# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/361 "2009-08-21T16:26:07Z")
As I understand it, the brigging takes effect immediately. **Darth Sensitive** may have goofed. Fortunately, this doesn’t affect the situation too much, unless **Darth Sensitive** and **ColdPhoenix** are both Mutineers. In which case, there will likely be a false report of ColdPhoenix as Loyal. Still, we need Sensitive in the brig to make the whole plan work. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/362 "2009-08-21T16:28:22Z")
Are you serious? Damnitdarthfailsatrules ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/363 "2009-08-21T16:29:46Z")
Double checking… The arrest orders take place immediately. The exam may be ordered at any time; the result is available just after Dusk. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/364 "2009-08-21T16:30:00Z")
\*\* Throw Darth in the Brig \*\* which should take effect immediately as far as I understand. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/365 "2009-08-21T16:33:04Z")
Just in case we get very very lucky: **Examine ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** But I doubt that will succeed. Now waiting for the action update… ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/366 "2009-08-21T16:41:29Z")
Day Three Current Vote Count 5 players outside the Brig =\> 3 votes to lynch. **Hal Briston** will be lynched with these votes. **Hal Briston** (4): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [257], Chronos [318], ColdPhoenix [337], Scuba\_Ben [338], [del]Darth Sensitive [356-364][/del]. **Darth Sensitive** (2): Chronos [318], Hal Briston [358]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [327-338][/del]. Doctor Darth Sensitive examines **ColdPhoenix** [360]. Arrest warrants: **Darth Sensitive** by ColdPhoenix [354] and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [364]. [del] **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169][/del] cancelled by ColdPhoenix [325]. With the arrest the new crew listing is 1. ColdPhoenix – Captain 2. Chronos – Executive Officer 3. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Chief of Security 4. Hal Briston – Head of Engineering 5. Darth Sensitive – Brig 6. Scuba\_Ben – Ship’s Doctor ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/367 "2009-08-21T16:45:26Z")
It looks like the Day-cycle is pretty much set. For discussion over the next two hours: Did **Darth Sensitive** truly goof at the rules? Or was that a Scum tell? (And it’s entirely possible that e made a mistake on the rules and is also a Mutineer.) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/368 "2009-08-21T17:04:22Z")
I don’t know what to make of it, but I’m glad he’s in the brig at least. There’s wine spilled all over the table now. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/369 "2009-08-21T17:40:05Z")
First of all, it should have been clear to **Darth** that Brigging takes effect immediately. Second, even if it wasn’t clear, he should have asked for clarification before acting. Third, when he did act, he wasn’t acting according to “conventional wisdom” in investigating **ColdPhoenix** , since the plan everyone else agreed to was to investigate **Cookies**. If **Hal** comes up Scum and there’s still a Night-kill, then I’ll trust **Darth** , but be extremely upset at him for messing up a perfectly good plan. In any other circumstance, though, I’m now absolutely certain that he’s Scum, and if **Hal** comes up innocent, we won’t have any way of knowing whether **Cookies** or **ColdPhoenix** is the last Scum. I’m trying to think of a way we can both Brig and Lynch someone toMorrow. I can promote **Cookies** out of Security, putting either myself or **Scuba** (depending on who survives) in that position toMorrow, but that’s not quite enough. I was planning that I could start off voting for **ColdPhoenix** , and unvote him iff he issues an arrest warrant for himself, but that wouldn’t work, because as soon as he’s arrested, it would become impossible to lynch **Cookies**. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/370 "2009-08-21T17:53:51Z")
On thinking about this some more, the XO won’t have any power toMorrow, since toMorrow will be the last Day anything matters. And I trust myself and **Scuba\_Ben** more than **Cookies** , so I’d rather have one of us in the Security seat, since it’s conceivable that Security might still be able to do something. Therefore, **Promote Cookies** Now, then. What I’m thinking is that toMorrow, if **Hal** is innocent and there’s still a Night-kill, I’ll ask **ColdPhoenix** to put out a warrant on himself, and **Cookies** to vote for herself. If either doesn’t cooperate, I’ll vote for that person. Then, at the last minute, if everyone’s still in compliance, I’ll make a post executing the arrest order and voting for **Cookies**. That will leave me, a confirmed Town, as the sole remaining player outside the Brig, which is effectively a Town win condition. Of course, if **Scuba** is alive instead of me, he could do the same thing. This is vulnerable to **Cookies** , if she’s Scum, unvoting herself at the last minute, but I think I have better odds of beating that than I do of picking between the two of them. Man, I hope **Hal** is Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/371 "2009-08-21T18:06:32Z")
That’s better than any plan I’d have, Chronos. If I’m Alive Tomorrow, I’ll do as you suggest. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/372 "2009-08-21T18:07:32Z")
Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/373 "2009-08-21T18:07:52Z")
Less than one hour remaining. Day Three Current Vote Count 5 players outside the Brig =\> 3 votes to lynch. **Hal Briston** will be lynched with these votes. **Hal Briston** (4): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [257], Chronos [318], ColdPhoenix [337], Scuba\_Ben [338], [del]Darth Sensitive [356-364][/del]. **Darth Sensitive** (2): Chronos [318], Hal Briston [358]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [327-338][/del]. Doctor Darth Sensitive examines **ColdPhoenix** [360]. XO Chronos promotes **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** [370]. Arrest warrants: **Darth Sensitive** by ColdPhoenix [354] and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [364]. [del] **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169][/del] cancelled by ColdPhoenix [325]. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/374 "2009-08-21T18:36:43Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Did **Darth Sensitive** truly goof at the rules? Or was that a Scum tell? Both, would be my guess. I think it was a goof made by scum. > [@Chronos](#): > > Man, I hope **Hal** is Scum. Cue disappointment in 24 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/375 "2009-08-21T18:45:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Both, would be my guess. I think it was a goof made by scum. Only in the sense that it’s possible to accidentally make the right move, if that. It was a move that hurt Town, but of course, that’s exactly what Scum wants to do. He even got the right timing on it: He couldn’t have done it after the order was executed, but if he had done it before the warrant was issued, we could have switched to lynching him and arresting someone else instead. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/376 "2009-08-21T19:05:45Z")
Day Three Final Vote Count 5 players outside the Brig =\> 3 votes to lynch. **Hal Briston** (4): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [257], Chronos [318], ColdPhoenix [337], Scuba\_Ben [338], [del]Darth Sensitive [356-364][/del]. **Darth Sensitive** (2): Chronos [318], Hal Briston [358]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [327-338][/del]. Doctor Darth Sensitive examines **ColdPhoenix** [360]. XO Chronos promotes **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** [370]. Arrest warrants: **Darth Sensitive** by ColdPhoenix [354] and ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [364]. [del] **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169][/del] cancelled by ColdPhoenix [325]. [/quote] After much planning and plotting, the crew reaches a firm consensus and out the lock goes the Loyal crew-member **Hal Briston**. You can just barely discern his lips mouthing “I told you so…”. The ship’s computer reassesses the situation and orders, with the result:01. ColdPhoenix – Captain 02. Chronos – Executive Officer 03. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Chief of Security 04. Scuba\_Ben – Crew-member 05. Darth Sensitive – BrigWith insufficient crew, some posts go empty. Night Three will end on Monday, August 24 at noon PT (3pm ET). ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/377 "2009-08-21T19:08:59Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > “I told you so…”. If only I had told _more_. Ah well…back into hiatus until I’m _sure_ I can fully participate. Go crew! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/378 "2009-08-21T19:14:51Z")
And now… Darth Sensitive’s report. We’ll do our best to avenge you, **Hal**. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/379 "2009-08-21T19:39:33Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > 1. ColdPhoenix – Captain > 2. Chronos – Executive Officer > 3. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Chief of Security > 4. Scuba\_Ben – Crew-member > 5. Darth Sensitive – Brig Wrong, wrong, wrong! This is correct: 1. ColdPhoenix – Captain 2. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies – Executive Officer 3. Chronos – Chief of Security 4. Darth Sensitive – Brig 5. Scuba\_Ben – Crew-member ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/380 "2009-08-21T20:09:26Z")
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