# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/401 "2009-08-25T13:58:39Z")
Day Four Current Vote Count 4 players outside the Brig =\> 3 votes to lynch. No one is lynched with these votes. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (2): Scuba\_Ben [383], ColdPhoenix [396]. **Darth Sensitive** (2): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [386], Scuba\_Ben [389]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95]. Arrest warrants: **Darth Sensitive** by ColdPhoenix [354]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** by ColdPhoenix [396]. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/402 "2009-08-25T14:51:58Z")
> [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > I guess it all comes down to Scuba and who he believes? The Loyal crew are screwed. ☹ (See my endgame play in Lost Mafia.) I don’t hear either **ColdPhoenix** or **Dark…Cookies** (1) proposing a pro-Crew reason to release **Darth Sensitive** , or (2) admitting to doing so. So I’ll go the other way: Darth, what message did you receive when you were released from the Brig? Firm logic, as always starting with restating the obvious: - Chronos was Night-killed. - Tf. either ColdPhoenix or Dark…Cookies is a Mutie. - Whoever that was, probably released Darth Sensitive. - Darth Sensitive is almost certainly a treasonous mutineer. —\> So who is his team-mate? Sensitive being Scum does not automatically prove ColdPhoenix being Scum. But this morning, it’s what I’m leaning towards. **Unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Vote ColdPhoenix** Also-also: > [@Chronos](#): > > Now, then. What I’m thinking is that toMorrow, if Hal is innocent and there’s still a Night-kill, I’ll ask ColdPhoenix to put out a warrant on himself, and Cookies to vote for herself. If either doesn’t cooperate, I’ll vote for that person. Then, at the last minute, if everyone’s still in compliance, I’ll make a post executing the arrest order and voting for Cookies. That will leave me, a confirmed Town, as the sole remaining player outside the Brig, which is effectively a Town win condition. Of course, if Scuba is alive instead of me, he could do the same thing. I am now very suspicions of ColdPhoenix for issuing an arrest warrant for Cookies and not himself. Why did you do so, Phoenix? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/403 "2009-08-25T16:12:51Z")
Cold not warranting himself is smart if cold doesn’t _know_ the person with the ability to arrest is protown. Regarding my release, I simply asked the computer to “pretty please open the door” and it did. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/404 "2009-08-25T18:25:35Z")
Sensitive, are you claiming a counter-Brig power? Would such a power be pro-Crew or anti-Crew? And which are you? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/405 "2009-08-25T20:02:55Z")
No power. I just ended up outside. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/406 "2009-08-25T23:56:58Z")
Let’s try this again. Chronos discounted the idea that ColdPhoenix and Dark…Cookies are both Muties. So I see four possibilities: 1. ColdPhoenix is a Mutineer, and therefore so is Darth Sensitive. 2. Dark…Cookies is the sole Mutineer. 3. Dark…Cookies and Darth Sensitive are both Mutineers. 4. Darth Sensitive is the sole Mutineer, and was able to both let himself out of the Brig and Night-kill Chronos. But this interferes with the rule that a player in the Brig can’t take Night actions. In cases 1 and 3, the Loyal Crew’s pooch is truly screwed, barring some tiebreaker. In fact, in case 1, the Mutineers can force a win Today-cycle. So I dearly hope that ColdPhoenix is Loyal – it’s the only way us Crew can win. For completeness: Darth Sensitive reported ColdPhoenix was not Scum. Either this was an accurate report, or Sensitive and ColdPhoenix are both Scum, or somebody has a power to interfere with the Doctor’s exam. And nobody has claimed a power role. In fact: Anybody with a power role, preferably a verifiable one, this would be a very very good time to claim. Seeing as ColdPhoenix being Scum practically clinches a win for Scum, and my only chance to win is if he’s Loyal: **Unvote ColdPhoenix** And still wondering about Dark…Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/407 "2009-08-26T08:30:45Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I am now very suspicions of ColdPhoenix for issuing an arrest warrant for Cookies and not himself. Why did you do so, Phoenix? Why would I issue an arrest warrant for myself? I know I’m loyal and there are at least 1 and potentially 2 scum on the loose? > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > 1. ColdPhoenix is a Mutineer, and therefore so is Darth Sensitive. > … > In fact, in case 1, the Mutineers can force a win Today-cycle. Quite right. If we were both scum them we could force a win. So we’re not both scum. So we’re either both town or opposing alignments. If I were scum and \*\*Darth \*\*town then he would have identified me as such. Therefore I’m town, \*\*Darth \*\*is unconfirmed and \*\*Cookies \*\*is looking dodgy. As \*\*Darth \*\*is security I’d like him to arrest **Cookies**. It will be a pro-town move. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/408 "2009-08-26T13:01:53Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > 1. ColdPhoenix is a Mutineer, and therefore so is Darth Sensitive. > in case 1, the Mutineers can force a win Today-cycle. > [@ColdPhoenix](#): > > Quite right. If we were both scum them we could force a win. So we’re not both scum. So we’re either both town or opposing alignments. If I were scum and \*\*Darth \*\*town then he would have identified me as such. Therefore I’m town, \*\*Darth \*\*is unconfirmed and \*\*Cookies \*\*is looking dodgy. It did occur to me that if you and Darth are both Scum, you could spend the whole Day gloating. You two haven’t started gloating, so this case is not likely. CP Scum, DS Scum -\> win for Scum, no way Crew can win, so go ahead and gloat. CP Scum, DS Town -\> DS would have identified CP as Scum. This did not happen. CP Town, DS unknown -\> game continues I agree with your conclusion, ColdPhoenix. Either DS is Scum, Cookies is Scum, or both. I am leaning towards DS being Scum with some Brig-negating ability. But in case he’s not: **Darth Sensitive** , please arrest either yourself or **Dark…Cookies**. Then we can lynch the other. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/409 "2009-08-26T14:45:48Z")
Day Four Current Vote Count 4 players outside the Brig =\> 3 votes to lynch. No one is lynched with these votes. **Darth Sensitive** (2): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [386], Scuba\_Ben [389]. **ColdPhoenix** (1): ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], [del]Scuba\_Ben [402-406][/del]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): [del]Scuba\_Ben [383-402][/del], ColdPhoenix [396]. Arrest warrants: **Darth Sensitive** by ColdPhoenix [354]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** by ColdPhoenix [396]. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/410 "2009-08-26T15:03:14Z")
Any pair of Scum that includes Darth Sensitive is a probable sure win for Scum, as he is Security and can arrest (or not) Dark…Cookies as necessary. Chronos discounted the pair of ColdPhoenix and Dark…Cookies. However, if they ARE both Mutineers, Darth Sensitive can arrest Cookies and not vote. However, Darth arresting Cookies is not meaningful, as it does not indicate whether Darth is Loyal or Scum. Darth not arresting Cookies would be a strong indicator that Darth knows (or strongly believes) that Darth and Cookies are on the same side. So. Darth, Cookies, how can you two demonstrate whether you two are on the same side or not, and which side that would be? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/411 "2009-08-26T16:23:28Z")
I have no idea why Darth hasn’t put me in the brig, nor do I have any way for any confirming to take place without someone either dying or ending up in the brig. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/412 "2009-08-26T16:32:06Z")
If \*\*Darth \*\*doesn’t brig \*\*Cookies \*\*then as far as I’m concerned he’s scum and I will be voting accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/413 "2009-08-26T16:43:58Z")
**Cookies** , will you promote \*\*Scuba \*\*into security. If not, why not? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/414 "2009-08-26T19:00:14Z")
I’m not sure that will make a difference, ColdPhoenix. The promotion takes effect at the end of the Day, after the spacing. The only way I become Security during the Day is for somebody to get arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/415 "2009-08-26T19:04:21Z")
As the only person who’s been in the brig, it sucks. No porn, beer, or video games. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/416 "2009-08-26T20:05:58Z")
Okay, we’re screwed. They’re both scum. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/417 "2009-08-27T03:31:46Z")
Says the person who thinks I’m scum but isn’t voting for me… ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/418 "2009-08-27T05:25:22Z")
Yeah, posted that quickly last night. I’ve got plenty of time to vote. \*\* Vote Darth\*\* If \*\*Cookies \*\*promotes **Scuba** then I’ll think her a lot less scummy. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/419 "2009-08-27T12:52:18Z")
And following up from my #408 wherin I reason that ColdPhoenix is Loyal: **Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** Just to make sure that if only one of you is Scum, I’m voting to space whichever of you it is. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/420 "2009-08-27T13:49:06Z")
I’m happy to do it, but I don’t see that it will accomplish anything. Why would it make you feel better about my loyalty? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=22)