# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/181 "2009-08-11T18:14:56Z")
I’m going to have to go right down to the wire with the promotion/demotion order. My only motivation is keeping Chronos out of the engineer slot tonight and the doctor slot tomorrow. I have no great suspicion against anyone else who might be affected, except as described below. Here is what I intend to do. If I am to be spaced: Promote **Chronos**. As I mentioned before, this would result in the following hierarchy for the evening: Captain **ColdPhoenix** XO **Ichini Sanshigo** Security **Chronos** Engineer **Inner Stickler** Doctor **Cookies** If no one is spaced, then if I promote Chronos, we wind up with this: Captain **ColdPhoenix** XO **Normal Phase** Security **Ichini Sanshigo** Engineer **Chronos** Doctor **Inner Stickler** Not acceptable to me. If I do nothing, it would be: Captain **ColdPhoenix** XO **Normal Phase** Security **Ichini Sanshigo** Engineer **Inner Stickler** Doctor **Chronos** Okay for tonight, but Chronos is doctor again tomorrow unless another officer is killed. There’s decent odds of that even if Chronos is Scum (depending who else is Scum with him), so this may be acceptable. If I demote Chronos, we get: Captain **ColdPhoenix** XO **Normal Phase** Security **Ichini Sanshigo** Engineer **Inner Stickler** Doctor **Cookies** “first ensign” **Chronos** In this case, the Scum have to kill an officer to get Chronos back into the Doctor position – but as I said, they are likely to do that anyway, so it would reveal little. All in all I think if no one is to be lynched I will do nothing. Force the Scum to act against their own probable best interests if they want **Chronos** to keep his position as Doctor instead of Cookies moving up (whether that’s because he is Scum or because they want to take advantage of my suspicion to make him look bad). As for suspicions regarding other people who might be affected. I have a vote in against **ColdPhoenix** , but he can’t do anything without **Ichini Sanshigo** ’s help in one scenario, and I have no suspicions against him. In the other, **Chronos** could be Security, but while I have suspicions against both halves of the equation there, I think I am not right about both of them, since **ColdPhoenix** accused **Chronos** quite early on. So that’s also OK. And I have no qualms about **Cookies** at the moment, either. That leaves **Inner Stickler**. I’m a little uneasy about **Chronos** leaving him out of his discussions of possible officer examinations. But I can’t keep them both out of sensitive positions, so I’ll have to hope it’s not indicative of anything in particular. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/182 "2009-08-11T18:24:02Z")
This is a lot of information to be digesting at the wrong time. I’m certainly willing to target Chronos if I end up in the Doctor slot. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/183 "2009-08-11T18:24:58Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Okay. **Scuba Ben** , you’re in little danger – it appears it’s either going to be me or no-one. Everyone has placed at least one substantive vote, and there is little room left for swings. Now you can decide whether you prefer me dead, or if you’d rather stick to your own word about unvoting those who expressed a preference for shifting Chronos around rather than arresting him. We’ve gotten just about as much information as it’s possible to get, and it’s just a matter of whether you _really_ think I’m Scum or not. Up to you. I desperately want to unvote you as I don’t think you’re Scum, and because of my referred-to reason. But given (a) my Mafiascum history and (b) the vote count, I’m forced to decide between lynching you and no-lynch. Here on Day 1, we need information. Information. Information! And it seems to me that the only way to get info is to lynch somebody. I’d rather lynch you than lynch myself. So: I have no idea who may be Scum. I only know I’m not Scum, and I’m not getting any better at finding Scum. Sorry **Normal Phase** , but it looks like you get lynched. Please suggest some improvements to my game play and Scum hunting on your way out, mmm? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/184 "2009-08-11T18:28:56Z")
I’ve said pretty much everything I have to say. Promotion post for Chronos is cued up and waiting, just holding it so no one can sneak anything in to change things at the last minute. Or unless someone else decides to unvote me, must add that. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/185 "2009-08-11T18:43:15Z")
Well, are you going to promote him or what? If so, is there much point in executing the arrest order? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/186 "2009-08-11T18:45:24Z")
I will promote him, in about ten minutes, unless someone unvotes me in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/187 "2009-08-11T18:50:28Z")
I will need to have an examination ready for a short sliver of time, in that case, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/188 "2009-08-11T18:52:25Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > That leaves **Inner Stickler**. I’m a little uneasy about **Chronos** leaving him out of his discussions of possible officer examinations. But I can’t keep them both out of sensitive positions, so I’ll have to hope it’s not indicative of anything in particular. Normal Phase brings up a good point. Would Engineer Inner Stickler have made for a good exam candidate? Structurally, it seems to me we need a trusted person as Doctor – which means we need the higher officers to be generally considered Loyal. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/189 "2009-08-11T18:52:29Z")
As Doctor, you mean? No, the order is already in, and as I understand it, it can’t be changed after it’s made, even if the Doctor himself is changed. In any case the promotion doesn’t take effect until after the spacing; and it’s the spacing that will put you into the Doctor position, not me switching **Chronos** and **Inner Stickler** around. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/190 "2009-08-11T18:54:23Z")
ABWOP: I think, **Cookies** , that **Chronos** has used the Doc’s exam Day power already. But in case I’m wrong, feel free to examine someone. I suggest a choice between me and **Cold Phoenix** as the other top vote-getters. I do not make any suggestion to Engineer-designate **Inner Stickler** as to whom to monitor. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/191 "2009-08-11T18:54:39Z")
Ok good, because that would have sucked if I wasn’t able to be here. Back to anxiously waiting. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/192 "2009-08-11T18:55:55Z")
**promote Chronos** Have fun, all, and hope to see some of you again in the next one. Vive le Town! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/193 "2009-08-11T19:03:26Z")
Day One Final Vote Count 10 players outside the Brig =\> 6 votes to lynch. **Normal Phase** is spaced. **Normal Phase** (6): Scuba\_Ben [70], DiggitCamara [131], Chronos [150], ColdPhoenix [156], Inner Stickler [158], Darth Sensitive [176]. **ColdPhoenix** (4): Scuba\_Ben [70], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], Normal Phase [120], Inner Stickler [158]. **Scuba\_Ben** (4): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-89][/del], [del]Darth Sensitive [79-174][/del], Normal Phase [83], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [137], ColdPhoenix [156], Hal Briston [175]. **Darth Sensitive** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Chronos [93], Ichini Sanshigo [168]. **Inner Stickler** (2): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]Normal Phase [146-178][/del], ColdPhoenix [156]. **Hal Briston** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]Normal Phase [120-132+146-178][/del], ColdPhoenix [156]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-116][/del]. **DiggitCamara** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70]. **Chronos** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-94][/del], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-100][/del]. **Ichini Sanshigo** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-148][/del]. Doctor **Chronos** is examining **Ichini Sanshigo** [130]. XO **Normal Phase** promotes **Chronos** [192]. Outstanding arrest warrants: **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169]. The Loyal crew-member **Normal Phase** dutifully steps into the frigid night, choosing to die a peaceful death of oxygen deprivation. The crew list for Night One is 1. ColdPhoenix – Captain 2. Ichini Sanshigo – Executive Officer 3. Chronos – Chief of Security 4. Inner Stickler – Head of Engineering 5. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Ship’s Doctor 6. DiggitCamara – Crew-member 7. Hal Briston – Crew-member 8. Darth Sensitive – Crew-member 9. Scuba\_Ben – Crew-member Night One ends on Wednesday August 12 at noon PT (3pm ET). ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/194 "2009-08-11T19:06:21Z")
Well that sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/195 "2009-08-11T19:12:19Z")
Blech. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/196 "2009-08-11T19:31:50Z")
Nuts. Sorry Normal Phase. I hope we do better Tomorrow. Since the ruleset discourages strategy talk at night, describe your Day, in character. Me: Swab the deck. Swab the deck. Swab the deck. Swab the deck. Clean out the airlock. Swab the deck. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/197 "2009-08-11T19:33:34Z")
**Rules Clarification** The reporting of the results of the Doctor’s examination are specifically exempted from the no strategy at Night rule. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/198 "2009-08-11T19:36:09Z")
Ah thanks, Oh Most Worthy GM **Pleo**. That’s a very useful clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/199 "2009-08-11T20:09:57Z")
Given that clarification: **Ichini Sanshigo is loyal**. And dammit, Jim, I’m a doctor, not a… \ Not a policeman! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/200 "2009-08-12T19:06:56Z")
The stardate should be incrementing any time now, right? (I was going to say “The sun should be coming up”, but, well, you know) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=11)