# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/421 "2018-10-06T20:09:11Z")
**Vote Mahaloth** I should have stayed there yesterday. Frustration reaction to my vote followed by inaction. Passive Scum play I think. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/422 "2018-10-06T20:43:03Z")
Glad I never asked the Professor to mix a drink for me. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/423 "2018-10-06T21:56:22Z")
Death by taffy puller? That’s…new. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/424 "2018-10-06T21:57:46Z")
That was, er, graphic. :eek: Bye **Prof**. ☹ > [@Biotop](#): > > **Vote Mahaloth** > > I should have stayed there yesterday. Frustration reaction to my vote followed by inaction. Passive Scum play I think. Can you explain your vote? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/425 "2018-10-06T22:21:54Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Vote Mahaloth** > > I should have stayed there yesterday. Frustration reaction to my vote followed by inaction. Passive Scum play I think. Well, Biotop appears to be on a mission to lynch me. I really don’t know why, but I think his moves are so aggressive, he probably isn’t scum. He thinks I’m being passive and that my passive play makes me scum. I think he’s being way overaggressive and too determined to lynch me and I think it makes him town. :shrugs: ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/426 "2018-10-06T22:37:29Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > That was, er, graphic. :eek: Bye **Prof**. ☹ > > Can you explain your vote? Yes. I voted for **Mahaloth** because I have seen over the years he is more passive when Scum. I wanted to see his reaction yesterday to my prodding. There was frustration over my vote, but no suspicion was directed at me. No response was made directly to me even though we both know each other rather well from these boards. My case was decried by **Mahaloth** as “terrible”, but instead of responding to me, **Mahaloth** said he wished he hadn’t posted at all. Again, from my experience, Town **Mahaloth** is not afraid to make cases on Day 1 or to respond aggressively when called for. While personal reasons may have intervened, I await something to show me a player who wants to find Scum, and not a player who wants, by his own admission, not to be noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/427 "2018-10-06T23:02:20Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Yes. I voted for **Mahaloth** because I have seen over the years he is more passive when Scum. I wanted to see his reaction yesterday to my prodding. There was frustration over my vote, but no suspicion was directed at me. No response was made directly to me even though we both know each other rather well from these boards. My case was decried by **Mahaloth** as “terrible”, but instead of responding to me, **Mahaloth** said he wished he hadn’t posted at all. Again, from my experience, Town **Mahaloth** is not afraid to make cases on Day 1 or to respond aggressively when called for. While personal reasons may have intervened, I await something to show me a player who wants to find Scum, and not a player who wants, by his own admission, not to be noticed. Not that I don’t want to be noticed, I just to want to get lynched Day 1(again) for something I was just saying/commenting-on in passing. I have a reputation for getting lynched early. The reality is this, though. If you really think I’m scum and I’m being passive in this game and that my apparent passivity is a trait of scumminess, go ahead and vote me. A bad case, I think, but a case. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/428 "2018-10-07T00:17:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Not that I don’t want to be noticed, I just to want to get lynched Day 1(again) for something I was just saying/commenting-on in passing. I have a reputation for getting lynched early. That’s reasonable, but it’s not what you said earlier: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yeah, I guess. Honestly, I’m just really busy. I don’t’ have any big response, though. So were you quiet because you were really busy, or were you quiet because you were trying to avoid getting lynched early for a passing comment? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/429 "2018-10-07T00:31:53Z")
So one reason to lynch PP is that he was viewed as a threat, either generally (strong player) or specifically (targeting scum in this game). Does that sound right? I don’t have time for a deep dive now but I should on Monday. M Of course it could be a fakeout, yadda yadda, but we should try to learn something from the lynch… ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/430 "2018-10-07T00:51:27Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > So one reason to lynch PP is that he was viewed as a threat, either generally (strong player) or specifically (targeting scum in this game). Does that sound right? I don’t have time for a deep dive now but I should on Monday. M > Of course it could be a fakeout, yadda yadda, but we should try to learn something from the lynch… **Professor Pepperwinkle** had more posts than anyone else. At End of Game that could matter. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/431 "2018-10-07T01:48:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > So were you quiet because you were really busy, or were you quiet because you were trying to avoid getting lynched early for a passing comment? Both ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/432 "2018-10-07T01:51:11Z")
**Vote Mahaloth** For his odd disappearance during a crucial time. Again, his last post in Day 1 was 10/3/2018 @ 10:04 PM ([#285](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21247113&postcount=285)). From that post until the end of Day 1, it was radio silence (17 hours, 56 minutes). He had a vote locked in for Stranger all the way back on 9/30 ([#96](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21240214&postcount=96)). He then never came back in the final real-life day of Day 1 to check in and re-evaluate things, or even chime in. And thus far, the majority of his posts have been to defend himself rather than scum hunting. I mean, **Mahaloth’s** vote was basically an OMGUS because he didn’t like **Stranger’s** vote. And now we know **Stranger** is a dead Town. Perhaps **Stranger** was on to something and **Mahaloth** wanted to put a stop to that. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/433 "2018-10-07T02:17:56Z")
I really have no way to respond to anything here other than “I’m busy” and “Biotop’s case is lame”. I don’t have any hot leads or strong inclinations, either. I think the cases on me are noise and because of that noise, it can be hard to hear anything right now other than that. I don’t think Biotop is scum. I have no idea on Hi Neighbor. If I had to choose, I’d vote High Neighbor because of the second-vote thing and how the vote was determined/justified. I think Hi There wanted to vote me, so he/she went back and tried to reverse engineer justification. Found I didn’t post for 17 hours and was satisfied that it was enough. The idea of voting me preceded the found reason. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/434 "2018-10-07T03:50:52Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I really have no way to respond to anything here other than “I’m busy” and “Biotop’s case is lame”. > > I don’t have any hot leads or strong inclinations, either. I think the cases on me are noise and because of that noise, it can be hard to hear anything right now other than that. > > I don’t think Biotop is scum. I have no idea on Hi Neighbor. If I had to choose, I’d vote High Neighbor because of the second-vote thing and how the vote was determined/justified. I think Hi There wanted to vote me, so he/she went back and tried to reverse engineer justification. Found I didn’t post for 17 hours and was satisfied that it was enough. The idea of voting me preceded the found reason. At some point of course you will have to choose. You don’t have any “hot leads” or “strong inclinations.” Fine. But why aren’t you trying to get them? If Scum don’t come to you (and they usually don’t from my experience), then you have to try to go to them, right? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/435 "2018-10-07T03:56:50Z")
**Hi, Neighbor** , Can you respond to **Mahaloth** ’s post. What was your order of thinking that led to your **Mahaloth** vote. I see your reasons. I am more interested in how you came to them. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/436 "2018-10-07T17:59:46Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > You don’t have any “hot leads” or “strong inclinations.” Fine. But why aren’t you trying to get them? If Scum don’t come to you (and they usually don’t from my experience), then you have to try to go to them, right? Sorry, dude, despite being wrong, I still think Stranger was the best vote yesterday. I did vote him and never saw any case better. I’m not sure what more I can do. You are acting like I didn’t play at all and that’s just not: 1. fair 2. true You seem pretty much driven to lynch me and if you can get others to go along, I can’t stop that. You have a better case than Hi Neighbor, who clearly fabricated a case to justify putting me “two votes up”, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/437 "2018-10-07T18:04:25Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Sorry, dude, despite being wrong, I still think Stranger was the best vote yesterday. I did vote him and never saw any case better. I’m not sure what more I can do. You are acting like I didn’t play at all and that’s just not: > > 1. fair > > 2. true > > You seem pretty much driven to lynch me and if you can get others to go along, I can’t stop that. You have a better case than Hi Neighbor, who clearly fabricated a case to justify putting me “two votes up”, so to speak. I am only driven to lynch Scum. If you are not Scum then make a better case for lynching someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/438 "2018-10-07T18:09:01Z")
Has anyone looked at Prof P’s voting history yesterday? I’m with **snoe**. I probably won’t have time to look at it until tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/439 "2018-10-07T20:07:22Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > We now have less that 24 hours left in the Day. > > My reads are based solely on my gut: > > Prof. Pepperwinkle: eminently Town. > Knowed Out & Hi, Neighbor: newbies. I don’t vote newbies on D1 without substantial proof. > Mahaloth: leaning Town right now. > snoe: heavily leaning Town because he’s doing something like actual scumhunting. > Biotop: is always Neutral. I can never ever tell. > snfaulkner: leaning Town at the moment. > Stranger on the Train: Leaning Scum, but only for gut reasons. > Johnny Bravo: leaning Scum as well. > Sunny Daze: Neutral. > > [vote]Stranger On The Train[/vote] Not really much to work with here. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2018, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/440 "2018-10-07T23:29:07Z")
So are we to (supposed to) believe that he was killed because he was on to Johnny Bravo? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=23)