# Mafia: Mutiny on the SS Insipid \[Game Over\]

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**Created:** [July 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896 "2009-07-31T18:32:38Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-mutiny-on-the-ss-insipid-game-over/504896/118 "2009-08-07T13:47:24Z")

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> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#):
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> …and I see now that it is a component of Pleo’s game-opening-rule for the Head of Engineering in the OP, but that was still a confusing as hell way of trying to quote it as Pede isn’t the mod or even in the game. I’d still like to know where you got it and why there is questionable stuff all over your “quote”.

Because I confused **GM Pleonast** with Pedescribe. Shimatta! :smack:

Maybe a better example will help clarify my question.

Taking only the public roles into account, assume Eng. **Inner Stickler** monitors Doc **Chronos** , who examines **Inner Stickler**. There are two possible results from the monitoring, and I want to know which case we have. (For the sake of my example, let’s assume that the Engineer’s monitoring counts as an “interaction.” It probably doesn’t, but that’s a wild guess. See what happened to me on the last Day of Lost Mafia for my success rate with probabilities.)

Case I: All interactions are reported.  
Inner Stickler is informed:

- Subject Chronos interacted with Inner Stickler (Doc examination)
- Inner Stickler interacted with subject Chronos (Engineer monitoring – again I doubt this counts as interaction, but it helps with the example)

Case II: Multiple interactions are reported only once.  
Inner Stickler is informed only:

- Subject Chronos interacted with Inner Stickler, no indication of who was active.  
**These cases produce dramatically different sets of information. Which case is present, oh great GM Pleonast?**  
**Hal** : I read too much into the initial ruleset. It’s clear that Mutineers in the Brig cannot take part in the Spacing. There is no mention of whether they can or cannot communicate with their fellow Commie Traitor Mutineers on the Scum board.

AOP: **Hal** , do you have any evidence that the Town side is fully out in the open? The rules say:

> [@GM Pleonast](#):
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> There may also be some special roles. These crew-members will be either loyal or mutinous.

The other quirk is that Scum may hold the open roles. That’s almost as unusual as the time I saw a Mafiascum set-up where the Scum did NOT know who else was Scum.

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