# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/441 "2018-10-08T00:25:54Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > So are we to (supposed to) believe that he was killed because he was on to Johnny Bravo? That is the only thing we could pull, but I find that to be not all that likely… I mean, I have zero read on Johnny Bravo, but sometimes the scum just kill whoever. I think Prof. P was talkative and that alone may have been how the choice was made. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/442 "2018-10-08T12:45:58Z")
Maybe the Prof’s cover was blown and he faked his own death. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/443 "2018-10-08T13:25:11Z")
Huh, I thought there would be a little more activity by now, but I went and tallied both votes, so here they are. Mahaloth: 2 (Biotop 421, Hi, Neighbor 432) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/444 "2018-10-08T13:41:09Z")
Chronos said that this game is more or less a coinflip with equal player skill. The only mechanic that has the potential to tilt things in one side’s favor is the tie rule. It behooves scum to get rid of talkative players. What did we do? We lynched the most talkative\* player for them. Scum then killed the second-most talkative player. I’m going by overall post counts per #419. Not bothering to do any subtraction here. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/445 "2018-10-08T15:33:14Z")
So I’ll post an updated vote summary for day one. The summary I already posted is under the spoiler tag. I colored vote summaries purple. (There weren’t many at the end, and most were done by players, including me, so I don’t necessarily trust 'em. (Just because there was a lot of activity going on.) Let me know if you see mistakes – it’s worth checking my work. [spoiler]post 52 - sfaulkner votes snoe Post 54 - snoe votes prof post 55 - stranger votes snfaulkner post 89 - biotop votes neighbor post 95 - sunny daze votes knowed out post 96 - mahaloth votes stranger post 120 - biotin un-votes neighbor post 121 -knowed out votes prof post 126 - prof unvotes snoe post 137 from Chronos: Current vote count: snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (snoe, Knowed Out) snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) Biotop: 1 (Johnny Bravo) Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) [COLOR=black]post 141 - snoe unvotes prof, votes biotop post 147 - Bravo unvotes biotop, votes prof Post 164 from Chronos: Since I have nothing better to do: snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (Knowed Out, Johnny Bravo) snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) Biotop: 1 (snoe) Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) Mahaloth: 1 (Prof. Pepperwinkle) Post 180 - biotop votes mahaloth post 201 - prof unvotes mahaloth also posts vote count: snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (Knowed Out, Johnny Bravo) snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) Biotop: 1 (snoe) Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) Mahaloth: 1 (Biotop)  post 219: prof votes stranger post 228 - stranger unvotes faulkner, votes prof Post 233 - sunny unvotes (no one?), votes stranger post 236 - sunny corrects, votes stranger post 244 - snoe unvotes biotop, votes sunny post 253 - prof unvotes stranger, votes bravo post 259 - stranger unvotes prof, votes mahaloth[/COLOR][/spoiler] [COLOR=black]283: faulkner unvotes snoe, votes stranger[/COLOR] 286: prof posts vote count: 3 votes - Stranger On The Train 2 votes - Prof. Pepperwinkle; Mahaloth 1 vote - Sunny Daze; Johnny Bravo with Hi, Neighbor! not voting yet. [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]298: Sunny unvotes stranger, expresses willingness to vote faulkner[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]304: Biotop unvotes Mahaloth, votes stranger[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]306: Knowed unvotes Prof, votes neighbor[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]307: neighbor votes biotop, labels vote OMGUS[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]311: snoe unvotes sunny, votes faulkner[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]313: stranger unvotes mahaloth, votes faulkner[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]323: sunny votes faulkner (see post 298)[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]332: neighbor unvotes biotop, votes sunny[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]337: prof unvotes bravo, votes neighbor[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]338: johnny unvotes ?, votes neighbor[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]334: johnny unvotes neighbor, votes stranger[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] EDIT: 353 stranger posts vote count 1. snfaulkner 3 snoe, Stranger On A Train, Sunny Daze 10. Stranger On A Train 3 Mahaloth, snfaulkner, Johnny Bravo 7. Hi, Neighbor 3 Biotop, Knowed Out, Prof. Pepperwinkle 5. Sunny Daze 1 Hi, Neighbor! [COLOR=black]355: snoe unvotes faulkner, votes neighbor[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]366: neighbor unvotes sunny, votes stranger – at Prof’s advice in post 364[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]368: biotop unvotes neighbor, votes stranger, with a minute to go [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/446 "2018-10-08T16:10:16Z")
**One scenario that comes to mind looking over Day 1: \*\*\*\* Biotop and Neighbor are scum.** **[SIZE=2]My vote summary just now had an error (sorry, I did it by hand): post 304 is Biotop unvoting Mahaloth and voting Neighbor, not Stranger.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]I can see a dynamic in the posts below of scum collusion. Biotop’s last-minute change was risky if they’re a scum team, but Biotop’s votes for Neighbor came at strategic times, as I look over the voting summary.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Biotop votes Neighbor right off the bat, post 89.**[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Unvotes post 120.**[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Establishes conflict early in the day, when people are fishing for info.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Biotop votes Mahaloth post 180, sits on it a long while.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Biotop switches to neighbor post 304, starting what will turn into a bus. Not a great move for a scum-mate, but could be misdirection.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] **[SIZE=2]Biotop saves neighbor with the final vote of the day, post 368.**[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2]I’m going to keep looking at other players in various combos. But I would welcome feedback \*\*[/SIZE] \*\*[SIZE=2] \*\*[/SIZE] > [@Biotop](#): > > “Knowledge is of no value unless you put it into practice.” > > **Vote Hi, Neighbor!** > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > Ah, I figured my absence would somehow garner me at least one vote. And here it is. > > Oddly enough, now that the work week has begun, I can be more active. So I guess if you voted for me based on inactivity, feel free to rescind it now. > [@Biotop](#): > > **unvote Hi, Neighbor!** > > Feel free to post something other than that you are posting. > [@Biotop](#): > > It is always good to remember Scum do not have to invent reasons when they bus a teammate. Even in a small game, do not discount bussing. > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > My argument still stands about wanting to keep noobie towns alive. > > I just found it very bizarre I still haven’t received a single vote yet. I have been lurking. I have been posting fluff (until recently). This might be the first time I make it past Day 1. > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > I’m participating, aren’t I? > > But as you wish. > > **Vote Biotop** > > Re: Omgus > > **Were the initial roles assigned randomly or by hand?** > > I only ask because it wouldn’t make much sense to assign a Mafia role to a noob (especially if there are only two of them), as they’d most likely indict themselves early, thus causing the game to end rather quickly. > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > **Unvote Biotop** > > Unvoting \*\*Biotop \*\*because it was based on mere OMGUS reasons. > > Went back to review why \*\*Stranger \*\*was so stringent on voting for **snfaulkner**. > > It’s important to note \*\*snfaulkner \*\*cast the very first vote of the game ([#52](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237831&postcount=52)). I think that’s naturally going to draw some negative attention. And snfaulkner’s “aggressive” vote (as Stranger put it), immediately led to Stranger casting his vote ([#55](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21237838&postcount=55)). > > Those actions actually don’t ping anything for me. It was so early in the first day, most votes are going to be based on little to nothing. And odds are, they are two towns voting for each other, and the scum is just going to roll with it. > > Which leads to to think the true scum is someone who voted more recently to pile on and “go with the flow” as it were. > > So that leads me to cast this… > > **Vote Sunny Daze** > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > \*\*Biotop \*\*voted for me for not voting ([#304](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21247567&postcount=304)). I did cast votes since then, but I wonder if he will return in time to reconsider. Less than an hour to go. > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > Ok, that makes sense. I mean, I could just sit around and wait for my death, but my goal is to live and help town. > > My only move at this point, with 20 minutes to go, would be to … > > **Unvote Sunny Daze** > > **Vote Stranger On A Train** > > I believe that puts us both in a tie. Since I’m way behind in post count, my only hope is to have someone switch their vote. > > I’m kind of sad we haven’t heard from \*\*Biotop \*\*since 8:12 AM this morning. > > But I suppose \*\*Stranger \*\*is also a little sad that one of his votes is from **Mahaloth** , who hasn’t posted since [10:04 PM](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21247113&postcount=285) last night. > > Not exactly going off the most recent, up-to-date information, if you ask me. > > This is why I cast my vote when I did. I think it’s a bit in bad faith to cast a vote early and never come back to check on things, especially with the end-of-the-day flurry going on. > > ETA: Corrected color on my vote. Used green by accident. This is just a quick read. EDIT: Both, but Biotop especially, made some very town-friendly posts. But scum will do that. I’m inclined to look for Leo Straussian misdirection when dealing with experienced players, especially when they are playing against players against whom they can use past games as scum-finding. (In Biotop’s case, that’s versus Mahaloth.) ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/447 "2018-10-08T16:21:55Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > My argument still stands about wanting to keep noobie towns alive. > I just found it very bizarre I still haven’t received a single vote yet. I have been lurking. I have been posting fluff (until recently). This might be the first time I make it past Day 1. I forgot to note that part of this post is false (deliberately or accidentally): Neighbor had a vote from Biotop early on in the game. Might have been forgotten. Neighbor’s self-categorization as a noob might be coloring my past readings. The dynamic of a scumpair that’s newbie and oldie seems very natural – but roles were assigned randomly. I think in a game where people have plenty of time to do research and plenty of time to make up lies … maybe we shouldn’t take experience into account too much. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/448 "2018-10-08T16:42:20Z")
Reposting my vote summary with correction to Biotop’s vote on post 304 > [@snoe](#): > > So I’ll post an updated vote summary for day one. The summary I already posted is under the spoiler tag. I colored vote summaries purple. (There weren’t many at the end, and most were done by players, including me, so I don’t necessarily trust 'em. (Just because there was a lot of activity going on.) > Let me know if you see mistakes – it’s worth checking my work. > > [spoiler]post 52 - sfaulkner votes snoe > Post 54 - snoe votes prof > post 55 - stranger votes snfaulkner > post 89 - biotop votes neighbor > post 95 - sunny daze votes knowed out > post 96 - mahaloth votes stranger > post 120 - biotin un-votes neighbor > post 121 -knowed out votes prof > post 126 - prof unvotes snoe > > post 137 from Chronos: > Current vote count: > > snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) > Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (snoe, Knowed Out) > snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) > Biotop: 1 (Johnny Bravo) > Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) > Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) > > [COLOR=black]post 141 - snoe unvotes prof, votes biotop > post 147 - Bravo unvotes biotop, votes prof > > Post 164 from Chronos: > Since I have nothing better to do: > > snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) > Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (Knowed Out, Johnny Bravo) > snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) > Biotop: 1 (snoe) > Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) > Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) > Mahaloth: 1 (Prof. Pepperwinkle) > Post 180 - biotop votes mahaloth > post 201 - prof unvotes mahaloth > also posts vote count: > snoe: 1 (snfaulkner) > Prof. Pepperwinkle: 2 (Knowed Out, Johnny Bravo) > snfaulkner: 1 (Stranger on a Train) > Biotop: 1 (snoe) > Knowed Out: 1 (Sunny Daze) > Stranger on a Train: 1 (Mahaloth) > Mahaloth: 1 (Biotop) >  > post 219: prof votes stranger > post 228 - stranger unvotes faulkner, votes prof > Post 233 - sunny unvotes (no one?), votes stranger > post 236 - sunny corrects, votes stranger > post 244 - snoe unvotes biotop, votes sunny > post 253 - prof unvotes stranger, votes bravo > post 259 - stranger unvotes prof, votes mahaloth[/COLOR][/spoiler] > [COLOR=black]283: faulkner unvotes snoe, votes stranger[/COLOR] > 286: prof posts vote count: > 3 votes - Stranger On The Train > 2 votes - Prof. Pepperwinkle; Mahaloth > 1 vote - Sunny Daze; Johnny Bravo > with Hi, Neighbor! not voting yet. > > [COLOR=black] > [/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]298: Sunny unvotes stranger, expresses willingness to vote faulkner[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]304: Biotop unvotes Mahaloth, **votes stranger EDIT: neighbor** [/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]306: Knowed unvotes Prof, votes neighbor[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]307: neighbor votes biotop, labels vote OMGUS[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]311: snoe unvotes sunny, votes faulkner[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]313: stranger unvotes mahaloth, votes faulkner[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]323: sunny votes faulkner (see post 298)[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]332: neighbor unvotes biotop, votes sunny[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]337: prof unvotes bravo, votes neighbor[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]338: johnny unvotes ?, votes neighbor[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]334: johnny unvotes neighbor, votes stranger[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black] > [/COLOR] > EDIT: 353 stranger posts vote count > > 1. snfaulkner 3 snoe, Stranger On A Train, Sunny Daze 10. Stranger On A Train 3 Mahaloth, snfaulkner, Johnny Bravo 7. Hi, Neighbor 3 Biotop, Knowed Out, Prof. Pepperwinkle 5. Sunny Daze 1 Hi, Neighbor! > [COLOR=black]355: snoe unvotes faulkner, votes neighbor[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]366: neighbor unvotes sunny, votes stranger – at Prof’s advice in post 364[/COLOR] > [COLOR=black]368: biotop unvotes neighbor, votes stranger, with a minute to go > [/COLOR] > [COLOR=black] > [/COLOR] > [COLOR=black] > [/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/449 "2018-10-08T18:47:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Oh, also, the Day 1 post totals (which might become relevant later): > > Stranger On A Train 60 > snfaulkner 57 > Prof. Pepperwinkle 50 > snoe 44 > Biotop 33 > Johnny Bravo 27 > Hi, Neighbor! 20 > Sunny Daze 20 > Chronos 8 > Mahaloth 11 > Knowed Out 9 > Dead Cat 2 > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Chronos said that this game is more or less a coinflip with equal player skill. The only mechanic that has the potential to tilt things in one side’s favor is the tie rule. It behooves scum to get rid of talkative players. > > What did we do? We lynched the most talkative\* player for them. Scum then killed the second-most talkative player. > > I’m going by overall post counts per #419. Not bothering to do any subtraction here. Chronos posted D1 post counts – I quote them above. Snfaulkner was the second-most-prolific according to that post. Not the Professor. I see the reasoning that scum would want to get rid of high-post-outliers that are town – so that scum can more easily manipulate close votes. Good point, Bravo. While I feel shitty about doing it, given what they’ve gone through with their dog, I’m going to vote snfaulkner [COLOR=Black]based on what I’ve reviewed so far.[/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/450 "2018-10-08T19:03:04Z")
We’re now at a 6 town to 2 scum stage, and if we choose wrong we’ll be 4 town to 2 scum, which is endgame. It would be nice to be sure we choose correctly today. So please scum-hunt aggressively, with cites. My vote for faulkner is gut based on a quick re-read – to provide an example of what I’m looking for from others. I don’t think Knowed Out-style humor is helpful at this point. (It was totally appropriate early in D1.) ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/451 "2018-10-08T19:12:56Z")
With no feedback on my reads so far, I’m gonna unvote snfaulkner vote knowed Knowed got confident and obnoxious late in the first day. They may have figured out that the Prof’s stated “no noobs D1” policy allowed them to break radio silence and play aggressively and obnoxiously. Which is not bad play for scum if you know you have a safe no-vote from one townie. (Did others state a “no noobs D1” policy, besides Prof?) And if, per post 448, you haven’t been voted for yet. (Right?) Talk me out of this vote. I feel more solid about it than my vote for snfaulkner. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/452 "2018-10-08T23:35:03Z")
I was busy all day and expected to find more conversation when I returned. This game is so silent, I’m almost up for just lynching the lurker. Having said that, I’m going to vote for Hi Neighbor because of the way he fabricated his vote on me. I guess any vote on someone who voted you like this will be seen as OMGUS, but I definitely think Biotop is Town because he is at least making a case on me. Hi Neighbor is just a lot more scummy than anyone else I’ve seen because of the way he reverse-engineered his justification for me. He clearly decided to vote me and went back to scramble a way to justify it. Very scummy to me. **Vote Hi, Neighbor!** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/453 "2018-10-09T00:21:03Z")
I made a full vote count because it’s easier for me to find patterns this way. No promises about when I’ll get around to actually looking for those patterns. Monday is a dirty way to start the week. Also no promises as to accuracy. It’s a lot of work making one of these. **DAY 1 VOTE COUNT** Stranger on a Train (5): Mahaloth [96], [del]Prof. P [218, -253][/del], [del]Sunny Daze [233, -298][/del], snfaulker [283], Johnny Bravo [344] Hi, Neighbor [366], Biotop [368] Hi, Neighbor! (3): [del]Biotop [89, -120],[/del], [del]Biotop [304, -368][/del], Knowed Out [306], Prof. P [337], [del]Johnny Bravo [338, -344][/del], snoe [355] snfaulkner (2): [del]Stranger on a Train [55, -228][/del], [del]snoe [311, -355][/del], Sunny Daze [323] snoe (0): [del]snfaulker [52, -283][/del], [del]Prof P. [91, -126][/del] Prof. Pepperwinkle (0): [del]snoe [54, -141],[/del] [del]Knowed Out [121, -306][/del], [del]Johnny Bravo [147, -338][/del] [del]Stranger on a Train [228, -259][/del] Biotop (0): [del]Johnny Bravo [93, -147][/del], [del]snoe [141, -244][/del], [del]Hi Neighbor [307, -332][/del] Knowed Out (0): [del]Sunny Daze [95, -233][/del] Mahaloth (0): [del]Prof. P [159, -201][/del], [del]Biotop [180, -303][/del], [del]Stranger on a Train [259, -313][/del] Sunny Daze (0): [del]snoe [244, -311][/del], [del]Hi Neighbor [332, -366][/del] Johnny Bravo (0): [del]Prof. P [253, -337][/del] ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/454 "2018-10-09T01:44:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I was busy all day and expected to find more conversation when I returned. This game is so silent, I’m almost up for just lynching the lurker. > > Having said that, I’m going to vote for Hi Neighbor because of the way he fabricated his vote on me. I guess any vote on someone who voted you like this will be seen as OMGUS, but I definitely think Biotop is Town because he is at least making a case on me. Hi Neighbor is just a lot more scummy than anyone else I’ve seen because of the way he reverse-engineered his justification for me. He clearly decided to vote me and went back to scramble a way to justify it. Very scummy to me. > > **Vote Hi, Neighbor!** Could you please point to the post(s) where Neighbor did this? (In a silent game, it falls on us all to speak up.) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/455 "2018-10-09T02:00:20Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Could you please point to the post(s) where Neighbor did this? > > (In a silent game, it falls on us all to speak up.) [It’s this post.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21252836&postcount=432) He voted not long after Biotop and to me, it reeks of deciding to vote me and then digging back in to find a reason. It’s my impression of his vote on me. Not that he genuinely felt it, but that he wanted to add a second vote to me and climbed back in to reverse-engineer a real reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/456 "2018-10-09T02:01:23Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > (In a silent game, it falls on us all to speak up.) Oh, and I think I said all of that even before I voted. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/457 "2018-10-09T02:29:49Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Could you please point to the post(s) where Neighbor did this? > > (In a silent game, it falls on us all to speak up.) > [@Mahaloth](#): > > [It’s this post.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21252836&postcount=432) > > He voted not long after Biotop and to me, it reeks of deciding to vote me and then digging back in to find a reason. It’s my impression of his vote on me. Not that he genuinely felt it, but that he wanted to add a second vote to me and climbed back in to reverse-engineer a real reason. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, and I think I said all of that even before I voted. Sorry for not knowing which vote you were talking about without a quote or cite. Also — I don’t find your argument very compelling, as stated so far. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/458 "2018-10-09T02:36:14Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Also — I don’t find your argument very compelling, as stated so far. Nah, it’s cool. If you don’t see it, you don’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/459 "2018-10-09T04:17:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I made a full vote count because it’s easier for me to find patterns this way. No promises about when I’ll get around to actually looking for those patterns. Monday is a dirty way to start the week. Also no promises as to accuracy. It’s a lot of work making one of these. > > **DAY 1 VOTE COUNT** > > Stranger on a Train (5): Mahaloth [96], [del]Prof. P [218, -253][/del], [del]Sunny Daze [233, -298][/del], snfaulker [283], Johnny Bravo [344] Hi, Neighbor [366], Biotop [368] > Hi, Neighbor! (3): [del]Biotop [89, -120],[/del], [del]Biotop [304, -368][/del], Knowed Out [306], Prof. P [337], [del]Johnny Bravo [338, -344][/del], snoe [355] > snfaulkner (2): [del]Stranger on a Train [55, -228][/del], [del]snoe [311, -355][/del], Sunny Daze [323] > snoe (0): [del]snfaulker [52, -283][/del], [del]Prof P. [91, -126][/del] > Prof. Pepperwinkle (0): [del]snoe [54, -141],[/del] [del]Knowed Out [121, -306][/del], [del]Johnny Bravo [147, -338][/del] [del]Stranger on a Train [228, -259][/del] > Biotop (0): [del]Johnny Bravo [93, -147][/del], [del]snoe [141, -244][/del], [del]Hi Neighbor [307, -332][/del] > Knowed Out (0): [del]Sunny Daze [95, -233][/del] > Mahaloth (0): [del]Prof. P [159, -201][/del], [del]Biotop [180, -303][/del], [del]Stranger on a Train [259, -313][/del] > Sunny Daze (0): [del]snoe [244, -311][/del], [del]Hi Neighbor [332, -366][/del] > Johnny Bravo (0): [del]Prof. P [253, -337][/del] Thanks for this, JB. I’m usually the one who has to do it. But the vote count robot on giraffe makes it way easier. There’s no one-off voters, so that’s a dead end. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/460 "2018-10-09T04:24:38Z")
Usually a vig or a cop would deal with a runner up, but lacking those, does that mean we should pick up the slack? Perhaps. Though maybe not for that reason alone. However, mahaloth make a good case (to me, anyway) that Hi neighbor was looking for a reason to vote mahaloth. So for now, **vote Hi, Neighbor** Oog, thanks all about my poor pup. And I’m forcing myself to play despite being distracted. My participation should be higher sa time goes on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=24)