# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/321 "2009-08-18T22:19:59Z")
> [@](#): > > The thing is, Chronos, the promotion doesn’t take effect until end of Day-cycle. So Stickler could still have thrown you into the brig and forced us to waste actions Today to let you out. Yes, and that would have sucked. But at least it would have been possible for Town to release me. Again, though, I realize too late that I made the wrong move. As soon as **Stickler** threw me in the brig, he would have been out of the Security position, and his successor (presumably **Cookies** ) would have had the power to release me. This mistake, again, was due to me not having long enough to think it over. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/322 "2009-08-18T22:36:06Z")
If we started with a vastly overpowered 4 Mutineers, we’ve been at Lynch or Lose since Day 2. 3 starting Muties – 1 mislynch left. 2 starting Muties – 2 mislynches left. What we know: **Ichini** was Loyal, and reported me as Loyal. I have reported Chronos as Loyal. And now it occurs to me that if I had been promoted Yesterday, I’d be Doctor, and could confirm or reject someone. The first two Days we gave a free pass to the Doctor and the examination subject. Which, at the moment, means **Darth Sensitive** could choose someone else to survive. Therefore, I recommend: - Sensitive, please provide a good rationale for whomever you choose to examine. - And please hold off on your selection as long as you reasonably can, until it’s fairly clear whom we lynch today. And now to review Chronos’s reason against Sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/323 "2009-08-18T22:54:11Z")
> [@](#): > > If we started with a vastly overpowered 4 Mutineers, we’ve been at Lynch or Lose since Day 2. If we had 4 mutineers, Scum could have forced a win yesterDay, no matter what Town did: They could have all outed themselves at the beginning of the Day and it wouldn’t have mattered, since they would just refuse to lynch themselves, refused to execute a Brig order against themselves, and forced us into a situation this Morning where there were 4 Scum, 3 Town for the win. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/324 "2009-08-18T23:01:31Z")
Good point, Chronos. Therefore we started with 2 or 3 Mutineers, and have 1 or 2 left. I’d like to hear what ColdPhoenix has been sitting on all Night-cycle. (And the -cycle thing is from Paranoia.) ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/325 "2009-08-19T08:15:13Z")
Not much new for you I’m afraid. From my perspective it’s now confirmed that \*\*Scuba, Chronos \*\*and \*\*Ichini \*\*are (were in \*\*Ichini’s \*\*case) loyal. Makes it a lot easier for me to target my votes! I found Cookies’ non-voting and mistaking the time when it was clear Inner was scum suspicious. That said, I’ve spent the whole game until now thinking the Masons were scum so my suspicions aren’t worth much… Am tempted to vote for \*\*Darth \*\*too. Finally, in case it works: **Release Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/326 "2009-08-19T08:18:38Z")
**Release Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/327 "2009-08-19T14:15:56Z")
ColdPhoenix, you’ve got a good point about **DarkCookies**. She had vague suspicions of Inner Stickler, but didn’t post them, even when reminded that there was plenty of time before Dusk. For now: **Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** I’m up in the air about Sensitive. **Chronos** , please cross check **ColdPhoenix**. I would hate to be led down the wrong path by Scum for a third game. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/328 "2009-08-19T14:27:41Z")
How can \*\*Chronos \*\*crosscheck me? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/329 "2009-08-19T14:28:46Z")
Woohoo! We nailed scum! D’oh! I have no business using the word “we”. Ah well…my apologies once again. Work was more hectic than expected, and out family trip to Sesame Place was moved up to earlier in the week. But I’m back, and will hopefully be more useful. By the by, after doing a quick scan of the thread (which was basically “look for my name”), I need to point out that noting if somone is online or not isn’t always useful. If they’re _not_ online, well, that tells us something. But if they _are_ online, that doesn’t always mean they’re actually using the Dope. I practically always scan as being online, just because the Dope is always in an active window. Doesn’t mean I’m actually using it, though. Ok, serious reread time. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/330 "2009-08-19T14:28:56Z")
Simple. By providing better analysis than I can do. Just check my Mafiascum history for details. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/331 "2009-08-19T14:34:35Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Simple. By providing better analysis than I can do. > > Just check my Mafiascum history for details. Ah! Okay. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/332 "2009-08-19T15:55:57Z")
> [@](#): > > I found Cookies’ non-voting and mistaking the time when it was clear Inner was scum suspicious. **Cookies** voted. She already had a vote in place on **Stickler** when he came forward with his claim, and didn’t remove it. Now, that is perhaps slightly suspicious of her, since her original reason for voting **Stickler** was lurking, and she kept her vote on him after he showed without making clear why she was still suspicious of him. But I’d still like to hear what she has to say on the matter before I find it suspicious enough for a vote. > [@](#): > > Chronos, please cross check ColdPhoenix. I would hate to be led down the wrong path by Scum for a third game. My gut feeling is positive on him: Yes, he was a little more suspicious of us than I think was justified, but he acted on those suspicions in a measured way (keeping open the possibility that we were Town, too), and didn’t try to hold onto a grudge once the evidence came in. He also looks pretty good in my vote analysis (which, again, I must remind myself and everyone else is still in beta test)-- The only scenario where he comes up Scum is one where **Darth** is also Scum. The player I’m currently least certain about (one way or the other) is **Cookies**. Given my philosophy that detectives should target the least certain player, that’s whom I would prefer **Darth** investigate (though, as someone posted earlier, he should postpone his investigation until it’s pretty clear who we’re going to lynch-- Not much point in killing the patient). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/333 "2009-08-19T16:24:23Z")
Day three Current Vote Count 6 players outside the Brig =\> 4 votes to lynch. No one is lynched with these votes. **Hal Briston** (2): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [257], Chronos [318]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95]. **Darth Sensitive** (1): Chronos [318]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [327]. Arrest warrants: [del] **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169][/del] cancelled by ColdPhoenix [325]. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/334 "2009-08-19T20:00:00Z")
I did vote. I found Inner stickler’s late arrival with such potentially important information about Chronos to be hard to swallow, add fuel to the fire with people finding evidence that he had been online. Keeping the investigation results out of the game for so long was crappy play. I was in the middle of departing my mother’s house when I logged in to see what was going on, but I wasn’t clear and how much time I had left at the time that I posted. Reading Scuba Ben’s response very quickly, I though I my post was already 6 minutes into Dusk which is why I did not post again. I’d appreciate not getting votes for reasons that don’t exist (like my not voting for Inner when I was) so I shall be leaving my vote on ColdPhoenix for now. And I’m leaving my vote on Hal as well in hopes for some participation. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/335 "2009-08-20T04:09:43Z")
Now, if you want to be suspicious of someone for not voting, how about **Hal Briston**? So far as I can tell, his sole contributions to the thread have been: 1: [Sowing misinformation about who the Mutineers might be](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11420624#post11420624), on the assumption that some of the officers, but not the captain, must have been in on it. OK, this might have been an innocent mistake, but it didn’t help anything, regardless. 2: [Voting ScubaBen](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11433798#post11433798) for his “vote everyone” tactic. 3: [Casting further suspicion on **Scuba** and I because of the mason claim 4: [url=“http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11444302#post11444302”]Unvoting Scuba Ben](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11438326#post11438326) Thus leaving himself with no votes in place at all on Day 2, which, I must point out, is strictly worse than voting for everyone (the only reason he gave for the one vote he did cast, on Day 1). How about it, **Scuba** , **ColdPhoenix** , **Darth**? Anyone else want to put a little pressure on **Hal** for his non-participation? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/336 "2009-08-20T04:11:14Z")
That third link should be [Casting further suspicion on Scuba and I because of the mason claim](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11438326#post11438326) ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/337 "2009-08-20T07:28:04Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Cookies** voted. She already had a vote in place on **Stickler** when he came forward with his claim, and didn’t remove it. Good point. I hadn’t noticed that. That looks very good for her. Following that, in my view the scum has to be either \*\*Hal \*\*or \*\*Darth \*\*(or both?). Evidence in my favour (for others) is that \*\*Inner \*\*only voted for **Scuba** , \*\*Chronos \*\*and myself. I don’t think he’d have voted for me at the start (when it looked like I would be lynched) if I were scum. Agreeing with **Chronos** , I’m happy to start with **Hal**. **Vote Hal Briston** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/338 "2009-08-20T13:25:03Z")
**Chronos** , good catch about Hal. **Vote Hal Briston** I’m slightly inclined to de-suspect **Cookies** and **ColdPhoenix** per the past few posts. So at the moment, my #2 suspect is **Darth Sensitive** by process of elimination. **Unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** Who would be better for Doc Sensitive to examine Today – Cookies or ColdPhoenix? Who is less certain and would give better information? I probably won’t be on the boards much today before Dusk. (But at least I’ll make Lieutenant 1/c!) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/339 "2009-08-20T14:55:12Z")
Wait, I think we can crack this open completely. To review the facts: We currently have 6 players alive, two of whom are confirmed Town, and either one or two of whom are Scum. The plan: 1: We lynch **Hal** and arrest **Darth** , or the other way around. 2: With the arrest, **Scuba** (whom we know we can trust) becomes Doctor 3: Doctor Scuba investigates **Cookies** 4a: If **Cookies** comes up guilty, we of course lynch her toMorrow 4b: If **Cookies** comes up innocent, and there’s a murder toNight, then it must have been committed by **ColdPhoenix** , so we lynch him toMorrow 4c: If **Cookies** comes up innocent, and there’s no murder toNight, then the last mutineer must be the guy we threw in the Brig, so we lynch him toMorrow. To break this down, according to every possible arrangement of Scum: 1: **ColdPhoenix** alone is Scum-- We mislynch toNight, but can afford the mislynch. When everyone but him is accounted for and we still get a kill, we learn in time that he’s guilty and kill him for the win. 2: **Cookies** alone is Scum-- We mislynch toNight, but learn she’s Scum from the investigation, and kill her toMorrow for the win. 3: **Hal** alone is Scum-- We win when we lynch him. 4: **Darth** alone is Scum-- We have no night-kill, since he’s in the Brig, and lynch him from there for the win. 5: **Darth** and **Hal** are the two Scum-- We’ve killed one and brigged the other, so there’s no Night-kill, and we kill the guy in the brig for the win. 6: **Darth** and **ColdPhoenix** are the Scum-- **ColdPhoenix** is the only unconfirmed who could have done the murder, so we lynch him toMorrow, and deal with **Darth** in the brig at our leisure 7: **Darth** and **Cookies** are the Scum-- We learn that **Cookies** is guilty, and lynch her toMorrow, and deal with **Darth** in the brig at our leisure 8: **Hal** and **ColdPhoenix** are the Scum-- **ColdPhoenix** is the only unconfirmed who could have done the murder, so we lynch him toMorrow for the win 9: **Hal** and **Cookies** are the Scum-- We learn that **Cookies** is guilty, and lynch her toMorrow for the win 10: **ColdPhoenix** and **Cookies** are the Scum-- In this case and this case alone do we lose. But I think that, given the voting record, it’s extremely unlikely that **ColdPhoenix** and **Cookies** are both Scum together. So this case is a risk I’m willing to take. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/340 "2009-08-20T15:02:41Z")
Ooh, very good thought at the plan. Give me a minute or five to review it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=18)