# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/261 "2009-03-15T21:11:41Z")
A bunch of “me, too” posts that contribute no new information and inflate the vote count of one player. When I made my initial post, it seemed like **MentalGuy** gathered votes really quickly. He could have been the designated lynch very early in the day if that had gone on (in the other game big shifts in votes did not normally occur, of course my experience is not that extensive). Of course such a pile-on can be entirely justified, but I felt it was not at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/262 "2009-03-15T21:13:32Z")
Why did you feel it was your responsibility to stop a bunch of me too posts? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/263 "2009-03-15T21:16:42Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > The mod says the previous rule is that **scum** talk is restricted to Night only and that stipulation is not in this game. I may be wrong, but I think it is a valid assumption that scum can talk during the day (and I will be playing assuming that is the case). > From my point of view, it looks as if the scum have decided to try to start a pile-on. There are two reasons that they chose me: What leads you to believe it’s scum leading a charge against you instead of town? Why wouldn’t Scum sit back and see what happens? > [@MentalGuy](#): > > The main problem I see with this theory is that once I am lynched and shown to be a townie it will put whoever started the pile-on under a lot of suspicion. For that reason, I am slightly less suspicious of ok11 than I am of pedescribe and Almost Human. Since Almost Human is the one making the case that this is an obvious slip when it is not I will vote for him. Oh, so we’re seeing the newbies figure out \*the third vote is Scum \*rule. Most experienced players have come to this conclusion at some point, and then discarded it as it then becomes a _Scum would never do that_ situation and a complete WiFoM as well as preventing a Town from voting third 😃 **Vote Almost Human** > [@MentalGuy](#): > > I realize that this makes it look like [Undecided] Adrian and I are working together, but that is okay, since I think we are working together, just on the town side. snuggle snuggle ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/264 "2009-03-15T21:17:45Z")
egad! I somehow left mental guy’s vote in my post. I did not intend to do that at all \*\* unvote almost human\*\* ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/265 "2009-03-15T21:19:23Z")
Jesus, the votes and accusations are positively flying. I feel like I’m in the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/266 "2009-03-15T21:21:43Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > egad! I somehow left mental guy’s vote in my post. > > I did not intend to do that at all > > \*\* > unvote almost human\*\* feel free to edit out my inadvertent vote, mods 😃 ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/267 "2009-03-15T21:24:35Z")
**Hero** , how often do I have to repeat myself? I didn’t think it was justified. Exhaustive explanations above. **Ed** , when I saw your vote I thought that _I_ had now started a pile-on… but that would make _your_ vote the third one… Well, it was all just a dream. Anyway, the sentence you quoted was cute, yes, but what does it tell you? ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/268 "2009-03-15T21:26:33Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > Jesus, the votes and accusations are positively flying. I feel like I’m in the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan 🙂 Who is storming the beach? Are you implying something just because I’m German? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/269 "2009-03-15T21:29:05Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10939150’] > > **Ed** , when I saw your vote I thought that _I_ had now started a pile-on… but that would make _your_ vote the third one… > Well, it was all just a dream. > > Anyway, the sentence you quoted was cute, yes, but what does it tell you? What does what tell me? That you and mental guy are snuggling? It tells me that one of you wants some townie cred, I think. And that by attaching yourself to a Townie, you’re hoping to come off as innocent and indignant when the other is lynched and proven Town. See, a Town player would have absolutely no reason to trust another town player. A Scum player, however, would know that anyone who isn’t Scum is very likely Town. So, you play nice with them, try to win friends, and when they’re dead, you say, “see, I was thinking just like my dear dead Townie buddy” Very safe for a Scum, especially when the other Town is way off track anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/270 "2009-03-15T21:29:18Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10939075’] **MentalGuy** and I are now quite closely aligned, which was to be expected after I took a stand for him originally, discussion with others along the same lines tends to bring you even closer together. > I disagree, however, if he thinks that the ones that voted for him where all wolves, that would be much too obvious. > I think that there is a good chance there was a bit of push-starting the bandwagon, so one of them might very well be one. Just remember that the only certain things in Mafia are votes and death - we don’t know you and **MentalGuy** have the same side, so that you arguments aligned. > [@](#): > > The pile-on has stopped now, the issue has been thoroughly discussed, so I see that as a step forward for the town. Together with your last post, I think the Split game is a bit abnormal with the Testerizer and the mass test + lynch vote wagons. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/271 "2009-03-15T21:34:23Z")
NETA: ‘so that’ should ‘just that your arguments do align’ And I should have previewed, the ‘last post’ I mention was post 261, but already **special ed** took my thought a step further. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/272 "2009-03-15T21:39:03Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > The mod says the previous rule is that **scum** talk is restricted to Night only and that stipulation is not in this game. I may be wrong, but I think it is a valid assumption that scum can talk during the day (and I will be playing assuming that is the case). > From my point of view, it looks as if the scum have decided to try to start a pile-on. There are two reasons that they chose me: > > 1. I made a statement that could be spun as an example of PIS. > > 2. In post 196, I asked about Masons and they concluded that I am not a Mason, thus I have no one to vouch for me. > > The main problem I see with this theory is that once I am lynched and shown to be a townie it will put whoever started the pile-on under a lot of suspicion. For that reason, I am slightly less suspicious of ok11 than I am of pedescribe and Almost Human. Since Almost Human is the one making the case that this is an obvious slip when it is not I will vote for him. > > **Vote Almost Human** > > I realize that this makes it look like [Undecided] Adrian and I are working together, but that is okay, since I think we are working together, just on the town side. > > Also, this is the first opportunity I have had to use the computer since last night, so don’t make anything of my silence. I disagree. To me, it looks like you’ve said the most suspicious thing so far, and people are voting you unless/until someone does something more suspicious. Remember, just because someone is on a different side in an argument doesn’t mean they’re on a different side overall. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/273 "2009-03-15T21:49:52Z")
If I just wanted to win friends, **ed** I think I could have found a less risky and confrontational way. I am aware that only death can confirm alignments and everything before is educated guessing, and I’m not thinking of **MentalGuy** as my buddy right or wrong. I agreed with him on one controversial issue, and my position on that hasn’t changed. Of course my lack of experience might have led me wrong there, **Natlaw** , especially since the other game isn’t even over yet, so I’m definitely learning a lot now… ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/274 "2009-03-15T22:28:10Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > I realize that this makes it look like [Undecided] Adrian and I are working together, but that is okay, since I think we are working together, just on the town side. > > Also, this is the first opportunity I have had to use the computer since last night, so don’t make anything of my silence. \ and \ So you and **Adrian** (Yo, Rocky, I love you) are working together. Right, or did I mis parse this? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/275 "2009-03-15T22:38:22Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10939075’] > **MentalGuy** and I are now quite closely aligned, which was to be expected after I took a stand for him originally, discussion with others along the same lines tends to bring you even closer together. \ Ok, this makes me nervous as all hell. WTF, seriously. This is Day one. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/276 "2009-03-15T22:42:10Z")
Ok. I probably have a short shelf life anyways. What’s with the teaming up. If by claiming you hamstring your powers, then FCS don’t do it. But seriously if you all work together let’s see if we can spin it. Crap. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/277 "2009-03-15T22:48:00Z")
This is the most rational I’ve ever seen you Peeker, welcome to the game! ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/278 "2009-03-15T22:59:17Z")
**peeker** , what? **MG** said it _looked like_ we are working together, and that we are both townies in his opinion. And by closely aligned I meant aligned in current arguments and in public perception. Neither **MG** nor I have made a claim. I have backed up one of his arguments, that his early post wasn’t a scum tell, but everything after that was just him agreeing with me on that, and what else would he do? But seriously, if this your rational mode, I don’t want to see any other 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/279 "2009-03-15T23:11:07Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > This is the most rational I’ve ever seen you Peeker, welcome to the game! Thanks, it’s nice to be home. And don’t take this wrong fellers and gallers. I play the way I play because that is what I do. Ain’t no agenda. And when/if it becomes sufficiently distracting then I will quit. I like to think that my sleuthing abilities are on par with others. But if I become a distraction that would be bad, I still think that I contribute at the same or greater level than others. Shoot, made peek get on the soapbox. Oh, and I have to be the King of Fluff. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/280 "2009-03-15T23:11:21Z")
> [@](#): > > So you and Adrian (Yo, Rocky, I love you) are working together. > > Right, or did I mis parse this? Well, we are working together to dispel the notion that my reading of the rule amendment implies some knowledge of information other than what is in the rules. In saying not to make anything of my absence, I was just saying not to assume that I was leaving someone else to argue my case for me. As far as my comment that I believed we were working together on the town side, that was a bit over the top. Obviously, if he is scum I have no way of knowing, but I think if he is, he is playing it well. Trying to prevent the town from jumping on a perfectly reasonable statement as a scum tell is to me a pro-town move. So, absent any other evidence, I am definitely more likely to trust him than the ones who seemed to be trying to start a bandwagon against me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=15)