# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/521 "2018-10-11T02:55:07Z")
Oh, jeez! That was Ridley that died then! He was our friend’s dog. Then Polly died like 2yrs ago. And now poor poor Fawn dog. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/522 "2018-10-11T03:02:07Z")
I played two other games with **Johnny Bravo** that I remember. One where **SNF** and I were Scum partners and we couldn’t talk during the Day or Night. We lost. The other was the Big Game. **Johnny Bravo** and I came down to near End Game. I was the last of 12 or so Scum. **JB** made the right call and after over three months Town won. This was also **Sunny Daze** ’s first game ever I think. She was a newbie and played a great Scum game. * * * I promise **snoe** I have a point coming… ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/523 "2018-10-11T03:08:21Z")
I’m all ears. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/524 "2018-10-11T03:19:07Z")
I was hoping **Sunny Daze** was here this evening. I wonder if she remembers the “Three Patsy” absurdness from the Big Game? That game started out with something like 50 players. Much later our Scum team was down to three players and the only Town power role out of many many roles that had not claimed was the Town “Patsy.” It was funny because players debated whether this miller-like role should claim at the beginning of the game in January, but rhe game lasted until late April and still no Patsy. We Scum decided to have two Scum ( **TexCat** and **Scathach** ) false claim Patsy at the same time the real Patsy finally claimed. Just crazy. Patsys everywhere! ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/525 "2018-10-11T03:23:20Z")
Ah yes, good times. Good times. So do you have a point? Or is [del]post padding[/del]nostalgia the point? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/526 "2018-10-11T03:31:57Z")
I remember one Scum game on Giraffe where it came down to Endgame. It was me, **Dante** and I forget who. This was **Mahaloth** ’s “Hotel of Heroes 3” game. I was dead to rights, but I convinced the other player to vote **Dante** by directly coming in voting for **Dante** and hammering. This convinced the other player to vote for **Dante** and our Scum team won despite losing two of our three members very early in the game. That’s where I learned to never give up in Mafia. But my favorite Scum game was just a few months ago. It was the Ghost game. In that game **Mahaloth** caught me dead to rights killing another player, but I talked my way out of the lynch by making up a ridiculous role claim that was believed. So much fun. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/527 "2018-10-11T03:49:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I was just responding to what someone else said. That’s ridiculous and I did not say anything close to “this game cannot be figured out”. > > A terrible and totally made up case. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Well, Biotop appears to be on a mission to lynch me. I really don’t know why, but I think his moves are so aggressive, \*\*he probably isn’t scum. He thinks I’m being passive and that my passive play makes me scum. I think he’s being way overaggressive and too determined to lynch me and I think it makes him town. \*\* > > :shrugs: > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I really have no way to respond to anything here other than “I’m busy” and “Biotop’s case is lame”. > > I don’t have any hot leads or strong inclinations, either. I think the cases on me are noise and because of that noise, it can be hard to hear anything right now other than that. > > **I don’t think Biotop is scum.** I have no idea on Hi Neighbor. If I had to choose, I’d vote High Neighbor because of the second-vote thing and how the vote was determined/justified. I think Hi There wanted to vote me, so he/she went back and tried to reverse engineer justification. Found I didn’t post for 17 hours and was satisfied that it was enough. The idea of voting me preceded the found reason. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*I don’t really Biotop would make that move as scum. \*\* > > It’s a mid-low-level amount of posts and is where scum hide out, according to the theory. I’m frequently in it, I think. I have no idea if it actually has turned out to be true. We need a beerzone spreadsheet to track if it works at all. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Relevant, but his case on me is genuine enough to still convince me he is Town. I admit you do give me doubts, though.** **Bolding above mine**. **Mahaloth** played or moderated in every one of those games I discussed. Every one. He was my Scum partner the **Johnny Bravo** space game. He moderated **HOH3** and The Big Game. He was the player who was outed me in the Ghost Game and then unvoted me after believing my false claim. Then we Scum blocked and killed Doc **Mahaloth** and won. I am not claiming to be a great or even a good player. Fourbplayers here have experience with my style of Scum game. So I ask you **SNF** , **Sunny Daze** , and **Johnny Bravo** : why, if I am Scum, is **Mahaloth** “convinced” I am Town? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/528 "2018-10-11T03:52:14Z")
Sorry for the typos above but it has been a long day. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/529 "2018-10-11T03:59:32Z")
I think you just convinced me that you’re scum. That case reeks of blueberry to me. [unvote]Hi, Neighbor![/vote] [vote]Biotop[/vote] It feels like you got a couple votes then came up with this long winded appeal to emotion to deflect attention back on to Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/530 "2018-10-11T04:00:33Z")
Bah! \*\* unvote Hi, Neighbor!\*\* **Vote Biotop** ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/531 "2018-10-11T04:02:01Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I think you just convinced me that you’re scum. That case reeks of blueberry to me. > > [unvote]Hi, Neighbor![/vote] > > [vote]Biotop[/vote] > > It feels like you got a couple votes then came up with this long winded appeal to emotion to deflect attention back on to Mahaloth. You did not answer my question. Why do you think **Mahaloth** believes I am Town? This game is not just about **Mahaloth** and I. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/532 "2018-10-11T04:03:01Z")
It is about you too, **SNF**. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/533 "2018-10-11T04:06:24Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > You did not answer my question. Why do you think **Mahaloth** believes I am Town? This game is not just about **Mahaloth** and I. I look forward to hearing anyone deal with your back-in-the-day arguments. I can’t make head nor tail of ‘em, but that’s probably on me. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/534 "2018-10-11T04:08:50Z")
Well, he could be scum, sure. OR, if you are indeed scum, he could just have mistaken gut feels. I know I do. All. the. time. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/535 "2018-10-11T04:14:45Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Well, he could be scum, sure. OR, if you are indeed scum, he could just have mistaken gut feels. I know I do. All. the. time. Funny. I seem to recall your posts in several different games that you never could completely trust me. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/536 "2018-10-11T04:15:50Z")
Yeah, because of Johnny B’s game. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/537 "2018-10-11T04:19:04Z")
And yet, even after the recent Ghost Game, **Mahaloth** is so convinced of my honesty that he posts over and over he thinks I am Town. You don’t find that odd? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/538 "2018-10-11T04:25:40Z")
If you flip town, I’ll honor your untimely murder by revisiting the mahaloth issue toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/539 "2018-10-11T04:29:02Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > If you flip town, I’ll honor your untimely murder by revisiting the mahaloth issue toMorrow. Why do you expect to be around toMorrow, I wonder? You lead in the post count. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/540 "2018-10-11T04:32:55Z")
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