# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Incorrigible

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 14, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676 "2011-03-14T17:51:25Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 21

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**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/401 "2011-03-24T18:55:51Z")

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For what it’s worth, I considered promoting TexCat to ExOp to take the Captain’s chair in my stead, but I can’t really come up with a compelling reason for townies to accept this move. I realized I wouldn’t, either, on the other side, barring confirmed town status.

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**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/402 "2011-03-24T19:07:47Z")

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Day One Final Vote Count

All Votes by Voting Player  
**Hal Briston** =\> [del]fluiddruid (74-392)[/del], [del]TexCat (74-392)[/del], [del]peekercpa (74-392)[/del], [del]Mahaloth (74-392)[/del], Normal Phase (392), fubbleskag (392).  
**fluiddruid** =\> Natlaw (286), peekercpa (286), Mahaloth (286), [del]Red Skeezix (286-364)[/del], Drain Bead (364).  
**TexCat** =\> Hal Briston (241), Idle Thoughts (241), Drain Bead (342), Stanislaus (342).  
**peekercpa** =\> [del]Normal Phase (65-126)[/del], [del]Stanislaus (65-126)[/del], [del]fubbleskag (65-126)[/del], [del]Normal Phase (126-275)[/del], [del]Hal Briston (126-275)[/del], [del]Drain Bead (126-275)[/del], Idle Thoughts (237), [del]Inner Stickler (275-346)[/del], Hal Briston (276), [del]peekercpa (276-346)[/del], Mahaloth (346), fubbleskag (346).  
**Mahaloth** =\> Hal Briston (284), [del]Idle Thoughts (284-371)[/del], peekercpa (284), [del]glowacks (284-365)[/del], fluiddruid (365), glowacks (371).  
**Inner Stickler** =\> Hal Briston (223), Crackrat (223), [del]Idle Thoughts (223-287)[/del], Normal Phase (223), Drain Bead (287).  
**Red Skeezix** =\> Hal Briston (173), [del]Idle Thoughts (244-289)[/del], [del]Inner Stickler (244-289)[/del], fluiddruid (289), Stanislaus (289), Drain Bead (289).  
**glowacks** =\> [del]Idle Thoughts (291-399)[/del], Hal Briston (291), NAF1138 (291), [del]Drain Bead (291-399)[/del], Mahaloth (399), fubbleskag (399).  
**Normal Phase** =\> [del]NAF1138 (72-92)[/del], [del]Stanislaus (72-92)[/del], [del]peekercpa (72-92)[/del], [del]Drain Bead (72-92)[/del], [del]Drain Bead (258-375)[/del], [del]Crackrat (261-318)[/del], Hal Briston (362), fubbleskag (362), [del]Normal Phase (362-397)[/del], fluiddruid (375), Red Skeezix (397).  
**Natlaw** =\> [del]Inner Stickler (254-294)[/del], Idle Thoughts (255), [del]Hal Briston (267-394)[/del], [del]peekercpa (267-324)[/del], fluiddruid (294), [del]Drain Bead (324-352)[/del], Mahaloth (352), Drain Bead (394).  
**fubbleskag** =\> Idle Thoughts (320), peekercpa (320), NAF1138 (320), Drain Bead (320).  
**Crackrat** =\> [del]Inner Stickler (279-311)[/del], Idle Thoughts (323), Mahaloth (323), Hal Briston (339), Drain Bead (339).  
**Stanislaus** =\> Idle Thoughts (312), fubbleskag (332), TexCat (333), Mahaloth (334).  
**Drain Bead** =\> no votes.  
**Idle Thoughts** =\> peekercpa (235), [del]Red Skeezix (235-319)[/del], [del]Inner Stickler (235-288)[/del], Natlaw (235), Hal Briston (368), Drain Bead (368).  
**NAF1138** =\> [del]glowacks (299-317)[/del], peekercpa (302), fluiddruid (305), [del]Stanislaus (309-359)[/del], Drain Bead (359), fubbleskag (360).

Net Votes  
**Drain Bead** (9) \<= fluiddruid, TexCat, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, Natlaw, fubbleskag, Crackrat, Idle Thoughts, NAF1138.  
**Hal Briston** (9) \<= TexCat, peekercpa, Mahaloth, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, glowacks, Normal Phase, Crackrat, Idle Thoughts.  
**Mahaloth** (6) \<= fluiddruid, peekercpa, glowacks, Natlaw, Crackrat, Stanislaus.  
**Idle Thoughts** (6) \<= TexCat, peekercpa, Natlaw, fubbleskag, Crackrat, Stanislaus.  
**peekercpa** (5) \<= fluiddruid, Mahaloth, fubbleskag, Idle Thoughts, NAF1138.  
**fubbleskag** (5) \<= peekercpa, glowacks, Normal Phase, Stanislaus, NAF1138.  
**fluiddruid** (5) \<= Mahaloth, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase, Natlaw, NAF1138.  
**Natlaw** (2) \<= fluiddruid, Idle Thoughts.  
**Stanislaus** (2) \<= TexCat, Red Skeezix.  
**NAF1138** (2) \<= glowacks, fubbleskag.  
**glowacks** (1) \<= Mahaloth.  
**Crackrat** (1) \<= Inner Stickler.  
**Normal Phase** (1) \<= Inner Stickler.  
**Red Skeezix** (1) \<= Normal Phase.  
**TexCat** (1) \<= Stanislaus.

With 16 players eligible to vote, 8 votes are needed to space. With these votes, **Drain Bead** is spaced.

**Drain Bead** was Loyal Crew.

Night One Ranks

1. **Hal Briston** - Captain
2. **fluiddruid** - Executive Officer
3. **TexCat** - Chief of Security
4. **peekercpa** - Head of Engineering
5. **Mahaloth** - Ships’s Doctor
6. **Inner Stickler**
7. **Red Skeezix**
8. **glowacks**
9. **Normal Phase**
10. **Natlaw**
11. **fubbleskag**
12. **Crackrat**
13. **Stanislaus**
14. **Idle Thoughts**
15. **NAF1138**

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/403 "2011-03-24T19:09:06Z")

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Well that’s about the worst of all possible worlds, isn’t it? _grumble_

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**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/404 "2011-03-24T19:09:42Z")

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Day Two will begin Friday, Mar 25, at 12 noon PT (3pm ET).

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/405 "2011-03-24T19:10:06Z")

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**Pleo, what’s the tie-breaker again?**

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**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/406 "2011-03-24T19:12:52Z")

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Ties are broken by the rank of the voters. The highest ranked voter for **Drain Bead** was above the highest ranked voter for **Hal Briston**.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/407 "2011-03-24T21:05:54Z")

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well that sucks a big ol’ fat hairy one.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/408 "2011-03-24T21:18:29Z")

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> [@Pleonast](#):
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> **Drain Bead** was Loyal Crew.

\<snipped\>

scum tell.

loyal is not underlined.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/409 "2011-03-24T22:55:39Z")

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So, I’ve been thinking about this post that Pleonast made in my previous game(Hotel of Heroes). I waited until now to mention it since Day was/is more for lynch decisions and so forth.

Anyway, he posted the following post:

[Pleonast’s post in that game.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13363960&postcount=238)

In that post, he critiqued me by saying that my request not to obsess on breaking the game since it is discouraging to new players. He said:

> [@](#):
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> [That]is out of line for a moderator to say, in my opinion. It’s the moderator’s job to implement the rules, not to tell players how to play.

Now, in this game, we have been told that we are discouraged to have Night strategy, which seems to be oddly similar in that it is a guideline and request, not a direct order/rule.

So, basically, we have open Night strategy, right? We don’t have to stop talking strategy at Night since it isn’t a rule, right?

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/410 "2011-03-24T23:18:34Z")

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sure **maha**. whatever.

results?

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [March 24, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/411 "2011-03-24T23:51:22Z")

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I take it as “take a break folks, everyone needs a rest”, personally. But yeah. Results?

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**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/412 "2011-03-25T00:01:37Z")

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I just want to point out that if Inner Stickler was to be arranged to receive the doctor’s results, the proper procedure would have been for fluiddruid to swap him with Mahaloth after (or for that matter prior to) Mahaloth making his choice. The lynch, even if it had been Hal Briston lynched, would not have changed anything. Inner Stickler would have gotten the doctor’s results and then also acted as the Engineer during the night (had Hal Briston been lynched); or gotten the doctor’s results and remained doctor otherwise.

Since I had it backwards myself, I find it hard to blame fluiddruid for not making this move (despite suspecting her on other grounds), but going forward this is something that really needs to be kept straight. If Inner Stickler is in fact town, we’ve missed a golden opportunity here.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/413 "2011-03-25T00:03:49Z")

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\*\*Ship’s Doctor examination result

Idle Thoughts is Loyal.  
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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/414 "2011-03-25T00:19:51Z")

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Tell me something I don’t know. 😛  
But seriously, thanks for investigating.  
Now watch me be Night-killed. : p

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**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/415 "2011-03-25T04:53:11Z")

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> [@Normal\_Phase](#):
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> I take it as “take a break folks, everyone needs a rest”, personally. But yeah. Results?

What I have seen is that when there is no enforced fluff night, players discuss to the death the events of the day at night and then there is no talking the next day.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/416 "2011-03-25T12:05:16Z")

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couple of thoughts since i don’t expect to survive the Night.

first, i think using engineering as a testing ground for alignment makes sense. as long as we have confirmable town (or better yet confirmed town) they should never occupy this position. if they do in fact land there then the promoter/demoter needs to use their Day power to get them out.

second, i am a great proponent of lurker lynching. however, going after one on Day 1 is something i have only done as scum. i typically will give folks a little benefit of the doubt on participation out of the gate. using that as a primary decision lynch making tool this early reeks of scum opportunism. coupled with this is some of the justification for some lame ass votes (no offense intended). i think most of the folks that play this game are a heck of a lot more astute than letting their alignment dictate their play style.

crap, minor emergency. back in a bit.

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**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/417 "2011-03-25T13:20:13Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
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> So, basically, we have open Night strategy, right? We don’t have to stop talking strategy at Night since it isn’t a rule, right?

At Night, Floyd performs maintenance. Please let Floyd through. Watch the tram car please.

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**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/418 "2011-03-25T17:38:55Z")

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Well fuck fuckkity fuck fuck fuck. When I didn’t get back to finish out my voting post, I figured “Well, hell with it – I’ll be spaced and even though finding scum would be a helluvalot better, my lynching would be about as good a bad kill as there is”.

Or, it could go in a complete other direction.

Well, my apologies for my Day 1 uselessness – I’ll do everything in my power to be of more use Tomorrow (and I’m sure I’ll be here, since there’s no way in hell scum are nightkilling a heavily-suspected townie).

> [@Scuba\_Ben](#):
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> Watch the tram car please.

If I didn’t know you were from around here before, I would now. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/419 "2011-03-25T19:06:40Z")

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**Natlaw** is killed and was Loyal Crew.

Day Two Crew

1. **Hal Briston** - Captain
2. **fluiddruid** - Executive Officer
3. **TexCat** - Chief of Security
4. **peekercpa** - Head of Engineering
5. **Idle Thoughts** - Ship’s Doctor
6. **Mahaloth**
7. **Inner Stickler**
8. **Red Skeezix**
9. **glowacks**
10. **Normal Phase**
11. **fubbleskag**
12. **Crackrat**
13. **Stanislaus**
14. **NAF1138**

With for Mutinous crew remaining, each player must vote for 4 players in order for their votes to count. With 14 crew eligible to vote, 7 votes are need to space. The Day will on Wed, Mar 30 at 12 noon PT (3pm ET).

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**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/420 "2011-03-25T19:08:42Z")

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I used my power last Night to make myself the ships Doctor.

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