# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/401 "2018-10-05T01:18:13Z")
What’s your case on HN, KO? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/402 "2018-10-05T01:25:36Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > What’s your case on HN, KO? Is it helpful to talk about this during the night? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/403 "2018-10-05T01:27:06Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Is it helpful to talk about this during the night? Knowed Out is a noobie. It’s helpful to him. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/404 "2018-10-05T02:00:55Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Knowed Out is a noobie. It’s helpful to him. As a teacher myself, I’m all for using the Socratic method. But does this kind of talk help town? Talk me into it by all means, but as I see it: scum are talking amongst themselves right now and planning whom to kill. Since there’s no voting happening right now, it seems like these kinds of questions might best be saved for daytime. ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/405 "2018-10-05T02:03:29Z")
Maybe i’m over-thinking it. But nobody has talked me out of this position yet. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/406 "2018-10-05T02:33:03Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Maybe i’m over-thinking it. But nobody has talked me out of this position yet. No, you’re not overthinking it. Normally you’d be right in saying let’s not talk at night, because normally we wouldn’t be in an All-Vanilla game. But we are. There are no secret powers that Scum have to try to find. There are no great mysteries this time around. Scum already know all there is to know. Town can only benefit from Night conversations, and it may (possibly, conceivably, if not probably) impact come dawn when one of us has been NK’d. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/407 "2018-10-05T03:05:43Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > No, you’re not overthinking it. Normally you’d be right in saying let’s not talk at night, because normally we wouldn’t be in an All-Vanilla game. But we are. There are no secret powers that Scum have to try to find. There are no great mysteries this time around. Scum already know all there is to know. Town can only benefit from Night conversations, and it may (possibly, conceivably, if not probably) impact come dawn when one of us has been NK’d. No, I disagree, strongly. Anything town discusses tonight is available to scum. They’ll see it. Town benefits from keeping relatively shtum— silent — during the night, limiting the additional information open to scum. That’s still my opinion. You haven’t convinced me to think otherwise. “_Town can only benefit from night conversations”_ — the “only” strikes me as totally false. Town can always suffer from discussion if it turns on itself. This doesn’t even require scum to intervene. “_Scum already know all there is to know._” How is this true if people keep talking. Thanks for trying to talk me out of keeping shtum, Prof, but it didn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/408 "2018-10-05T03:09:40Z")
All right. Yes, conversation can turn on itself. Valid point. But there is NO information in the game that Scum don’t already know, because this is a straight Vanilla game. They can’t gain information if they already know all of it. And my original query was directed to Knowed Out. It’s his first game, and he needs to learn by doing. I have been in a number of games where Night discussions benefited Town, and very few where Scum profited. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/409 "2018-10-05T11:14:46Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > But there is NO information in the game that Scum don’t already know, because this is a straight Vanilla game. They can’t gain information if they already know all of it. There is no information about the **game setup** which they don’t already know. If there’s a townie with a clever plan for tomorrow, they don’t know it. If there’s a townie who lurked yesterday but is planning on being the most prolific and hardest hunting player tomorrow, they don’t know that either. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/410 "2018-10-05T11:35:23Z")
Picky, picky, picky. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/411 "2018-10-05T12:00:42Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > What’s your case on HN, KO? He’s too quiet. Watch out for the quiet ones. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/412 "2018-10-05T12:13:09Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > He’s too quiet. Watch out for the quiet ones. Hmm… I had 20 posts, which is as many as you (9) and Mahaloth (11) combined. And my posts weren’t just one or two sentences, either. In fact, you had the lowest amount of posts by anyone playing in the game. So… we should watch out for you? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/413 "2018-10-05T17:06:06Z")
See? Trying to stir up trouble already. /grease noose ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/414 "2018-10-06T00:52:12Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I just think it’s fun to target somebody and watch them squirm and wriggle like a worm trying to avoid the hook. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Hey, townies gossip too. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I look at it like I’m part of the mob mentality during the Salem Witch Trials. Innocents burn just as spectacularly as the guiltys. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I lost a dog back in May. She crawled into a thatch in the back yard and died there. That’s where I buried her. I still visit her grave. > Here;s to your dog, snfaulkner. > > * * * > > Back in town, I’m dismayed that not enough agreed with me to make **Hi Neighbor** swing from the streetlamps, so I’ve still got my eye on him. You got away this time… > /points to my eyes then points at you > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > He’s too quiet. Watch out for the quiet ones. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > See? Trying to stir up trouble already. > > /grease noose Protip: Getting yourself lynched by alienating people is not good play whichever side you’re on. (_Pretending_ that you’re trying to do so might be awesome play, as long as you can pull off the not actually getting lynched part.) ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/415 "2018-10-06T00:57:36Z")
By the way, I feel confident calling out KO’s posts because ain’t nobody killing that particular mofo tonight. No way. Going to keep quiet otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/416 "2018-10-06T01:23:06Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Protip: Getting yourself lynched by alienating people is not good play whichever side you’re on. (_Pretending_ that you’re trying to do so might be awesome play, as long as you can pull off the not actually getting lynched part.) If I’m making a huge mistake, I’ll learn from it. I fully expect to fail spectacularly, so I’m just going to have fun while doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/417 "2018-10-06T06:08:30Z")
So KO is here for shits and giggles. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/418 "2018-10-06T19:26:34Z")
Ying tong iddle i po, Day should start in about 35. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/419 "2018-10-06T20:01:09Z")
The town was awakened by strange sounds coming from **Prof. Pepperwinkle** ’s house. “There! Now eat it, all of it!”, a voice exclaimed. “Um, OK, if you insist… just let me… AAARRRGGGGHHHH!!!” “Boss, I don’t know exactly what that machine was supposed to do, but I’m pretty sure that wasn’t it” “Who cares? Let’s just get out of here, pronto!” When the concerned townsfolk finally broke into the Professor’s kitchen, they found a gruesome, and bizarre, scene. Nine cans of baked beans lay piled against the front of an unearthly contraption, while a tenth whirred in a circle in a clamp at the front, its cut-off lid lying nearby. Nor was that all that whirred through the machine: What appeared at first to be pulled taffy was also making its way through the device’s interior, over and through an assortment of gears and pulleys. _Meaty_ pulled taffy. **Prof. Pepperwinkle, a Townie, is dead** , and will create no more crackpot inventions. Day 2 begins now, and will end at 4:00 EDT on Thursday. Current post counts: Stranger On A Train 66 Prof. Pepperwinkle 64 snfaulkner 61 snoe 55 Biotop 39 Johnny Bravo 31 Sunny Daze 25 Hi, Neighbor! 24 Chronos 22 Knowed Out 14 Mahaloth 13 Dead Cat 3 Pleonast 1 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/420 "2018-10-06T20:07:17Z")
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