# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/321 "2018-10-04T15:57:50Z")
We’re running out of daylight. I have: ```auto Player Votes Post Count Who voted 1. snfaulkner 2 57 snoe, Stranger On A Train 10. Stranger On A Train 2 47 Mahaloth, snfaulkner 7. Hi, Neighbor 2 13 Biotop, Knowed Out 4. Prof. Pepperwinkle 1 39 Johnny Bravo 3. Biotop 1 32 Hi, Neighbor! 9. Johnny Bravo 1 21 Prof. Pepperwinkle 6. snoe 0 33 5. Sunny Daze 0 19 2. Mahaloth 0 11 8. Knowed Out 0 6 ``` I think you guys voting for **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , **Biotop** , and **Johnny Bravo** need to put your heads together and decide what you really want to do, because those votes aren’t accomplishing anything as they are. Either recruit someone to your view or pick one of the high vote players ( **snfaulkner** , **Stranger On A Train** , or **Hi, Neighbor!** ) based on who you think is most scummy, otherwise you’re just whistling Dixie. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/322 "2018-10-04T16:10:35Z")
Oh, and **Sunny Daze** still needs to pick someone to vote for. It was going to be **snfaulkner** as of post [POST=“21247341”]#298[/POST] but that was a while ago so vote your conscience. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/323 "2018-10-04T16:47:50Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Now that was scummy. You weren’t on my list before, but now…? > > Stranger Holy hannah, yes they are. > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Oh, and **Sunny Daze** still needs to pick someone to vote for. It was going to be **snfaulkner** as of post [POST=“21247341”]#298[/POST] but that was a while ago so vote your conscience. > > Stranger I’m back. Buying a house today, so I’m in and out. As agreed: **vote snfaulkner** ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/324 "2018-10-04T16:54:47Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just think it’s fun to target somebody and watch them squirm and wriggle like a worm trying to avoid the hook. This could be you toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/325 "2018-10-04T16:57:31Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > We’re running out of daylight. I have: > > ```auto > > Player Votes Post Count Who voted > 1. snfaulkner 2 57 snoe, Stranger On A Train > 10. Stranger On A Train 2 47 Mahaloth, snfaulkner > 7. Hi, Neighbor 2 13 Biotop, Knowed Out > 4. Prof. Pepperwinkle 1 39 Johnny Bravo > 3. Biotop 1 32 Hi, Neighbor! > 9. Johnny Bravo 1 21 Prof. Pepperwinkle > 6. snoe 0 33 > 5. Sunny Daze 0 19 > 2. Mahaloth 0 11 > 8. Knowed Out 0 6 > > ``` > > I think you guys voting for **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , **Biotop** , and **Johnny Bravo** need to put your heads together and decide what you really want to do, because those votes aren’t accomplishing anything as they are. Either recruit someone to your view or pick one of the high vote players ( **snfaulkner** , **Stranger On A Train** , or **Hi, Neighbor!** ) based on who you think is most scummy, otherwise you’re just whistling Dixie. > > Stranger When you consider there are 3 hours left in the Day, and there is only one vote separating the lower-tier targets from the upper-tier ones, this isn’t that valid an argument. I may well change my vote by EoD. And then again… ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/326 "2018-10-04T16:58:01Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I’m back. Buying a house today, so I’m in and out. As agreed: > > **vote snfaulkner** Outstanding! Baby, we got a stew going! Now it just awaits to see what **Johnny Bravo** , **Hi, Neighbor!** , and **Prof. Pepperwinkle** are going to do. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/327 "2018-10-04T16:59:51Z")
Needless to say, the urge for shenanigans is strong… ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/328 "2018-10-04T17:08:46Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > When you consider there are 3 hours left in the Day, and there is only one vote separating the lower-tier targets from the upper-tier ones, this isn’t that valid an argument. I may well change my vote by EoD. And then again… From what I can tell, you and **Johnny Bravo** have a mutual OMGUS going, and **Hi, Neighbor!** was responding to **Biotop** , who voted him just to pressure him into doing something. At thing point, people ought to be having some stronger opinion about who is more or less likely scum, and I’d like to see enough focus to separate the vanilla from the slime. Like I said earlier, I’m not really expecting to see the new dawn, so I’m okay with being lynched, just noting that **Mahaloth** was first to do so after I gave him some stinkeye, and **snfaulkner** claims it is just retaliatory but he hasn’t been actively theorizing about anyone else. And if I’m wrong about **snfaulker** (which is possible) then I think that provides another possible clue, but we’ll see what the tasseomancy gives us at the end of the day. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/329 "2018-10-04T17:11:08Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Either recruit someone to your view or pick one of the high vote players ( **snfaulkner** , **Stranger On A Train** , or **Hi, Neighbor!** ) based on who you think is most scummy, otherwise you’re just whistling Dixie. Absolutely not. I’m under no obligation to throw my vote on a train just to pile on. If I have time before EoD I’ll review the cases against the top contenders and may or may not change my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/330 "2018-10-04T17:11:37Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Needless to say, the urge for shenanigans is strong… Shenaniganation is totally called for at this point, but I’m sticking with **snfaulkner** unless there is a persuasive reason to switch. I bend with the wind but do not break. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/331 "2018-10-04T17:39:15Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Now that was scummy. You weren’t on my list before, but now…? > > Stranger Hey, townies gossip too. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/332 "2018-10-04T18:04:38Z")
**Unvote Biotop** Unvoting \*\*Biotop \*\*because it was based on mere OMGUS reasons. Went back to review why \*\*Stranger \*\*was so stringent on voting for **snfaulkner**. It’s important to note \*\*snfaulkner \*\*cast the very first vote of the game ([#52](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237831&postcount=52)). I think that’s naturally going to draw some negative attention. And snfaulkner’s “aggressive” vote (as Stranger put it), immediately led to Stranger casting his vote ([#55](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237838&postcount=55)). Those actions actually don’t ping anything for me. It was so early in the first day, most votes are going to be based on little to nothing. And odds are, they are two towns voting for each other, and the scum is just going to roll with it. Which leads to to think the true scum is someone who voted more recently to pile on and “go with the flow” as it were. So that leads me to cast this… **Vote Sunny Daze** ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/333 "2018-10-04T18:05:12Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just think it’s fun to target somebody and watch them squirm and wriggle like a worm trying to avoid the hook. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Hey, townies gossip too. What you said isn’t gossip. I believe this is your first game per [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21227154&postcount=16](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21227154&postcount=16) – while the paranoia and general _frisson_ is part of what makes this game fun (and frustrating), keep in mind that it’s ultimately cooperative. Town can’t win if it tears itself apart. Being antagonistic can be a good strategy early, when pressure might lead to revealing mistakes, but it’s not an end in itself. And it’s a great way to get lynched, which hurts town if you’re town. (Remember, you still win even if you’re dead when your side wins.) ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/334 "2018-10-04T18:15:58Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > **Unvote Biotop** > > Unvoting \*\*Biotop \*\*because it was based on mere OMGUS reasons. > > Went back to review why \*\*Stranger \*\*was so stringent on voting for **snfaulkner**. > > It’s important to note \*\*snfaulkner \*\*cast the very first vote of the game ([#52](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237831&postcount=52)). I think that’s naturally going to draw some negative attention. And snfaulkner’s “aggressive” vote (as Stranger put it), immediately led to Stranger casting his vote ([#55](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237838&postcount=55)). > > Those actions actually don’t ping anything for me. It was so early in the first day, most votes are going to be based on little to nothing. And odds are, they are two towns voting for each other, and the scum is just going to roll with it. > > Which leads to to think the true scum is someone who voted more recently to pile on and “go with the flow” as it were. > > So that leads me to cast this… > > **Vote Sunny Daze** Looking back at [my vote summary](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21246928&postcount=265) … Sunny’s vote for Stranger in Post 233/236? It did bring Stranger to 3 votes. Definitely possible. You’re an experienced player, right, Neighbor? And I believe Sunny’s new. I can get on board with lynching Sunny, but I think snfaulkner is going to be an informative lynch, too. Let me look back over Sunny’s posts. Edit – my bad, Sunny’s not new – I think. (They used the “/in” tag.) ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/335 "2018-10-04T18:26:46Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Sunny’s vote for Stranger in Post 233/236? It did bring Stranger to 3 votes. > Definitely possible. You’re an experienced player, right, Neighbor? And I believe Sunny’s new. I consider myself a noob. Regarding my experience, I played two games (both back in 2009-10) on [The Giraffe Boards](http://www.giraffeboards.com/). The first one was maybe the first or second Mafia game ever played over there. Someone made a simple game that was inviting to noobs. I signed up figuring, “What the hell?” So there were a ton of noobs in that game, and guess what? [I, as vanilla town, was lynched the very first night](http://www.giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=85738&postcount=1). So that was my first ever experience. Good times. The second game I survived for a few days, but that’s it. I don’t remember much. I was vanilla town both games. I would still classify myself as a noob for all intents and purposes. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/336 "2018-10-04T18:27:09Z")
Yeah, Sunny’s not new (I’m sorry – I have a bad memory – this was really obvious). No, I don’t think that the vote for Stranger is particularly scummy, and I don’t see anything else in their history that is jumping out at me. I called Sunny out for “[motivated reasoning](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21246625&postcount=244)” – for the life of me, I’m not sure why I thought that. My frickin’ memory. Sunny, you asked what that phrase meant – I meant looking for reasons post-facto to justify a decision you already want to make for reasons of your own. I think I thought that your reasoning was thin; looking back now, it’s not _unusually_ thin. (All our reasoning was thin at that stage.) EDIT: So Neighbor, no – not jumping on the Sunny train, barring stronger evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/337 "2018-10-04T18:32:31Z")
**unvote Johnny Bravo** **vote Hi, Neighbor!** 'Cause SNF and Stranger are bringing more to the game than Hi. I strongly hope you get back over to the Giraffe, where there’s always a Mafia game brewing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/338 "2018-10-04T18:34:19Z")
What? Not technically a newbie? **unvote** **vote Hi, Neighbor!** per my feelings in post #301. Lest I be accused of trying to save Stranger or snfaulkner, I’ll say that Stranger pinged me pretty hard in post #321. I’ll admit to not really following the cassus belli on snfaulkner. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/339 "2018-10-04T18:35:19Z")
Hah! My vote got ninja’d! ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/340 "2018-10-04T18:35:23Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > I consider myself a noob. > > Regarding my experience, I played two games (both back in 2009-10) on [The Giraffe Boards](http://www.giraffeboards.com/). Gotcha. I think I played 2.5 games on mafiascum somewhere around 2012? I don’t really want to log back in there and check on the details because I quit my 3rd game at a time when I had some really bad stuff going on in my life. When I looked up the site to post a link to their FAQ earlier, it brought back bad memories. Still, I wouldn’t consider myself a noob, exactly. I remember some of the jargon and commonly-accepted strategies (such as they are). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=18)