# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/201 "2009-08-12T19:13:14Z")
An uneventful Night passes without incident. Except for Loyal Hacker **DiggitCamara** being processed by the waste reclamation system. The Day Two duty roster is01. ColdPhoenix – Captain 02. Chronos – Executive Officer 03. Inner Stickler – Chief of Security 04. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Head of Engineering 05. Ichini Sanshigo – Ship’s Doctor 06. Hal Briston – Crew-member 07. Darth Sensitive – Crew-member 08. Scuba\_Ben – Crew-memberThere seems to have been a glitch in the ship’s computer. So it goes… The current vote count, carried over from Day One is Day Two Current Vote Count 8 players outside the Brig =\> 5 votes to lynch. **ColdPhoenix** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], Inner Stickler [158]. **Scuba\_Ben** (3): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-89][/del], [del]Darth Sensitive [79-174][/del], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [137], ColdPhoenix [156], Hal Briston [175]. **Darth Sensitive** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Chronos [93], Ichini Sanshigo [168]. **Inner Stickler** (2): Scuba\_Ben [70], ColdPhoenix [156]. **Hal Briston** (2): Scuba\_Ben [70], ColdPhoenix [156]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-116][/del]. **DiggitCamara** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70]. **Chronos** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-94][/del], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-100][/del]. **Ichini Sanshigo** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-148][/del]. Arrest warrants: **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169]. Day Two ends on Monday August 17 at 12 noon PT (3pm ET). ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/202 "2009-08-12T19:30:30Z")
Two down… and I’ve still not much of a clue on who the scum are. Any ideas what a hacker could do? ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/203 "2009-08-12T19:38:33Z")
> [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Two down… and I’ve still not much of a clue on who the scum are. > > Any ideas what a hacker could do? Usually that’d be my clue to tell you. I’m Dead, however, so I won’t. Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/204 "2009-08-12T19:46:55Z")
Bye Diggit ☹ Well, according to my notes, Ichini is not where I expected to find him in the rankings this morning, and the color indicates a computer glitch. Looks like Diggit and Ichini may have switched places, and then Diggit was killed, or Diggit was killed and then Ichini was somehow demoted? With the mention of the glitch in the color, I’d lean slightly toward the former, but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/205 "2009-08-12T19:49:56Z")
Well, given that we “appear to have had a glitch in the ship’s computer”, and that there is no other explanation in the offering for how **Ichini** got bumped all the way from XO to Doctor, I’m guessing that a Hacker has some sort of power to modify ranks. I think our public roles are supposed to be more powerful than the secret ones, and what **Diggit** apparently did seems to have been much more powerful than what the XO does, so I’m guessing that his power either had a limited number of uses, or some random element to it. Speaking of secret roles: My PM reads > [@](#): > > **SS Insipid Role** > You are a loyal crew-member. You win when all mutineers are dead. > > You were school Mates with Scuba\_Ben. You trust them implicitly and know they must be loyal crew-members. I didn’t want to have to reveal this first Day, and indeed managed to avoid it (though it got pretty close there for a while). But with how small this game is, and **Scuba** still being under pretty high suspicion, I don’t think I should sit on it any longer. **Scuba** , I presume you got a similar message in your PM; if so, now is the time to say so. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/206 "2009-08-12T20:07:15Z")
Hmm. Posited: The game would be quite well balanced with the roles as shown, plus one pro-town mystery role (which we can assume was “the hacker”). This makes the existence of a Mason group unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. _If_ **Chronos** and **Scuba\_Ben** were the scum, then my, wouldn’t this be a nice way of making themselves look pretty damn good. I very well could be way off base, but it’s a possibility that we can’t afford to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/207 "2009-08-12T20:12:05Z")
The thought certainly crossed my mind as well. Even if either of them are confirmed by a Doctor, unless there is at least one dead scum by that point, I will be taking the claim(s) with a grain of salt unless one of them turns up as confirmed dead loyal crew. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/208 "2009-08-12T20:22:23Z")
I think \*\*Ichini \*\*should examine **Chronos**. Then if he says \*\*Chronos \*\*is town all of **Chronos** , \*\*Ichini \*\*and \*\*Scuba \*\*are confirmed town or all of **Chronos** , \*\*Ichini \*\*and \*\*Scuba \*\*are confirmed scum. If he says Chronos is scum then \*\*Chronos \*\*and \*\*Scuba \*\*are scum. I think. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/209 "2009-08-12T20:23:44Z")
Who was the engineer? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/210 "2009-08-12T20:37:20Z")
> [@](#): > > I think Ichini should examine Chronos. > > Then if he says Chronos is town all of Chronos, Ichini and Scuba are confirmed town or all of Chronos, Ichini and Scuba are confirmed scum. > > If he says Chronos is scum then Chronos and Scuba are scum. > > I think. Not a bad idea in principle (especially since I now have a pretty high rank), but I feel obligated to point out that **Scuba** hasn’t yet confirmed what I said. From the publicly-available information, it’s still possible that I’m Scum but **Scuba** is Town (of course, I know that that’s not the case, and I’m guessing that **Scuba** does also and will shortly confirm). I also think that it might yield more information, on the whole, to spread the network of Doctor claims a little wider, and investigate someone else instead, but I’m not sure on that. I’ll run some numbers on it. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/211 "2009-08-12T20:48:14Z")
This is – unexpected. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to reveal Yesterday, and it was indeed close. **I am a mason, school Mates with Chronos**. My role PM is identical to Chronos’s, except for having his name instead of mine. I’m going to have to sit down and think things through. I certainly didn’t expect votes to carry over. **Unvote everybody** I partially support **ColdPhoenix** ’s plan. Ichini could create a group of three mutually confirming players. Or he could attempt to add a fourth into the group. There is also the possibility of other Loyal private roles. If there is a fourth Loyal private role, they might want to avoid revealing for another Daycycle. The other point to wait for is the results of Engineer **Inner Stickler** ’s monitoring. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/212 "2009-08-12T20:49:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Not a bad idea in principle (especially since I now have a pretty high rank), but I feel obligated to point out that **Scuba** hasn’t yet confirmed what I said. From the publicly-available information, it’s still possible that I’m Scum but **Scuba** is Town (of course, I know that that’s not the case, and I’m guessing that **Scuba** does also and will shortly confirm). Perhaps, but I don’t think you’d have said that if you didn’t have an idea that both you and Scuba were of the same allegiance. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/213 "2009-08-12T20:51:48Z")
For completeness: > [@](#): > > **SS Insipid Role** > You are a loyal crew-member. You win when all mutineers are dead. > > You were school Mates with Chronos. You trust them implicitly and know they must be loyal crew-members. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/214 "2009-08-12T21:05:56Z")
Inner Stickler was in the Engineer’s seat last Night. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/215 "2009-08-13T00:07:35Z")
Could Inner have been black-ops-brigged? I’d expect that to be in the color somewhere though. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/216 "2009-08-13T00:33:43Z")
Even if he were somehow, folks in the brig can still talk. And I presume we’d find out if he’d had his tongue cut out or something. I’m guessing his current absence is attributable to… absence. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/217 "2009-08-13T00:56:46Z")
The Borg has no sympathy for lack of intravenous connectivity. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/218 "2009-08-13T07:43:43Z")
A few questions: Why did they kill someone of such a low rank? Does that mean that scum is either **Hal** , \*\*Darth \*\*or **Scuba**? Or did they kill him because they knew he had a secret role? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/219 "2009-08-13T13:01:11Z")
> [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > A few questions: > > Why did they kill someone of such a low rank? Does that mean that scum is either **Hal** , \*\*Darth \*\*or **Scuba**? > > Or did they kill him because they knew he had a secret role? It’s highly unlikely that Hal, Darth and myself are all Scum. If I am Scum, then Chronos must also be Scum, for we have claimed as masons. Given that claim, Chronos and I assert three Loyalists – I count three because Chronos pronounced Ichini as Loyal. If we can get a fourth asserted-Loyal player, then come Tomorrow we have a very good chance of breaking the game open. There’s almost certainly either two or three Scum. If three, then we have one mislynch remaining. But a two mislynch game would be terribly short. Still, it would help for a Mutie to die Tonight. Like **ColdPhoenix** , I am curious why **DiggitCamera** was lynched. But as I’m (asserted to be) Loyal, I can’t speak for the Scum. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/220 "2009-08-13T14:59:10Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > It’s highly unlikely that Hal, Darth and myself are all Scum. If I am Scum, then Chronos must also be Scum, for we have claimed as masons. > > Given that claim, Chronos and I assert three Loyalists – I count three because Chronos pronounced Ichini as Loyal. > > If we can get a fourth asserted-Loyal player, then come Tomorrow we have a very good chance of breaking the game open. I don’t think that Hal, Darth and you are all scum but just that at least one of you probably is. There’s no way that I can see to get 4 assertedly loyal players by tomorrow. If the doctor tests someone other than yourself or Chronos then we’ve only got your word that you’re not scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=12)