasted and thrown out of the game…unless, of course, you are faking this naivety and you are actually expert scum playing everyone else with this ingenue act. > > Anyway, my advice would be to pick a name–just anybody who seems too eager or suspicious–and let the chips fall where they may. At least half of us are going to get voted out or killed by scum before the game ends, unless we get lucky in picking one scum this Day and I can convince everyone to vote **snfaulkner** on Day 2. Nobody is walking out of this town without blood on their hands. > > Stranger Your confidence in my scumnitude on D1 is…troubling. Especially since I know you are wrong. \*\* Unvote Snoe\*\* I’m going to \*\* Vote Stranger on a Train\*\* for mostly OMGUS reasons right now. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/284 "2018-10-04T02:03:04Z")
…there’s one of them now. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/285 "2018-10-04T02:04:08Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > There’s still plenty of time for vote changes in the next 18 hours. I know, I’m just surprised. I don’t think anyone has a particularly good case going. It’s almost like…a crapshoot. 😃 :ducks: ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/286 "2018-10-04T02:07:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I know, I’m just surprised. I don’t think anyone has a particularly good case going. It’s almost like…a crapshoot. > > 😃 > > :ducks: Saying D1 is a Crapshoot will only get you lynched if Sister Coyote is playing. Or LightFoot. or TexCat. Or… :ducks beside Mahaloth: Right now there seems to be this: 3 votes - Stranger On The Train 2 votes - Prof. Pepperwinkle; Mahaloth 1 vote - Sunny Daze; Johnny Bravo with Hi, Neighbor! not voting yet. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/287 "2018-10-04T02:07:35Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > There’s still plenty of time for vote changes in the next 18 hours. I’ve probably only got like 4 or 5 hours since I doubt I’ll be awake for any last minute EoD shenaniganery, ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/288 "2018-10-04T02:09:32Z")
Madame P. wants to shopping tomorrow, so I don’t know if I’ll be around either. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/289 "2018-10-04T02:42:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yep. I don’t even get what I did to deserve dying right away. I don’t want to fall into “well, better him than me” category. > > I really don’t get it. \*Little Bill Daggett : I don’t deserve this… to die like this. I was building a house. Will Munny : Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.\*For one, you voted me first, so don’t act all hurt and innocent. Second, your first post after the game started was to defend **snfaulker** who I am about 65% sure is scum, which makes you suspect. And somebody is going to die, so if it is me, I am going to do my damnedest to flush out scum with my last desperate breath. And I expect my fellow townies to come for vengeance, and they’ll be looking pretty squarely at you for jumping in on a group kill against the glint-eyed hard boiled old salt. And besides, I’m between a rock and a hard place; I either get outposted by **Pepperwinky** or target someone who already has a vote, a low post count, and who is on my shortlist, and that is you, baby. Any way it goes, I’m kind of expecting to be killed on Night 1 because I think there is a better than even chance that I’ve got both scum on my shortlist. I might be wrong–I’m probably delusional–but I’m going to play it like I’m Hercule Poirot sans the mustache, because I don’t have time for that kind of personal maintenance. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Your confidence in my scumnitude on D1 is…troubling. Especially since I know you are wrong. > \*\* > Unvote Snoe\*\* > > I’m going to \*\* > Vote Stranger on a Train\*\* > for mostly OMGUS reasons right now. \Am I, though?\ I’ve elucidated my reasons for suspicion to all and sundry, so everyone can decide for themselves if they are reasonable and well grounded. The result will illustrate whether my suspicions have merit. So choose wisely. “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine.” **Hi, Neighbor!** , you can see that at least two people (and as I would testify to it, three) have already voted for the wrong person, so really, throwing in your vote, even if at random, is no worse than the error two people together have made. You should vote someone, and I would encourage you to make it a vote that counts, e.g. someone who already has at least two votes, just to make it interesting. And if you are concerned that it could shift the current balance then you can vote me because I’m already marked for death (Steven Seagal reference totally unintentional). But take a vote or everyone is going to think you are sitting on the sidelines because you are scum. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/290 "2018-10-04T02:52:47Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > … “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possible imagine.”… Funny, I used that [quote] ([The Giraffe Boards - View Single Post - Day Two: The Haunting of Spectre's Hollow](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=1458306&postcount=126))a few games ago when I indeed had the power to haunt from beyond the grave. It…didn’t work out as well as I had hoped. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/291 "2018-10-04T03:20:10Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > To expand on my point, I think _later in the game_ biotop has a point. But not on D1. Or even D2 or 3. Could you elaborate on this? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/292 "2018-10-04T03:35:07Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Could you elaborate on this? I remember him being very assertive during the last couple days of Legoland when he was town. But in the earlier days I don’t remember much different from his normal him. He doesn’t usually last till end times, so I found it noteworthy. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/293 "2018-10-04T03:41:58Z")
**Stranger On a Train** : I am not really finding **snfaulkner** particularly Scummy, and we have now played together in games many times. This is your first game. How can you be “65% sure” he is Scum? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/294 "2018-10-04T03:54:41Z")
You have your experience and it is worth whatever it is worth as a prior (although not specifically related to this game). But his early prompting and agitating makes him suspect in my view. Plus, there is just an intangible…thing. **snfaulkner** is just a bit too clever for his own good. If he’s not scum, he’s playing a role good scum would play at pretending to be not-scum, and I have a suspicious nature. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/295 "2018-10-04T04:04:47Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > This strikes me as motivated reasoning. I’m going to > unvote Biotop > And > vote Sunny Daze. > Stranger, thanks for the effort on the vote summary. Didn’t really display well, but that may be my phone. > > Will be back later. What the heckity heck is motivated reasoning? > [@Biotop](#): > > **Stranger On a Train** : > > I am not really finding **snfaulkner** particularly Scummy, and we have now played together in games many times. This is your first game. How can you be “65% sure” he is Scum? I’m not getting it either. If you think he’s scum, you should vote for him and make the argument to the rest of us. I can understand what someone else said about voting for a leader just because you know you’re town and you don’t know that another person is, but this is twice you’ve essentially placed an OMGUS vote. You’re aggressive and you’re hunting. I would love to move my vote, but the inconsistencies are just nagging at me. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/296 "2018-10-04T04:24:56Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’m not getting it either. If you think he’s scum, you should vote for him and make the argument to the rest of us. I can understand what someone else said about voting for a leader just because you know you’re town and you don’t know that another person is, but this is twice you’ve essentially placed an OMGUS vote. I did vote for him and I elucidated my reasoning. Nobody else was in alignment, and I was put to the issue of being lynched or voting for someone else who might be lynched instead, rather than just waste my vote pointlessly whilst being eliminated. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/297 "2018-10-04T04:52:17Z")
BTW, my totally unsubstantiated suspicion is that **Chronos** picked on experienced and one neophyte player as scum just to take advantage of the “We don’t lynch newbies on Day 1” mentality. It’s certainly possible that he just picked scum at random, but with only ten players and two mafia, I wouldn’t. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/298 "2018-10-04T05:15:59Z")
**snoe** thank you for posting the history. **Stranger** apologies. I see that you did vote for snfaulkner at post 55. I am not sure where to place my vote. **Stranger** ’s behavior is odd, but explainable, and he’s definitely hunting hard. This reads as non-scum. **Prof P** is being **Prof P** , which is to say based on past games I don’t read him as scum. I don’t have a read on **Mahaloth** , but we’ve got **Biotop** ’s meta read. We have some time left. **Stranger** I am rethinking your **snfaulkner** position. I don’t agree with all of it, but I do agree that he started post-padding early. This notion, below, also stuck out in my mind on re-read. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > I stayed home sick today. But when I feel a bit better I’ll talk about my butter/beer zone theory on post counts. This theory could be an attempt to re-direct attention from the lurkers onto more active members. I am willing to join you in a vote on **snfaulkner**. **unvote Stranger On A Train** ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/299 "2018-10-04T05:35:08Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > **snoe** thank you for posting the history. > > **Stranger** apologies. I see that you did vote for snfaulkner at post 55. > > I am not sure where to place my vote. **Stranger** ’s behavior is odd, but explainable, and he’s definitely hunting hard. This reads as non-scum. **Prof P** is being **Prof P** , which is to say based on past games I don’t read him as scum. I don’t have a read on **Mahaloth** , but we’ve got **Biotop** ’s meta read. > > We have some time left. **Stranger** I am rethinking your **snfaulkner** position. I don’t agree with all of it, but I do agree that he started post-padding early. This notion, below, also stuck out in my mind on re-read. > > This theory could be an attempt to re-direct attention from the lurkers onto more active members. > > I am willing to join you in a vote on **snfaulkner**. > > **unvote Stranger On A Train** Gah! Add that to the ever growing list of things I’m not allowed to say without getting votes. I’m sick I’m busy at work I’m going to do a reread What else? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/300 "2018-10-04T05:57:02Z")
Btw, I’ve said all of these things both as town and scum. It should be a null tell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=16)