# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/581 "2018-10-11T20:07:39Z")
So, hey, how about that **Biotop** guy? Maybe he made that last-minute vote switch to save a Scum teammate! Or maybe he was just engaging in some crazy scheme to make it _look_ like he was saving a Scum teammate! Or maybe it wasn’t a crazy scheme, and that’s just what he wanted us to think… That’s exactly the kind of convoluted plan a Scum **Biotop** would come up with. So we’d better lynch him! Or maybe he wasn’t Scum after all. Yeah, that one’s possible, too. **Biotop, Townie, is dead** Night 2 begins now, and will end on Saturday at 12 noon. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/582 "2018-10-11T20:12:27Z")
Post totals for Day 2: snfaulkner 29 Biotop 48 snoe 22 Johnny Bravo 14 Hi, Neighbor! 15 Sunny Daze 6 Mahaloth 16 Chronos 5 Knowed Out 6 ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/583 "2018-10-11T22:22:54Z")
Well shit. Sorry Biotop! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/584 "2018-10-11T22:58:00Z")
Damnit. I wanted to ask him a question. ☹ Sorry **Biotop**. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/585 "2018-10-12T00:04:09Z")
Sorry, Biotop. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/586 "2018-10-12T00:07:49Z")
Hopefully your death will not be in vain, Biotop. Despite my earlier bluster I do intend on posting an analysis before the night is over. We’re going to be very close to the wire toMorrow and I want to get my thoughts out there in case I don’t make it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/587 "2018-10-12T00:25:05Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Despite my earlier bluster I do intend on posting an analysis before the night is over. We’re going to be very close to the wire toMorrow and I want to get my thoughts out there in case I don’t make it. It might be wise, maybe we all should share our thoughts. Mine would be that we should lynch someone in that rush of Biotop votes. Or Hi, Neighbor, who I still suspect. Neighbor and someone in that Bio vote-block is where I think scum are. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2018, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/588 "2018-10-12T12:22:02Z")
So we’ve lynched two townies, and the third one died under mysterious circumstances. Salem all over again. In the meantime, **Hi Neighbor** is still sitting in his rocking chair, smiling a “what, me worry?” grin, wearing his joyful red sweater, reading stories to children. How has this person successfully diverted attention and caused some poor innocent to suffer the fate intended for him? Hmmmm? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/589 "2018-10-13T00:24:50Z")
I promised Biotop that I would look closely at Mahaloth, so let’s do that. Mahaloth only had one vote on D1. It was the first vote on Stranger, who we know was town. Mahaloth was the quietest overall poster on D1 as well. Basically, full-on lurking. Let’s look at every single one of his posts. These notes are purely stream-of-consciousness with no filter or analysis. D1 #85: Mahaloth strongly defends snfaulkner from Stranger on a Train. “Come on, no way.” #96: Votes Stranger for the vote previously mentioned. Comments that it’s a very quiet game. #178: Says D1 is a crapshoot. (#159: this is where Prof. P votes Mahaloth for being so quiet) #179: Says he’s really busy, and doesn’t have “any big response” for accusations of being quiet. (#180: this is where Biotop votes Mahaloth for being so quiet) #183: More talk about D1 being a crapshoot. #194: Says he wishes he hadn’t started the crapshoot conversation because it made Biotop “jump [on him] like a maniac.” #227: Just some talk about the huge game. #281: Mahaloth doesn’t understand why he has votes on him. #285: Mahaloth still doesn’t understand why he has votes on him. D2 #425: Biotop is probably town because he’s being way too aggressive to be scum. #427: Mahaloth says he was quiet because he didn’t want to get lynched early for saying something wrong. (#428: this is where Johnny Bravo points out that’s not the reason Mahaloth gave earlier) #431: Mahaloth says he had two reasons for being quiet. #433: Mahaloth has “no way to respond” to the votes on him. Also, Biotop is still town. #436: Doesn’t regret voting for stranger. Can’t stop the Biotop vote train on him. #441: Has zero readon Johnny Bravo. #452: Votes Hi, Neighbor! for “fabricating a vote on me.” #455: Gives justfication for said vote. #456: I’m not sure what this is. #458: Tells snoe that “it’s cool” if he doesn’t agree with the vote on Neighbor. #486: That Biotop guy? He’s still town. #498: Scum tends to play just like town. “Is this pretty much everyone’s experience?” #501: Have I mentioned that Biotop is town? #507, #509: Biotop-led post-padding party. #553: Mahaloth has “some doubt” about Biotop being town, but is going with his gut. Analysis to follow, maybe sooner or maybe later. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/590 "2018-10-13T00:31:31Z")
The main thing that jumps out at me is that Mahaloth was early, strong, and consistent in his defense of Biotop as town. He says in post 553 that he has ‘some doubt’ about it, but this does not line up with his posting record. I’d also like to bring up the D1 lurking. Mahaloth has two stated reasons for being quiet. Reason 1: he was very busy and has no big response for why he was lurking. Reason 2: This wasn’t given until Day 2 - he was quiet because he didn’t want to be lynched early. It is fair to point out that these reasons are not contradictory. I also notice that Mahaloth said a number of times that he simply had nothing to say about/no way to defend himself from votes on him. He did it in 281, 285, 433, and 436. Followup to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/591 "2018-10-13T00:38:16Z")
Okay. Let’s read Mahaloth’s as scum and see what fits. \*\*The Biotop defense. \*\* This was too strong, too consistent, and too sure of itself. In post #452 he votes Hi, Neighbor for “fabricating a vote” but refuses to consider Biotop town despite what Mahaloth acknowledges to be very aggressive play, accusing him of jumping on him like a maniac, and attempting to lead a train against him. Verdict: consistent with scummy perfect knowledge. **Day 1 Lurking** : Mahaloth’s reasons for lurking evolved over time. Despite having apparent multiple reasons for the lurking, he still (per his last two D1 votes) doesn’t understand why he’s being voted for. If his lurking was intentionally defense, as he claims, then posts 281 and 285 ring false. Verdict: consistent with scummy shifting motivations. **The no-defense defense.** Mahaloth says several times that he can’t defend himself from votes, even when things are looking kind of bad for him. Verdict: consistent with scum not wanting to give the appearance of “flailing.” * * * Final verdict: a scum read of Mahaloth holds up. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/592 "2018-10-13T00:47:35Z")
I never know what to say. I still think it is Hi, Neighbor! and one of the Biotop voters. No idea which Biotop voter, but one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/593 "2018-10-13T00:54:00Z")
There are current six living players who are not you. If I bold everyone in that list who is also in your scum pool (Hi, Neighbor and the Biotop voters), we get this: **SNF Sunny Daze Johnny Bravo Snoe** Knowed Out **Hi Neighbor!** In other words, everyone except Knowed Out. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/594 "2018-10-13T00:55:49Z")
Well, I would start by lynching Hi, Neighbor! tomorrow. Can we at least wait to see who survives the night, though? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/595 "2018-10-13T00:56:49Z")
By the way, to everyone else: The only reason I’m posting this is because I felt I had some insight that was worth adding before the scum kill order went in. Whether you agree or disagree with my analysis, it’s probably best to wait until dawn to say so unless you also feel the value of your comment is worth painting a target on your back. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/596 "2018-10-13T05:37:07Z")
**Johnny** thank you for putting all of that together. I’ll keep my thoughts to myself until toMorrow, as you suggest. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/597 "2018-10-13T16:10:36Z")
Vinnie: Hey, Books, what was that execution method you were telling me about? Books: Scaphism, Boss. The ancient Persians used it to kill those guilty of regicide. Vinnie: Ah, yes. Now let me see… We need to stick **snoe** to a tree with honey, and then force-feed him nails and flies, right? Books: Uh, Boss, I think you might mean that the other way around? Vinnie: Are you saying I’m mistaken? After all we’ve been through, you doubt my decisions? Books: No, no, you’ve got it exactly right, Boss. Just like you say. The villagers awoke just in time to see the honey gluing **snoe** to the tree finally give way, whereupon he fell to the ground and cracked his skull open. Three flies obligingly flew over to investigate the splattered brain matter. **snoe** , a Townie, is dead Day 3 begins now, and will end on Thursday, 18 October, at 4:00 PM. Current post counts: snfaulkner 91 Biotop 87 snoe 77 Stranger On A Train 66 Prof. Pepperwinkle 65 Johnny Bravo 51 Hi, Neighbor! 39 Mahaloth 33 Sunny Daze 33 Chronos 29 Knowed Out 21 Dead Cat 3 Pleonast 1 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/598 "2018-10-13T16:31:59Z")
**vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/599 "2018-10-13T18:28:57Z")
**Snoe** may have been innocent, but he serves as example for what happens when you cast the wrong aspersions. \>:-) I’ve suspected a certain bad apple all along, and my vote has not changed. **Vote Hi, Neighbor** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2018, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/600 "2018-10-13T19:24:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > **vote Mahaloth** Why? Just kidding, I read it. Are we about to potentially lose here? I mean, are we at lynch-or-lose at this point? Because you make a very well laid out case, but like so many, it really just stuff that happened, not stuff that means I’m scum. I won’t be around this Thursday at all, much like the last ones. This week, I have a very late Cross-Country meet that will take me away almost the entire day. I hope we don’t have a bunch of last minute shenanigans. Watch for people moving votes late. Oh, get this. I am putting Bravo in the “town” side because his case seems like one Town would make. Kind of like Biotop’s did. I could be wrong, but I really think I have a diffrent thought for today. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > **Snoe** may have been innocent, but he serves as example for what happens when you cast the wrong aspersions. \>:-) > > I’ve suspected a certain bad apple all along, and my vote has not changed. > > **[COLOR"Blue"]Vote Hi, Neighbor[/COLOR]** Yes, I think Neighbor is the way to go today. I still can see him scrolling back to find a reason to “second vote” me the other Day. **Vote Hi, Neighbor!** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=31)