# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/281 "2009-03-15T23:15:39Z")
NETA: I see that Adrian has pretty much made the same case while I was writing my post and helping my son with his Play-Doh. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/282 "2009-03-15T23:16:45Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10939380’] **peeker** , what? > **MG** said it _looked like_ we are working together, and that we are both townies in his opinion. > > And by closely aligned I meant aligned in current arguments and in public perception. Neither **MG** nor I have made a claim. > I have backed up one of his arguments, that his early post wasn’t a scum tell, but everything after that was just him agreeing with me on that, and what else would he do? > > But seriously, if this your rational mode, I don’t want to see any other 🙂 Nope. What you said was that you were aligned “which was to be expected” - your words. I didn’t’ expect it, but you did. Don’t know what is up but you can’t spin a quote. Or maybe try again. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/283 "2009-03-15T23:30:36Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Well, we are working together to dispel the notion that my reading of the rule amendment implies some knowledge of information other than what is in the rules. In saying not to make anything of my absence, I was just saying not to assume that I was leaving someone else to argue my case for me. > > As far as my comment that I believed we were working together on the town side, that was a bit over the top. BObviously, if he is scum I have no way of knowing, but I think if he is, he is playing it well. Trying to prevent the town from jumping on a perfectly reasonable statement as a scum tell is to me a pro-town move. So, absent any other evidence, I am definitely more likely to trust him than the ones who seemed to be trying to start a bandwagon against me. No the flip anywhere did I even come close to suggesting this. Don’t argue against something that has not been suggested. Yep it sure sounds like you are guilty as hell. Freak dude, just trying to talk. Talk to the posts. **Vote Mental** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/284 "2009-03-15T23:39:48Z")
Ok. That didn’t read write. 🙂 **MG** is admitting that he/she and **Adrian** are working together to prove his/her towniness. I don’t discount this. It’s just odd to see team mates this early, unless they know something I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/285 "2009-03-15T23:41:26Z")
> [@](#): > > No the flip anywhere did I even come close to suggesting this. Suggest what? You definitely suggested (or inferred, if you wish) that Adrian and I are working together. I was just trying to explain that in a narrow sense we are working together, and I would be more likely to work with him than some of the others that seem to be trying to start a bandwagon against me. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/286 "2009-03-15T23:52:50Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > NETA: > > I see that Adrian has pretty much made the same case while I was writing my post and helping my son with his Play-Doh. Ok, frick it, yaknow this is too ticklish. I want new players but I don’t want to scare them off. K, played like I would have against a story or blam, maybe a hoop on a good day. **Unvote Mental** Just want the fluffer accusers to go away. It’s how I play. Water off a duck. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/287 "2009-03-15T23:58:47Z")
Man, this peeker guy is gonna be fun 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/288 "2009-03-16T00:11:10Z")
Thanks for the unvote peeker but I don’t think you would have scared me off. The time you have to put into this might though (or at least the time you get sucked into spending on it). But the real point of my post: What is a blam, a story, or a hoop? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/289 "2009-03-16T00:21:37Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Thanks for the unvote peeker but I don’t think you would have scared me off. The time you have to put into this might though (or at least the time you get sucked into spending on it). But the real point of my post: > > What is a blam, a story, or a hoop? Senator, I played with blam, story or hoop. I knew blam, story, or hoop. Blam, story or hoop was a friend of mine. Senator, you are no blam, story, or hoop. Sorry, that was really uncalled for ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/290 "2009-03-16T00:38:17Z")
Blam is the mathematcian. He is so dead on that logic can’t beat him. He is so way cool. Hoop is my bud from a long time ago. We were newbs and fighting our first battles. Holy freaking crud. But the one that stands out is story. He wrote the book. He is a food cook and hell of a player, I don’t know how the above feel but they seem like pals to me. Also, even if they like you they will hand your head to you on a tray if called for. Mother fuckers. Read a wee bit. See M2, any game with PRH, and watch hoop. Sonabitch almost cost us smasher singlehandedly. The other peeps you got to be careful of are: **tabber** and **Kat**. They will weave their feminine charm and you’ll wale up with the steak knife from last nights meal between your shoulder blades. GD black widders. Oh and **Paul** rocks as well. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/291 "2009-03-16T00:45:02Z")
And actually **Paul** kind of sucks. But he gets so tempermental if you don’t stroke him at times. And I know I leave a ton of folks out. Shoot **pede** rocks as a player and a mod and my personal fave. **coca cola**. Mr. I don’t post unless I Have something to say. Crud I wish I could work with him. ---
**Author:** ![straggler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@straggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straggler)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/292 "2009-03-16T01:26:16Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You say the benefit of it is that the lynchee gets no chance to defend themselves? So now we just vote blind and hope for the best? If by “vote blind” you’re referring to my suggestion that people vote for who they truly believe the scum is, then yes, I’m saying “vote blind”. 😕 > [@](#): > > Half this game is defending yourself and showing what you have done that precludes you form being scum. Not allowing time for discussion prevents us from being able to gain more info to base our votes on. No time to defend ourselves won’t allow for claiming, which has saved many a townie’s skin. Any many a scum’s, too? > [@](#): > > And it won’t allow for a proper argument from which to gather a logical and gut feeling of the lynchee’s scumminess. These arguments would be made prior to the last 24 earth hours of the game Day. > [@](#): > > Next point I have issue with, waiting til the last 24 hours to vote does not make scum scramble to figure out how to vote. It actually gives them more time to figure out how to best use their votes in a way that a vote analysis will not make it obvious who is scum. It will rob scum of the ability to tip a close vote back in their favour. And if robbing them of a shovel makes it “easier” for them to use a dessert spoon, that’s a good thing. Not a bad thing. > [@](#): > > Oh, and don’t get all huffy about the votes running on the slimmest bit of logic. We don’t have a whole lot of that running around on Day1. Things will start to get more logical on Day2. Well, I wouldn’t say I was getting “all huffy”, I was just expressing my shock and amazement at the early voting frenzy. You seemed awfully keen to over-exaggerate a lot of my points there, **Pauly Boy** , should I make something of it? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/293 "2009-03-16T01:40:55Z")
**straggler** , This is going to ramble, but I’m on pain meds for my jaw right now. So please forgive me. Your logic here is lacking something or somethings. You seem to think that Town can ambush Scum with a flurry of late votes. However, Scum will still have the opportunity to vote strategically. They already know who is Scum. We don’t. You seem to think that allowing time for a claim is a bad thing. Yes, I know Scum will sometimes claim, and it may save them. But Scum are more likely to slip when making a claim. And Town can benefit from a claim. You seem to think Town will get extra knowledge from the late votes. However, you’re losing sight of the fact that Town gets more information from interactions and trends than just a flurry of late votes. And, to clarify, by voting blind, I meant, if we wait until the end to vote, what do we do in the meantime? Discuss the weather? Why apply an artificial barrier to our voting? Why deny me the knowledge I can get from seeing how people react and respond to early votes? You say that we’ll have information from arguments earlier in the Day, but won’t Scum have that information too? Won’t they be able to see how we’re likely to vote and respond accordingly? and you say this: > [@](#): > > It will rob scum of the ability to tip a close vote back in their favour. And if robbing them of a shovel makes it “easier” for them to use a dessert spoon, that’s a good thing. Not a bad thing. What do you mean? What power are we taking away from Scum? Do you really think the Town can act unified in secret from the Scum? All I see is that we’ll end up with some scattered votes, and Scum will get to pick and choose who to lynch without having to be held strongly accountable for their votes. No, I say make your vote at the time you see fit. We can also spot trends in time of votes, bandwagoning, leading lynches, we’ve got so much data from a naturally occurring Day to catch our Scum. I’ve played as Scum before, and I can tell you, I would have loved to have everyone voting late in the Day. It would have saved so much grief. IN all, I’m completely confused by your approach. I see no benefit to Town. We still have to develop arguments, find Scum, and vote. I do see a benefit to Scum. Town won’t be able to claim their powers to save themselves. Scum will still know who to target, and we won’t have a full Day’s analysis of pro-Scum behavior. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/294 "2009-03-16T02:08:59Z")
FCS, it burns. Sheep, it burns. **ed** makes perfect sense. Uh, **straggler** it was a durn bad idea. Just let it die. ---
**Author:** ![straggler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@straggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straggler)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/295 "2009-03-16T02:16:56Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > And, to clarify, by voting blind, I meant, if we wait until the end to vote, what do we do in the meantime? Oh, is _that_ what you meant by “voting blind”? That’s funny, because it _wasn’t you who said it_. It was **paulwhoisaghost**. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/296 "2009-03-16T03:19:31Z")
> [@straggler](#): > > Oh, is _that_ what you meant by “voting blind”? > > That’s funny, because it _wasn’t you who said it_. It was **paulwhoisaghost**. Good point, the words weren’t mine, but the ideas were mine on posts 224 and 227. I wish the phrase was mine, because it’s a good way to describe what you were saying. ---
**Author:** ![straggler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@straggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straggler)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/297 "2009-03-16T03:23:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Good point, the words weren’t mine, but the ideas were mine on posts 224 and 227.. .. and in the secured discussion area where only scum can communicate? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/298 "2009-03-16T03:48:02Z")
> [@straggler](#): > > .. and in the secured discussion area where only scum can communicate? I assume by this that you mean to be accusing me of being Scum for telling you how awful your idea was. You should be more clear when you’re making accusations, otherwise people might think you’re smudging. However, to address your concern, did you mean to imply that I used the term ‘voting blindly’ on the Scum board and then \*\*paul \*\*copied it from me there and used it on the main board? And then, I assumed you’d seen my post on the Scum board and so responded to you on the main board…um…or maybe you’re thinking more like this: If you notice, I called you on the poor strategy in post 224. You defended yourself in 226. I responded in 227. \*\*Paul \*\*used the term “vote blind” in 228, though he was really restating some of my ideas.\*\*Almost \*\*\*\*Human \*\*gave her ideas on your bad strategy in post 230 (Is she part of our Scum plot too). Maybe we can include \*\*Adrian \*\*who chimed in in 231. And \*\*Bill \*\*commenting on the fact that you felt Town not being able to defend themselves was a _strength_ of your strategy. He must be Scum too, eh? \*\*peeker \*\*was a little slow on the draw calling your idea bad in post 244. But he must have been busy coining terms on the Scum board. OK, in the end. Your idea is bad. Many of us have told you so. It’s OK to have bad ideas, I don’t think any of us really strongly suspect you of being Scum despite how pro-scum and anti-town your idea was. It’s OK to let the idea drop now. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/299 "2009-03-16T04:14:36Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > What is a blam, a story, or a hoop? I was drinking when I read this and whiskey almost came out my nose. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/300 "2009-03-16T04:16:53Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > And actually **Paul** kind of sucks. But he gets so tempermental if you don’t stroke him at times. > > And I know I leave a ton of folks out. Shoot **pede** rocks as a player and a mod and my personal fave. **coca cola**. Mr. I don’t post unless I Have something to say. Crud I wish I could work with him. Yeah yeah… fuck you too peek. That’s for the ego stroke though… even if it was temporary. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=16)