# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/461 "2018-10-09T04:27:31Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Usually a vig or a cop would deal with a runner up, but lacking those, does that mean we should pick up the slack? Perhaps. Though maybe not for that reason alone. However, mahaloth make a good case (to me, anyway) that Hi neighbor was looking for a reason to vote mahaloth. So for now, > > **vote Hi, Neighbor** > > Oog, thanks all about my poor pup. And I’m forcing myself to play despite being distracted. My participation should be higher sa time goes on. You think the case is good? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/462 "2018-10-09T04:29:43Z")
Ok, maybe not “good”. But I can see what mahaloth is saying. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/463 "2018-10-09T04:42:00Z")
Biotop, what have you noticed from the vote record? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/464 "2018-10-09T04:56:45Z")
I also see what \*\*Mahaloth \*\* is saying. I want to hear \*\*HN \*\* explain his thought process. I asked him and am still waiting. That said, it does bother me that \*\*Mahaloth \*\* “defintely” thinks I am Town because I made a case. When I am Scum I try and make cases too. Doesn’t that seem odd to you **SNF**? Or is it just my general paranoia towards players who trust me early on? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/465 "2018-10-09T05:03:18Z")
It could be a little from column A and a little from column B. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/466 "2018-10-09T05:10:58Z")
Also, just noticed that Hi, neighborino is in the highly controversial beerzone from D1. Again, it is not slam dunk evidence by any means. Just…interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/467 "2018-10-09T05:12:13Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Biotop, what have you noticed from the vote record? Not much. I didn’t think **Professor Pepperwinkle** was particularly Scummy, but he does often draw votes early. If \*\*HN \*\* or you turn out to be Scum there will be opportunity for reevaluation. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/468 "2018-10-09T05:15:15Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Also, just noticed that Hi, neighborino is in the highly controversial beerzone from D1. Again, it is not slam dunk evidence by any means. Just…interesting. The trouble is we do not have a database of \*\*HN \*\* games to see if his play is an aberration or if the BZ is his normal level of participation. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/469 "2018-10-09T05:20:05Z")
I rarely see prof as scummy. But I see a lot of myself in him in that we both cant resist a joke and draw votes for it. Often easy scum votes. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/470 "2018-10-09T05:34:52Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I rarely see prof as scummy. But I see a lot of myself in him in that we both cant resist a joke and draw votes for it. Often easy scum votes. Yes. But **Prof. P** does tend to post less when Scum. I think that is his biggest tell. When he is Town he is quite comfortable posting a lot. Less so when Scum. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/471 "2018-10-09T05:43:00Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Yes. But **Prof. P** does tend to post less when Scum. I think that is his biggest tell. When he is Town he is quite comfortable posting a lot. Less so when Scum. Subtlety so, but yes. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/472 "2018-10-09T05:46:59Z")
Gotta go to bed. It looks like the impending hurricane is going to cut my vacation a day short. A small inconvenience to my wife and I, a lot worse for others I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/473 "2018-10-09T05:49:22Z")
Nighty night, and be safe. In the morning, let me know if you’ve picked up any scum tells on sunny yet. I think she’s only been in like 3 or 4 games with me. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/474 "2018-10-09T12:03:59Z")
I’m sticking with my original accusation. That cheery disposition and red sweater don’t fool me. **Vote Hi, Neighbor** ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/475 "2018-10-09T12:05:50Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > With no feedback on my reads so far, I’m gonna > unvote snfaulkner > vote knowed > > Knowed got confident and obnoxious late in the first day. They may have figured out that the Prof’s stated “no noobs D1” policy allowed them to break radio silence and play aggressively and obnoxiously. Which is not bad play for scum if you know you have a safe no-vote from one townie. (Did others state a “no noobs D1” policy, besides Prof?) > > And if, per post 448, you haven’t been voted for yet. (Right?) > Talk me out of this vote. I feel more solid about it than my vote for snfaulkner. Another scum trying to frame me. After we say “Bye, Neighbor,” don’t think I won’t forget this… ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/476 "2018-10-09T20:12:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [It’s this post.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21252836&postcount=432) > > He voted not long after Biotop and to me, it reeks of deciding to vote me and then digging back in to find a reason. It’s my impression of his vote on me. Not that he genuinely felt it, but that he wanted to add a second vote to me and climbed back in to reverse-engineer a real reason. How do you figure I “reverse-engineered” a reason to vote for you? I made it pretty clear towards the end of Day 1 (where you conveniently disappeared, mind you) that it irked me that you had voted for \*\*Stranger \*\*then never even came back to the thread until the following night when Stranger had already been lynched. Just go back and read post [#366](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21248571&postcount=366): > [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > But I suppose \*\*Stranger \*\*is also a little sad that one of his votes is from **Mahaloth** , who hasn’t posted since [10:04 PM](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21247113&postcount=285) last night. > > Not exactly going off the most recent, up-to-date information, if you ask me. > > This is why I cast my vote when I did. I think it’s a bit in bad faith to cast a vote early and never come back to check on things, especially with the end-of-the-day flurry going on. Had I not been in the situation I was in, I would have gladly voted for you instead. But the only way for me to possibly live was to vote for Stranger. And this, by the way, was all at the suggestion of **Prof. Pepperwinkle** ([#364](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21248540&postcount=364)). Up until that point I had not even considered a move like that and was ready to accept my fate. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/477 "2018-10-09T20:20:13Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Sorry I am late. > > **Unvote Hi Neighbor!** > > **Vote Stranger on a Train** > > The 65% thing on **snf** bugs me. I can’t believe no one is really addressing this. Does no one find it fishy? Sure, \*\*Biotop \*\*is actively doing a lot of analysis, but I think at this point even HE must be a little surprised his last minute vote isn’t getting more attention. No one seems to be talking about it. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/478 "2018-10-09T20:22:17Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Also, just noticed that Hi, neighborino is in the highly controversial beerzone from D1. Again, it is not slam dunk evidence by any means. Just…interesting. Pardon my ignorance, but what is the “beerzone”? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/479 "2018-10-09T20:29:08Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > I can’t believe no one is really addressing this. > > Does no one find it fishy? > > Sure, \*\*Biotop \*\*is actively doing a lot of analysis, but I think at this point even HE must be a little surprised his last minute vote isn’t getting more attention. No one seems to be talking about it. Why? I had a long response typed up, but I think I’d prefer you to explain what **you** find fishy about this vote. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/480 "2018-10-09T21:01:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I had a long response typed up, but I think I’d prefer you to explain what **you** find fishy about this vote. Just the fact that it was literally cast in the last minute of Day 1 and broke a tie that led to me being saved and Stranger being lynched. I mean, \*\*snoe \*\*kind of addressed it in post [#446](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21254935&postcount=446), but it didn’t really gain a lot of traction. And even after \*\*snoe \*\*broke it down like that, I am the one getting votes today? I voted \*\*Stranger \*\*, sure, but \*\*Biotop \*\*SAVED me and cast the vote that directly led to \*\*Stranger \*\*being lynched. Yet I am the one getting votes. That shit just doesn’t add up. Why would I garner votes today when \*\*Biotop \*\*made arguably the scummiest move to end Day 1? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=25)