# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/241 "2009-08-14T19:07:42Z")
Aaargh! I’m sorry for the delay, and my general lurkiness during this game. I thought I’d have enough time, but I misunderestimated my workload. I’m inclined to Vote **Darth Sensitive** because I still have the same suspicions of him that I had yesterday. Upon reading the recent posts I’m torn between trying to confirm one of the school chums **Chronos** and **Scuba** , or trying to investigate someone else. If there’s only 2 scum, then this faux-mason ploy is a pretty good one. If there are no real masons, there’s no one to counter our masquerading scum. That alone makes me want to investigate **Chronos** or **Scuba** badly. On the other hand, since they’ve claimed mason-status, they’ve marked themselves for further scrutiny by all (note the arrest warrant on **Chronos** ), and my investigative efforts might be better spent on confirming another crew member. There’s 8 players. I’ve been confirmed as loyal, so 7 players to investigate, with 1 to 3 possible scum. That’s approximately a 14% to 43% chance of detecting scum versus 57% to 86% chance of confirming town. Is my power best spent trying looking for scum among the non-masons? Or should I try to confirm the masons? Would that ultimately be a waste, since **Chronos** also has a warrant out? Since I’ve been typing awhile, I’m going to post this, and see if **Inner Stickler** has executed the arrest warrant yet. The jets flying outside my window are really loud and distracting. Someone should tell those pilots that there’s no sound in space. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/242 "2009-08-14T19:11:51Z")
I just checked back, saw **Ichini** ’s post, and had a very bad thought: Ichini, did your workload drag you away all Night long, such that you forgot to use your Engineer’s authority to monitor someone? (prepares a {{trout}}) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/243 "2009-08-14T19:12:04Z")
You haven’t been confirmed, Ichini. You have had testimony put forth by a player who is unconfirmed. And the arrest warrant has been in place since Day 1, prior to the Mason claims. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/244 "2009-08-14T19:13:04Z")
And Ichini wasn’t the Engineer last Night. Inner Stickler was. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/245 "2009-08-14T19:14:39Z")
[del] **examine Chronos** [/del] I would ask that **Inner Stickler** hold off on arresting our XO until I post the result. If he’s loyal, the arrest warrant can be used on… Wait, orders can’t be rescinded, can they? You know what? **examine Scuba Ben** If he’s guilty, we lynch him and jail Chronos, and it’s win-win. If not, well, we’ve got 2 more solidly confirmed loyal crew members. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/246 "2009-08-14T19:17:32Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > And Ichini wasn’t the Engineer last Night. Inner Stickler was. :smack::smack::smack: I thought I knew that. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/247 "2009-08-14T20:19:57Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > If not, well, we’ve got 2 more solidly confirmed loyal crew members. Not quite, all three of you could be scum. I would have said it’s unlikely, but claims that something is/would be confirmed when it’s not makes me suspicious. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/248 "2009-08-14T20:40:03Z")
Quoth **Scuba\_Ben** : > [@](#): > > There is another option to Cookies’s plan. If Ichini remains unaccounted for, demote em and let Hal investigate someone. Moot now that **Ichini** has showed up, but that wouldn’t work. Promotions or demotions don’t take effect until after the lynch. **Ichini** , it should be noted that examining me is exactly equivalent to examining **Scuba** , since we’ve both confirmed each other. If either one of us were to come up guilty, we both would, and likewise if either came up innocent. So you didn’t need to dither about which one of us was better to investigate. And my philosophy on Detective investigations is that the Detective shouldn’t a priori try specifically to nab a Scum or specifically to confirm a Town, but to investigate the person he or she is least certain about. If you’re already mostly certain about someone’s alignment, then you’ll probably get very little additional information from an investigation. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/249 "2009-08-14T23:43:22Z")
We’re about to depart for the weekend, but I will be able to keep up with things and contribute as needed while away. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/250 "2009-08-15T07:21:44Z")
In response to the examination: \*\* Unvote Scuba\_Ben\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/251 "2009-08-15T18:08:39Z")
Oh, and I thought I asked this before, but it looks like I didn’t: **Ichini** , will you be online during the Night? Since doctors are now allowed to report their results at Night, there’s no problem with the same person being Doctor and Engineer, so I’m inclined to promote you, as long as you’ll be able to do the Engineering watching. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/252 "2009-08-15T19:13:15Z")
The beginning of next week is going to be a bit hectic, but I should find the time to get online. Now I’m wondering if I should have investigated **Cookies** , who seems to have benefitted from that strange computer glitch. Dagnabit! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/253 "2009-08-16T03:32:13Z")
> [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > In response to the examination: > \*\* > Unvote Scuba\_Ben\*\* And given that that removes my only reason for voting for em, **Unvote ColdPhoenix** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/254 "2009-08-16T03:33:31Z")
We have under 40 hours to go, and I don’t think anybody’s said anything that makes me suspect them. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/255 "2009-08-16T15:40:50Z")
I think I forgot to unvote **ColdPhoenix** , too, come to think of it. **Unvote ColdPhoenix** My vote on **Hal** stands, though, since he actually used the mason claim itself as a basis of suspicion. Yes, it should be taken with a grain of salt, but Town should always give Mason claims the benefit of the doubt for at least a Day. Meanwhile, it’s really looking like **Inner Stickler** isn’t coming back. If he’s Town, we’re pretty much screwed: With him not participating, and if we have two Scum, we need each and every genuine Townie to agree on the lynch or we lose right now, and if there are three Scum and he’s a Townie and not playing, then we’ve already lost and just haven’t found out yet. So our only real hope for winning is if he’s Scum. Ordinarily, he might be a good candidate for the Brig, except with himself as Security, that’s not going to happen. So I think our only hope, faint though it be, is to **Vote Inner Stickler** **Scuba** , if you can’t find a case, then you might consider doing like you did yesterDay, and just vote for everyone except yourself, me, and **Ichini**. Another Townie abstaining from the vote is pretty much guaranteed to sink us. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/256 "2009-08-16T15:43:04Z")
Pleo, I know you don’t do substitutions, but can you PM Stickler to remind him that he’s in the game? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/257 "2009-08-16T19:59:42Z")
\*\*Vote Inner Vote Darth Vote Hal \*\* Lurking sucks, especially with such close margins of error when we need everyone’s views and potentially key investigation results being denied to us as well. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/258 "2009-08-16T23:37:25Z")
Coming back to the game after a hectic as hell move in/training week. At least I’m now in my dorm with reliable internet. So. I’m summarizing my thoughts on the day. \*\*Chronos \*\*(as doc) confirms **Ichini**. \*\*Chronos \*\*and \*\*Scuba \*\*confirm each other as masons. Then \*\*Ichini \*\*goes to examine **scuba**. So if we can confirm one of them then they’re all confirmed - but we most likely need to lose one for solid proof, or we can get another doc to confirm, as 4 scum working together would already have a win. It’s a terribly ballsy play for 3 scum to make that play, so I’m inclined to trust them, but I’m stilling keeping a suspicious mind. If we can get somebody who isn’t those three into the doctor spot, I’d be a whole lot more comfortable. It’s probably preferable that someone who’s alignment we know ends up in the engineer spot, which makes the promoting **Ichini** to engineer, making **DarkCookie** the future doc slightly preferable to putting **Hal** there with \*\*Ichini \*\*as the head ensign. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/259 "2009-08-17T00:23:49Z")
**Unvote Darth** That seems reasonable, but I’m still inclined to target you if I were the Doc. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/260 "2009-08-17T00:24:49Z")
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