# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/301 "2018-10-04T10:21:06Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > That’s what I’m thinking. One of us noobs is going to be taken for a wild ride and kept a live on purpose. > > Scum will DEFEND us noob townies just to keep us alive as days go on. > > It’s a total mindfuck. And those sick bastards get off on that sort of thing. Okay, the “hello, fellow humans” tone of this post is ringing all sorts of alarms for me. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/302 "2018-10-04T10:51:13Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Btw, I’ve said all of these things both as town and scum. It should be a null tell. Yeah, I didn’t read that against you. My case is based strictly on your early plot-stirring and post-padding. I’d switch my vote, but since **snfaulkner** still has the highest vote count two votes won’t do it; we would need a third lyncher to make it happen. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/303 "2018-10-04T11:55:05Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I’d switch my vote, but since **snfaulkner** still has the highest vote count two votes won’t do it; we would need a third lyncher to make it happen. To be clear, if I can get one more person to switch their vote to **snfaulkner** (along with **Sunny Daze** ) I’ll switch as well as there will be three votes; otherwise it is pointless because **snfaulkner** has ramped his post count up high enough that no one can readily catch up (at least, without obnoxious post padding that I’m unwilling to engage in). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/304 "2018-10-04T12:12:24Z")
**Unvote Mahaloth** I may return there but… **Vote Hi Neighbor!** You signed up to this game. Please vote. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/305 "2018-10-04T12:13:26Z")
You are disturbing my calm! Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/306 "2018-10-04T12:23:25Z")
**Hi Neighbor** does seem to be enjoying his power as the lone holdout too much. **Unvote Professor Pepperwinkle** Vote Hi Neighbor ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/307 "2018-10-04T12:23:40Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Unvote Mahaloth** > > I may return there but… > > **Vote Hi Neighbor!** > > You signed up to this game. Please vote. I’m participating, aren’t I? But as you wish. **Vote Biotop** Re: Omgus **Were the initial roles assigned randomly or by hand?** I only ask because it wouldn’t make much sense to assign a Mafia role to a noob (especially if there are only two of them), as they’d most likely indict themselves early, thus causing the game to end rather quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/308 "2018-10-04T12:27:46Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > **Were the initial roles assigned randomly or by hand?** > > I only ask because it wouldn’t make much sense to assign a Mafia role to a noob (especially if there are only two of them), as they’d most likely indict themselves early, thus causing the game to end rather quickly. But there is a junior and senior scum, and because they can palaver in secret the senior can guide the junior. Also, the OMGUS votes are counterproductive unless you think you’ve being voted by actual scum or by a townie who is going postal and is more of a danger to the town than actual scum. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/309 "2018-10-04T12:40:39Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > I only ask because it wouldn’t make much sense to assign a Mafia role to a noob (especially if there are only two of them), as they’d most likely indict themselves early, thus causing the game to end rather quickly. The integrity of the game requires random seeding. Unless I’m told otherwise (and we won’t be told otherwise, I’m sure), everyone has an even chance to be scum. Unrelated data point: in my first ever game of Mafia, I wasn’t only Scum but I was the leader of the scum faction. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/310 "2018-10-04T12:43:02Z")
Okay, this is a real charlie foxtrot. Two of us have two votes ( **Stranger On A Train** and **Hi, Neighbor!** ), and five with one vote each ( **Biotop** , **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , **Johnny Bravo** , **Sunny Daze** , and **Mahaloth** ). I’m assuming someone is going to drop their vote on **Hi, Neighbor!** now that he has participated, which will leave me as the only player with two votes. I’m fine with being killed to benefit the town if it exposes **snfaulkner** (likely scum) or **Mahaloth** (maybe, tending toward scummy), but at this rate it isn’t going to provide any useful information, nor can I pick anyone I suspect with the expectation that they’ll actually get voted out; if I vote **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , who I have about a 30% confidence in being scum, he just countervotes and puts me over the top with three. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/311 "2018-10-04T12:50:42Z")
I think that lynching Faulkner will tell us a lot. And it has a decent chance of happening if I **unvote sunny d** vote snfaulkner ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/312 "2018-10-04T12:53:52Z")
Current list for reference, sorted in descending order for vote & post count : ```auto Player Votes Post Count Who voted 10. Stranger On A Train 2 43 Mahaloth, snfaulkner 7. Hi, Neighbor 2 12 Biotop, Knowed Out 4. Prof. Pepperwinkle 1 38 Johnny Bravo 3. Biotop 1 32 Hi, Neighbor! 9. Johnny Bravo 1 21 Prof. Pepperwinkle 5. Sunny Daze 0 19 2. Mahaloth 1 11 Stranger On A Train 1. snfaulkner 1 57 snoe 6. snoe 0 33 8. Knowed Out 0 6 ``` Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/313 "2018-10-04T12:56:58Z")
There we go! **Unvote Mahaloth** **Vote snfaulkner** Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/314 "2018-10-04T12:59:17Z")
I’m still screwed (assuming **Biotop** or **Knowed Out** drops their vote for **Hi, Neighbor!** ) but at least this is progress of some kind. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/315 "2018-10-04T13:00:36Z")
I’m taking Madame P. shopping, and don’t know if I’ll be back by the EoD, but this is one of the most up-in-the-air End-of-Days that I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/316 "2018-10-04T13:03:33Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > **Hi Neighbor** does seem to be enjoying his power as the lone holdout too much. > > **Unvote Professor Pepperwinkle** > > Vote Hi Neighbor Is there really power in that? Is there something wrong with wanting to get as much information as possible before voting? I think it’s odd to rush to votes just for the sake of voting. I definitely wasn’t holding back my vote as a “power move.” Honest answer: I’m still trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I was planning on voting today well before the day ended at 4:00 pm. I know it would have been a bad move to wait until the last minute to cast my first vote. But I didn’t realize not voting with 8 hours to go would raise so many red flags. I suppose 8 hours is a pretty brief amount of time though in Mafia terms. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/317 "2018-10-04T13:10:18Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I’m taking Madame P. shopping, and don’t know if I’ll be back by the EoD, but this is one of the most up-in-the-air End-of-Days that I’ve ever seen. Are you going to stick with your **Johnny Bravo** vote? 'Cause the way it looks now there is little likelihood that he is going to get lynched, and it doesn’t tell us anything except that you don’t want to stand out. > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > Is there really power in that? Is there something wrong with wanting to get as much information as possible before voting? I think it’s odd to rush to votes just for the sake of voting. I definitely wasn’t holding back my vote as a “power move.” > > Honest answer: I’m still trying to figure out what the hell is going on. > > I was planning on voting today well before the day ended at 4:00 pm. I know it would have been a bad move to wait until the last minute to cast my first vote. But I didn’t realize not voting with 8 hours to go would raise so many red flags. I suppose 8 hours is a pretty brief amount of time though in Mafia terms. The problem is by not voting or discussing you are not influencing anyone else’s voting, and we end up with this kind of mess of a bunch of people having a single vote. Throwing out a vote, even if it is random, gives you feedback, where just hanging back and watching other people vote makes you look like you have something to hide. \Do you have something to hide? Do you? Where is the yellowcake?\ Remember, the vote is 4:00 pm EDT. Don’t miss it because of a time zone shift. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/318 "2018-10-04T13:13:38Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > …this is one of the most up-in-the-air End-of-Days that I’ve ever seen. Reminds me of a certain Minutemen album: [3-Way Tie (For Last) - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Way_Tie_(For_Last)) We should see a third vote for Faulkner or Stranger, I hope. Neighbor is not going to tell us much unless they’re scum. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/319 "2018-10-04T14:23:31Z")
I just think it’s fun to target somebody and watch them squirm and wriggle like a worm trying to avoid the hook. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/320 "2018-10-04T14:29:07Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just think it’s fun to target somebody and watch them squirm and wriggle like a worm trying to avoid the hook. Now that was scummy. You weren’t on my list before, but now…? Stranger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=17)