# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/161 "2009-08-11T13:23:34Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I also don’t like how ready ColdPhoenix is to arrest Chronos. If the muties could get a couple townies thrown in the brig, it wouldn’t be very hard to control the voting. > **Vote ColdPhoenix** I haven’t ordered an arrest and Chronos himself suggested it… But I guess from a town perspective, it’s better to vote than not. > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Ben1: To **ColdPhoenix** , I’ll unvote you and not revote you in exchange for you unvoting me and not revoting me. (Do I have Haggle terminology correct?) Tempting as that offer is I’m not going to go for it. The reason being that it’s then setting a precident for people to vote everyone and then only remove the votes if people promise not to vote for them. I know that isn’t how it is in this case (you only suggested that as I’ve indicated that I don’t think you’re scum) but I’d still rather not get involved. If I did then other people would start voting you just to get their vote from you removed and it then means people are voting to keep themselves in and not to get scum out. ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/162 "2009-08-11T13:34:04Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I don’t really like Normal Phase’s comment about lynching directly above you. I feel like its a bit of misdirection to get the rest of us on one track while the muties go another way. > **Vote Normal Phase** > > I also don’t like how ready ColdPhoenix is to arrest Chronos. If the muties could get a couple townies thrown in the brig, it wouldn’t be very hard to control the voting. > **Vote ColdPhoenix** I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you’ve voted for the 2 people who voted for you… 😉 Excluding **Scuba\_Ben** of course. If I’ve counted correctly it looks like **Normal Phase** is the vote leader with 5, followed by myself and **Scuba** with 4. Unless there are a few more votes (or someone is arrested) then there’ll be no lynch. Even if I were to order an arrest, is **Ichini** there to throw t hem in the brig? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/163 "2009-08-11T14:23:39Z")
Daycycle ends in about 4 hours 40 minutes (noon PT, 2PM board time), and we still have some people who haven’t voted. I would unvote **Normal Phase** as the XO, because he supported promoting / demoting **Chronos** instead of arresting him – but **ColdPhoenix** ’s unofficial count puts Normal Phase in the lead. So I have to leave my vote on him out of self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/164 "2009-08-11T15:12:35Z")
Day One Current Vote Count 10 players outside the Brig =\> 6 votes to lynch. No one gets lynched with the current vote count. **Normal Phase** (5): Scuba\_Ben [70], DiggitCamara [131], Chronos [150], ColdPhoenix [156], Inner Stickler [158] **Scuba\_Ben** (4): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-89][/del], Darth Sensitive [79], Normal Phase [83], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [137], ColdPhoenix [156] **ColdPhoenix** (4): Scuba\_Ben [70], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], Normal Phase [120], Inner Stickler [158] **Inner Stickler** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Normal Phase [146], ColdPhoenix [156] **Hal Briston** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Normal Phase [120-132+146], ColdPhoenix [156] **Darth Sensitive** (2): Scuba\_Ben [70], Chronos [93] **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-116][/del] **DiggitCamara** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70] **Chronos** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-94][/del], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-100][/del] **Ichini Sanshigo** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-148][/del] Doctor **Chronos** is examining **Ichini Sanshigo** [130]. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/165 "2009-08-11T15:13:28Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Spaced or not spaced, I couldn’t be happier with the way things are going right now. Well, I could if just **Ichini Sanshigo** or **Hal Briston** would show up and comment. My apologies again…it’s simply been a couple of days filled with unexpected things popping up. But hey, for the next 90 minutes I’ll be in our company’s quarterly update teleconference. Perfect for getting some reading done! ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/166 "2009-08-11T15:39:40Z")
And the vote count confirms the situation. **Hal** , I would appreciate your assessments of the three vote leaders. Even though I’m one of them and would prefer to not be lynched for an experimental mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/167 "2009-08-11T15:50:27Z")
So, **Normal\_Phase** , if I’m understanding you correctly, you think that it’s Scummy to make mistakes, unless they’re big mistakes? **Hal** ’s misunderstandings of the rules were so great that they couldn’t possibly be Scum, but **ColdPhoenix** ’s misunderstanding of the rules was probably because he’s Scum, and my hurried decision of whom to examine was probably because I’m Scum? If it’s possible for Scum to make mistakes (which of course it is), then it’s also possible for Town to make mistakes, and those mistakes can be big or small on either side. And even in retrospect, getting my examination order in early was _not_ a mistake. In order for the brig option to be on the table (which is not my decision, so it was proper for me to not take it off the table), there needed to be time for folks to discuss it, then for the Captain to order it, then for the Security Officer to execute it. That’s not the sort of thing that should be left to the very end of the Day, especially if I didn’t know whether the relevant players would be online at the end of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/168 "2009-08-11T15:50:44Z")
**Vote DarthSensitive** for his vote on **ScubaBen** re assumptions about brigged individuals being unable to use their powers. It certainly seemes like a reasonable assumption to me; if there were no restrictions on a person who was brigged, what would be the point of brigging them? > [@Cold Phoenix](#): > > Good spot. If, as more votes come in, it looks like someone of higher rank than you is going to be lynched, I’ll order your arrest. > > What does my Security Chief think about this? from [post 140](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11429372&postcount=140) Order **Chronos’** arrest to protect him? I think it’s a good idea actually, since I was pretty suspicious of the doc for his earlier digging about secret power roles. I figured that a loyal doc would need not concern himself with those roles, trusting secret powers to be able to take care of themselves. A scum doc would of course want to try to gather hints so he’d know who to investigate/space. That line seems to have been (thankfully) dropped, though. But I still think jailing **Chronos** would be a good idea (either for his protection or for ours). ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/169 "2009-08-11T16:15:54Z")
I don’t believe that jailing Chronos will protect him as the rules say he can still be murdered. But I don’t think I’ll be online before the end of the day so to help prevent a no lynch: \*\* Arrest Chronos\*\* ---
**Author:** ![ColdPhoenix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@ColdPhoenix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColdPhoenix)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/170 "2009-08-11T16:19:54Z")
Gah! I need to learn to not be so hasty. That won’t help at all as he voted for **Normal Phase**. I can’t rescind it until tomorrow but would prefer if you didn’t follow that order **Ichini**! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/171 "2009-08-11T16:25:30Z")
Blurgh. Done packing for school. Starting through recent developments now. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/172 "2009-08-11T16:27:58Z")
Two and half hours left in the Day. Day One Current Vote Count 10 players outside the Brig =\> 6 votes to lynch. No one gets lynched with the current vote count. **Normal Phase** (5): Scuba\_Ben [70], DiggitCamara [131], Chronos [150], ColdPhoenix [156], Inner Stickler [158]. **Scuba\_Ben** (4): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-89][/del], Darth Sensitive [79], Normal Phase [83], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [137], ColdPhoenix [156]. **ColdPhoenix** (4): Scuba\_Ben [70], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], Normal Phase [120], Inner Stickler [158]. **Inner Stickler** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Normal Phase [146], ColdPhoenix [156]. **Hal Briston** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Normal Phase [120-132+146], ColdPhoenix [156]. **Darth Sensitive** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Chronos [93], Ichini Sanshigo [168]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-116][/del]. **DiggitCamara** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70]. **Chronos** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-94][/del], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-100][/del]. **Ichini Sanshigo** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-148][/del]. Doctor **Chronos** is examining **Ichini Sanshigo** [130]. Outstanding arrest warrants: **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169]. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/173 "2009-08-11T16:32:04Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > But I still think jailing **Chronos** would be a good idea (either for his protection or for ours). **Ichini** , how would this protect **Chronos**? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/174 "2009-08-11T16:43:18Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > **Vote DarthSensitive** for his vote on **ScubaBen** re assumptions about brigged individuals being unable to use their powers. It certainly seemes like a reasonable assumption to me; if there were no restrictions on a person who was brigged, what would be the point of brigging them? Actually, I voted for him because he made the insinuation about brigged scum not being able to _discuss_. The idea that people can’t use powers in the brig is a good one, as it’s in the rules and all. That they can’ talk is misinformation, as was confirmed by **Scuba** and **Normal**. That explicitly rules out my ideas (ranked last) that it was a slip of some sort, and the fact that he’s gone about correcting what he said helps to assuage my fears that it was misinformation. It was a mistake, but not one that he needs to be lynched for. **Unvote Scuba Ben** ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/175 "2009-08-11T16:47:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > **Hal** , I would appreciate your assessments of the three vote leaders. You got it. Here we go: **Normal Phase** - Never played here before, but obviously an experienced, competent player. Quick to pick up on mistakes/misunderstandings, which can be equally useful for town looking for scum slips and for scum looking for frame-up opportunities. Very verbose players are often hard to get a read on – are they saying a lot because they have a lot to say, or are they saying a lot just so they can look like they’re contributing? My gut is telling me he’s on the level. He may not always be right, but I think he’s one of the good guys. **Scuba\_Ben** - Right out of the box, I hate the “vote everyone” move. Don’t like it one bit – it only serves to obfuscate. (Crap – gotta cut this short. See below.) Bottom line, I’m suspicious. **ColdPhoenix** - Seems ok to me (see below). Crap crap crap…I’ve just been told it’s time for the “annual performance review”. Fuck me, I hate these things (maybe because of the amount of work time spent at places like the SDMB). For the moment, I’m going to Vote **Scuba\_Ben** Sorry for the cut-and-release here, but I need to make sure I still have a job in a couple of hours. Hopefully I’ll be around with more info/reasoning Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/176 "2009-08-11T17:35:25Z")
Well, I’m starting a 5 hour drive soon, so I’m going to **Vote Normal Phase**. The arguments he gave about Hal/Cold are a bit specious, and I don’t agree with the votes, but the unvotes, are, as said above, sketchy. That puts us over the lynch threshold with 1.5 hours left. Let’s not do this again, sorry for my part in it. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/177 "2009-08-11T17:43:21Z")
I agree **Sensitive** , I won’t do this again. I’ll commit some other stupidity Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/178 "2009-08-11T17:49:14Z")
Okay. **Scuba Ben** , you’re in little danger – it appears it’s either going to be me or no-one. Everyone has placed at least one substantive vote, and there is little room left for swings. Now you can decide whether you prefer me dead, or if you’d rather stick to your own word about unvoting those who expressed a preference for shifting Chronos around rather than arresting him. We’ve gotten just about as much information as it’s possible to get, and it’s just a matter of whether you _really_ think I’m Scum or not. Up to you. It’s unlikely to matter, but: **unvote Inner Stickler** **unvote Hal Briston** as they’ve done what was needed. Back again in a minute with more. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/179 "2009-08-11T17:56:43Z")
About one hour left. Day One Current Vote Count 10 players outside the Brig =\> 6 votes to lynch. **Normal Phase** will be lynched with the current vote count. **Normal Phase** (6): Scuba\_Ben [70], DiggitCamara [131], Chronos [150], ColdPhoenix [156], Inner Stickler [158], Darth Sensitive [176]. **ColdPhoenix** (4): Scuba\_Ben [70], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [95], Normal Phase [120], Inner Stickler [158]. **Scuba\_Ben** (4): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-89][/del], [del]Darth Sensitive [79-174][/del], Normal Phase [83], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [137], ColdPhoenix [156], Hal Briston [175]. **Darth Sensitive** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], Chronos [93], Ichini Sanshigo [168]. **Inner Stickler** (2): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]Normal Phase [146-178][/del], ColdPhoenix [156]. **Hal Briston** (3): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]Normal Phase [120-132+146-178][/del], ColdPhoenix [156]. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-116][/del]. **DiggitCamara** (1): Scuba\_Ben [70]. **Chronos** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-94][/del], [del]ColdPhoenix [87-100][/del]. **Ichini Sanshigo** (0): [del]Scuba\_Ben [70-148][/del]. Doctor **Chronos** is examining **Ichini Sanshigo** [130]. Outstanding arrest warrants: **Chronos** by ColdPhoenix [169]. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/180 "2009-08-11T17:59:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Ichini, how would this protect Chronos? It goes back to the whole thing about me potentially being both Doctor and Engineer the same cycle: If I’m both, then I have nobody to watch my back, and the Muties can make my examination just go away by killing me. If I (or any other officer, for that matter) am tossed in the Brig, then someone else becomes engineer, instead ( **Cookies** , I think) and she can watch me. So brigging me is indeed one way to protect me. Incidentally, this is still an issue. If (as seems likely) **Normal Phase** is about to be lynched, then some time in the next hour, either **Normal Phase** needs to either promote me or demote me, or **Ichini Sanshigo** needs to execute the arrest order on me (which would still leave us in a lynch situation, now that \*\*Normal) has five votes other than me). Of these, I think the best option is for **Normal Phase** to demote me, since I’m not exactly eager to be arrested, and promoting me would leave us with the same problem if someone unvotes and we end up with a no-lynch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896.md?page=10)