# Mafia: Goontown \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754 "2018-09-22T22:54:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/141 "2018-10-01T23:28:56Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > #HePersistedUntilLynched > > Stranger Fair enough. Unvote Professor P [COLOR=“red”][COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Biotop[/COLOR][/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/142 "2018-10-01T23:31:30Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Fair enough. > > Unvote Professor P > [COLOR=“red”][COLOR=“Blue”]Vote Biotop[/COLOR][/COLOR] Care to explain why the biotop vote? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/143 "2018-10-01T23:44:26Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Care to explain why the biotop vote? Since you asked so politely, neighbor, sure: I think Biotop might be scum based on their posts so far. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/144 "2018-10-01T23:52:15Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Since you asked so politely, neighbor, sure: I think Biotop might be scum based on their posts so far. 🙂 You think incorrectly. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/145 "2018-10-01T23:56:52Z")
Don’t tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. (Note: This and previous Chekov/Shakespeare quotes shamelessly lifted from quotation sites and alas not the product of any special literary familiarity.) ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/146 "2018-10-02T00:00:45Z")
Which means **snoe** , explain yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/147 "2018-10-02T00:05:47Z")
_puts on knockoff Sherlock Homes novelty hat_ My working theory, seeing as how I already got a weird vibe from Prof P. **Snoe** , a “rather inexperienced” player, threw an early throwaway vote on fellow scummer **Professor Perripepperpuddle**. Seeing Chronos’s votecount and a fair bit of squinting at **Professor Poodlepopper** , **snoe** panicked and switched their vote! **unvote Biotop** **vote Professor Pepperwinkle** ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/148 "2018-10-02T00:15:19Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Care to explain why the biotop vote? > [@Biotop](#): > > You think incorrectly. > [@Biotop](#): > > Don’t tell me the moon is shining; show me the glint of light on broken glass. > > (Note: This and previous Chekov/Shakespeare quotes shamelessly lifted from quotation sites and alas not the product of any special literary familiarity.) > [@Biotop](#): > > Which means **snoe** , explain yourself. I think I made it pretty clear a while back why I had negative reactions to the early posts by Biotop and PP. For those who’ve forgotten, will post links to my own posts in my next post. And frankly, I resent all this “justify your existence” shit on Day One. Go pick on someone else, both of you. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > _puts on knockoff Sherlock Homes novelty hat_ > > My working theory, seeing as how I already got a weird vibe from Prof P. > > **Snoe** , a “rather inexperienced” player, threw an early throwaway vote on fellow scummer **Professor Perripepperpuddle**. Seeing Chronos’s votecount and a fair bit of squinting at **Professor Poodlepopper** , **snoe** panicked and switched their vote! No, Shit-Sherlock ;). But with so little to go on, good show nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/149 "2018-10-02T00:17:09Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I like the post-promoting mechanic. It means lurkers are penalized. This is good for Town. Tomorrow (Saturday), however, is one of Madame Pepperwinkle’s art shows, so I won’t be on much or at all. Sunday I should catch up, though. > [@snoe](#): > > Emphasis added. Ugh, goody-goodies. A real townie wouldn’t talk like that. Here’s me side-eyeing Prof P. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/150 "2018-10-02T00:19:16Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Yes. Because while I don’t want to game the system, I don’t want my team to lose the game. > [@snoe](#): > > Oy. Is all this townie cosplay typical? _Gilmore Girls_ fans will get what I mean when I say I get a real [Taylor Doose](http://gilmoregirls.wikia.com/wiki/Taylor_Doose) vibe from these comments from Biotop and the Prof. And here’s why Biotop was on my list. For those who forgot, or just wanted to press me. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/151 "2018-10-02T00:23:39Z")
This statement would be true no matter my side. Why do you read it as Scummy? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/152 "2018-10-02T00:38:29Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > This statement would be true no matter my side. Why do you read it as Scummy? 1)With little else to go on, it strikes me as performative. Maybe that’s your thing, though. Chances are I’m wrong. I have a ~5/6 chance of being wrong just using chance; with relatively little voting behavior to go on, I doubt I’m doing much better than chance. 1. I happen to think voting is a)our democratic right as citizens of the town - town or scum; b) a useful tool for putting pressure on players who seem suspicious. 2. Why, Biotop and Faulkner, do _you_ have such a problem when I exercise my franchise without proffering a detailed explanation at the time of voting? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/153 "2018-10-02T00:43:05Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > 1)With little else to go on, it strikes me as performative. > > Maybe that’s your thing, though. Chances are I’m wrong. I have a ~5/6 chance of being wrong just using chance; with relatively little voting behavior to go on, I doubt I’m doing much better than chance. > > 1. I happen to think voting is a)our democratic right as citizens of the town - town or scum; b) a useful tool for putting pressure on players who seem suspicious. > > 2. Why, Biotop and Faulkner, do _you_ have such a problem when I exercise my franchise without proffering a detailed explanation at the time of voting? I did. See that bit just after my vote… > [@snfaulkner](#): > > So vote for him if you think so. Yeah, it’s a bit early and we haven’t heard from everybody yet. But I tend to agree with the esteemed professor. More yakety yak is good for town. > > I don’t really know you or your play stylez, but let’s get things going! > > **vote snoe** > > For not backing up his words with action. Also, to break the ice. At first it was a bit of a pressure vote and to break the ice. But I think I’ll keep my vote there for now as you seem to be flailing a bit under said pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/154 "2018-10-02T01:03:40Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > 1)With little else to go on, it strikes me as performative. > > Maybe that’s your thing, though. Chances are I’m wrong. I have a ~5/6 chance of being wrong just using chance; with relatively little voting behavior to go on, I doubt I’m doing much better than chance. > > 1. I happen to think voting is a)our democratic right as citizens of the town - town or scum; b) a useful tool for putting pressure on players who seem suspicious. > > 2. Why, Biotop and Faulkner, do _you_ have such a problem when I exercise my franchise without proffering a detailed explanation at the time of voting? I am trying to judge you on sincerity. Anyone can vote. I prefer to try and judge motives. This is not merely a game of chance. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/155 "2018-10-02T01:40:03Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I am trying to judge you on sincerity. Anyone can vote. I prefer to try and judge motives. This is not merely a game of chance. Yeah, it is by no means a game of chance. I’ve tried a number of ways in the last couple o’ years to use statistical advantages… and they just don’t work. We’re all too clever by half for that. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/156 "2018-10-02T01:41:28Z")
Speaking of statistics, I’m past due to post: W > [@](#): > > ho Posted? > Total Posts: 155 > User Name Posts > snfaulkner 32 > Biotop 25 > Stranger On A Train 19 > snoe 18 > Prof. Pepperwinkle 14 > Chronos 13 > Johnny Bravo 11 > Sunny Daze 8 > Mahaloth 5 > Dead Cat 3 > Knowed Out 3 > Hi, Neighbor! 3 > Pleonast 1 > Show Thread & Close Window ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/157 "2018-10-02T01:53:32Z")
Unofficial vote count ('cause I’m helpful like that): 2 totally undeserved votes - Prof. Pepperwinkle (all around nice guy) 1 vote each - snoe, snfaulkner, Knowed Out, Stranger on a Train, Biotop We still have three days. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/158 "2018-10-02T01:54:42Z")
BTW, snfaulkner and Biotop leading the post count means nothing either way. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/159 "2018-10-02T01:58:02Z")
**vote Mahaloth** for being even quieter than usual. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754/160 "2018-10-02T02:02:12Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > BTW, snfaulkner and Biotop leading the post count means nothing either way. Scum are highly moviated to agitate other people and set them against one another. Have you never seen a Coen brothers movie? Stranger [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-goontown-game-over/821754.md?page=9)