# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Incorrigible **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 14, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676 "2011-03-14T17:51:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/521 "2011-03-30T16:20:07Z")
I’m pretty sure I remember that being true from last game. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/522 "2011-03-30T16:46:34Z")
Is there anyone still playing and not voting for fluiddruid or Mahaloth who has an opinion on them? Lynching town is bad. Not lynching anyone is worse. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/523 "2011-03-30T16:57:58Z")
I voted **Hal** first thing this morning. **Vote: fluiddruid** I started a WOW, but gave up halfway through, but do want to point out this. > [@fluiddruid](#): > > Consider the current conditions. It’s very likely at this point that Hal will die; if I demote him, he’ll only get re-promoted to the slot again. Inner Stickler becoming Doctor is one of the few benefits to killing Hal, in my mind, and as I stated; subverting that makes no sense. One of the few benefits? I would have thought the benefit to killing Hal would be getting rid of scum. **Vote: Mahaloth** His votes for glowacks look like scum searching for an easy place to put their votes. Mahaloth’s vote reasons do not seem to stand up to much scrutiny. \*\*Vote: texcat \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/524 "2011-03-30T17:10:20Z")
Day Two Vote Count All Votes by Voting Player **Hal Briston** =\> no votes. **fluiddruid** =\> no votes. **TexCat** =\> Hal Briston (428), fluiddruid (523), Mahaloth (523), TexCat (523). **peekercpa** =\> [del]fubbleskag (458-483)[/del], Hal Briston (458), Mahaloth (458), fluiddruid (458), NAF1138 (483). **Idle Thoughts** =\> glowacks (459). **Mahaloth** =\> Stanislaus (507), Hal Briston (510), glowacks (510). **Inner Stickler** =\> fluiddruid (515), Hal Briston (515), Mahaloth (515), Red Skeezix (515). **Red Skeezix** =\> fluiddruid (476), NAF1138 (476), Hal Briston (476), glowacks (476). **glowacks** =\> Mahaloth (477), [del]fubbleskag (477-482)[/del], TexCat (477), Crackrat (477), Stanislaus (482). **Normal Phase** =\> [del]fubbleskag (426-494)[/del], fluiddruid (426), Mahaloth (426), [del]Hal Briston (426-466)[/del], NAF1138 (466), Normal Phase (494). **fubbleskag** =\> no votes. **Crackrat** =\> [del]fubbleskag (473-481)[/del], Hal Briston (473), Mahaloth (473), Normal Phase (473), fluiddruid (518). **Stanislaus** =\> [del]fubbleskag (456-484)[/del], Mahaloth (503), TexCat (503), fluiddruid (503), Crackrat (503). **NAF1138** =\> peekercpa (464), Normal Phase (464). Net Votes **fluiddruid** (7) \<= TexCat, peekercpa, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase, Crackrat, Stanislaus. **Mahaloth** (7) \<= TexCat, peekercpa, Inner Stickler, glowacks, Normal Phase, Crackrat, Stanislaus. **Hal Briston** (5) \<= TexCat, peekercpa, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, Crackrat. **TexCat** (3) \<= TexCat, glowacks, Stanislaus. **NAF1138** (3) \<= peekercpa, Red Skeezix, Normal Phase. **Crackrat** (2) \<= glowacks, Stanislaus. **Normal Phase** (2) \<= Normal Phase, Crackrat. **Red Skeezix** (1) \<= Inner Stickler. **glowacks** (1) \<= Red Skeezix. **Stanislaus** (1) \<= glowacks. With 14 players eligible to vote, 7 votes are needed to space. With these votes, **fluiddruid** will be spaced. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/525 "2011-03-30T17:16:46Z")
Crap, guys, I lost track of things here and literally didn’t realize until about 30 seconds ago that the day was ending so soon. I’ve been reviewing the thread all morning and just got to today’s stuff. Info dump time, sorry it’s fast and loose here. I won’t bother to defend myself as time is short and I’d rather point out my thoughts on scum. I believe peekercpa is our best scum candidate. In very brief terms, here are my notes. He’s incredibly inconsistent and his votes are ill-defended. For example, he votes for me for a semi-metagame vote: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13623322&postcount=458](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13623322&postcount=458) For the record, both Mahaloth and NAF1138 had already done so as well: Mahaloth votes for metagame on Peeker: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13602948&postcount=284](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13602948&postcount=284) NAF1138 does same: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13604596&postcount=302](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13604596&postcount=302) His vote for me today was OMGUS, so was this vote for NAF1138: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13626309&postcount=483](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13626309&postcount=483) The fact that his votes exactly copy Normal Phase (who has been very helpful and logical in his arguments, in my opinion), also concerns me. The fact that he espouses lynch the lurker in this post: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13612776&postcount=416](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13612776&postcount=416) … but yet has done little to nothing to point out lurkers is also a concern to me. **vote peekercpa** ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/526 "2011-03-30T17:19:14Z")
For various reasons I also believe Mahaloth to be scum. I don’t feel that he’s adequately defending his votes and to say the least, I feel mischaracterized. Post here, for the record: **vote mahaloth** If I’m wrong, lynch me. But I’m not giving up a chance on scum when I know I’m town. I am also issuing the following votes to make my votes count, largely due to low participation. **vote crackrat** **vote texcat** ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/527 "2011-03-30T17:25:34Z")
On second thought. **unvote TexCat** **vote Hal Briston** We’d learn more from a Hal lynch and he’s more of a lurker, in my completely off-the-cuff calculation. More in a sec. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/528 "2011-03-30T17:30:14Z")
In reviewing the thread I found that Normal Phase made some very good points about peeker. Peeker does have a history of voting for vote leaders. Today is no exception, but here’s NP’s post on the subject. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13608912&postcount=362](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13608912&postcount=362) I also give Normal Phase’s objection to what was essentially a smear campaign against Idle (in [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13622381&postcount=455](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13622381&postcount=455)) a “hell yes”. Peeker was a participant here as well (for the record, so were Texcat and Glowacks). All of this is just more fuel to the fire. Vote Peeker, ya’ll. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/529 "2011-03-30T17:34:17Z")
Now that I’ve gone through a bunch of my notes and I’ll need more time to prepare a longer case on Mahaloth than I have, I’m going to address some concerns. Inner Stickler: “I would like to see fluiddruid lynched as well. She is not talking nearly enough for an officer, especially given that she is using her power in strange ways.” I understand the criticism of my participation, though I will not, for the record, lie about real life things to win. That’s fine though. I do categorically object to a different participation requirement for officers. Everyone should have the same expectation of participation and I don’t think that officers (Town-oriented ones, at least) have any more information about who is scum than anyone else, which ultimately should be the focus of the discussion. Tomorrow, if I live, I’m happy to discuss the promotion power. I don’t plan to use it today at this point. stanislaus: “I don’t care if she did acknowledge that she was lynching a lurker (over, essentially, another lurker). It was still a very anti-town thing to do.” I have to turn this back on you. If you’re against lynching the lurker, then where are your votes for others doing the same thing? If you believe my case is special, then why is it special? Explain specifically, and I’ll be happy to respond. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/530 "2011-03-30T17:37:14Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > fluiddruid stops in just long enough to ask about mod-killing someone who has said they’re no longer going to be putting in any effort, but doesn’t say anything else. Hasn’t said anything else for quite a while despite garnering a few votes, yet manages to post a comment about NAF’s activity. While I can appreciate if this game is getting slowed down by people having too many other commitments to properly attend to the game, it seems very shady. I’m not going to vote because I trust that people aren’t lying about their life outside of the game, but I’m certainly more concerned. I really don’t like this post, and believe it or not, it’s not entirely an OMGUS response. 🙂 My problem here is that it’s smearing, and if you’re town then it’s not constructive behavior. If your post is essentially a “well, I’m not going to vote for you, but I think everyone should know this negative thing about you that could be possible but I’m not sure”… it’s smearing. If it’s significant then vote, unless you have such a strong case on 4 other candidates that it’s not possible. In which case, you should still consider my other posts and weigh them towards your consideration, along with your current concern, and make an argument why it isn’t enough of a concern to vote. I hate to give a person a raw deal for not voting for me, but this post makes me concerned, and (should I survive) I plan to go back and review your posts for scummihood. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/531 "2011-03-30T17:38:26Z")
Also: who is getting investigated, doc? ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/532 "2011-03-30T17:45:39Z")
A bit more time. Mahaloth has pretty much limited his participation toDay to defending himself, voting for someone who voted for him (Stanislaus) on very questionable terms, and this incredibly short vote defense: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13630765&postcount=510](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13630765&postcount=510) He is not adequately defending his votes and seems very tight lipped for a townie to me. More posts from him: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13609205&postcount=365](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13609205&postcount=365) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13609259&postcount=371](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13609259&postcount=371) I just don’t buy it. He’s present, he’s posting, but everything is self-serving or defensive, or put out in the most simple, black and white terms. I can’t get this posting pattern in a townie context. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/533 "2011-03-30T17:46:50Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > In reviewing the thread I found that Normal Phase made some very good points about peeker. > > Peeker does have a history of voting for vote leaders. \ being the first and second votes on people that end up being the leaders, you mean. woot woot the fracking woot. i can now predict the future. either that or i am just damn good at picking people that other folks find scummy as well. _whispers to **fluid** _ you do realize the post that you link to indicates that **normal** thinks that the folks voting for me are full of shit. probably not the best reference for you to make in support of your vote. just a suggestion is all. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/534 "2011-03-30T17:47:13Z")
In summary I feel like Mahaloth has felt the heat from yesterday and is avoiding sticking his neck out as much as possible. (Yes, I know, pot kettle black, but I’m doing my best in the time I’ve got left!) His voting for three people thus far doesn’t strike me the right way either. I feel like he’s hedging his bets. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/535 "2011-03-30T17:49:14Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > _whispers to **fluid** _ you do realize the post that you link to indicates that **normal** thinks that the folks voting for me are full of shit. probably not the best reference for you to make in support of your vote. just a suggestion is all. I’m not going to censor critics or opposing voices. I just didn’t want to take credit for his point. If you want the sum of my entire case, it’s all laid out, no need to nitpick a single issue and then run off. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/536 "2011-03-30T17:50:01Z")
Also, it’s worth noting, peeker: you can unvote. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/537 "2011-03-30T17:51:26Z")
With that I must go. Good luck Town, whatever happens. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/538 "2011-03-30T17:59:09Z")
**Examine Normal Phase** I don’t like her style of play in this game. She seems to be more subtle this time around when she’s usually more logical, plus why vote for yourself? That’s like wasting a vote. It makes no sense. With that, she’s one of the forerunners of suspects in my mind. As to who to vote for… I was considering examining Mahaloth, but he’s in the lead with votes, and why waste an examination on him when a lynching will also show what side he’s on? **Vote Mahaloth** **Vote Hal Briston** , who needs to either get in here or be lynched/demoted, since he’s disappeared and is of no use to us gone. The rest of the players: fluiddruid TexCat peekercpa Inner Stickler Red Skeezix Normal Phase fubbleskag Crackrat Stanislaus NAF1138 I’m not going to vote for NAF or IS because of the claims on the table. Not going to vote for Normal Phase, because I’m investigating her. Not going to vote for fluiddruid because (although she might be scum) I haven’t seen anything suspicious and she was the only one yesterDay who seemed to show any sense over the bandwagon on me. Peeker and RS I both voted for yesterDay, RS for only voting for one person (a thing I now know is okay) and Peeker for voting for imaginary people (which he’s not doing today), so I don’t think I’ll be voting for either of them toDay. That leaves: TexCat fubbleskag Crackrat Stanislaus This rightly sucks because I don’t really have any suspicions of ANY of these leftover players. None of them have really tripped my radar for any reason, so it’ll basically be akin to a random vote. I guess I’ll go with fubbleskag, who isn’t voting for anyone yet today. **Vote fubbleskag.** Weak as hell vote, I fully admit, but I want the other votes to count. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/539 "2011-03-30T17:59:17Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > Also, it’s worth noting, peeker: you can unvote. well since we agree on two of our votes and since i know your vote on me is wrong i don’t think that following your advice woud be prudent. unless you are that usure of your votes and want to try and convince me that you agreeing with me was kind of a bad move on your part because your reasoning was so faulty as to make it readily apparant that they were crappy votes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676/540 "2011-03-30T18:02:07Z")
**Vote peeker** - Not confident on this one, but I need a fourth vote for my votes to count. Peeker just seems off to me, not his usual self. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-incorrigible/574676.md?page=28)