# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/321 "2009-03-16T18:38:39Z")
Day One Anti-Town Actions, IMHO of **Pleonast** In lieu of actual pro-Scum behaviour, I will vote for whichever player has been most anti-Town (this is not a simple of counting exercise). Anti-Town actions do not necessarily indicate Scumminess, but if we do not punish anti-Town play, then Scum will have no reason to play pro-Town. Forcing Scum to play pro-Town greatly limits their options and increases the opportunities for slipping. **Oredigger77** [161](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10934486&postcount=161): He quickly voted for me after another player did, following the same reasoning. This falls somewhere between an OMGUS vote and a scum trying to put pressure on someone pressuring them. **pedescribe** [173](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10935095&postcount=173): Voted **Seeker** for my bad logic. **ok11** [215](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10937120&postcount=215): Votes **Mental** for poorly thought-out reasons. 1) Rules were explicitly changed to permit possibility of Scum Day-talk. 2) Newbies use “wolf” term is understandable considering the current newbie game.\* **pedescribe** [223](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10937262&postcount=223): Follows **ok** ’s poorly thought-out vote.\* **Almost Human** [229](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10938110&postcount=229): Strong reaction to reasonable assumption that Scum can Day-talk seems to display extra information about Scum. **BillMC** [232](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10938147&postcount=232): Voting someone for suggesting an idea. I agree **straggler** ’s idea is anti-Town, but suggesting ideas is not. We do not want to discourage ideas, and we can not expect everyone to always be able to determine how useful every idea they think of is. **[Undecided] Adrian** [259](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10939075&postcount=259): Linking self with another player. **straggler** [301](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10940117&postcount=301): Accusing player of Scumminess without articulating a reason. **Oredigger77** [316](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10941332&postcount=316): Seems like he confirms his vote for me really was an OMGUS vote. \*And to fend off those who will accuse me of defending **MentalGuy** –I’m not. I’m attacking poor justifications of votes. The kind that Scum often use. (For all I know, they’re bussing him.) Since voting people for their ideas is a pet peeve of mine, I’m going to **vote BillMC** for now. I’ll switch to anyone I listed above by the end of the Day if tactically useful. (I dislike players who avoid attention by hiding with a singleton vote instead of committing to one of the larger controversies. It’s our responsibility to lynch Scum, and Townies playing lone wolf make it easier for Scum to control the lynch.) ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/322 "2009-03-16T18:54:22Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Really? You don’t find anything else scummy toDay so you’re voting for someone because you don’t like the way he posts? ‘and if I don’t see’ is equivalent too ‘unless I see’, so lets look at _your_ leads. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > We’ve got the “I know sach didn’t actually say scum could talk during the Day but I think that’s what he meant so it must be true” debate Only scum can misinterpret rules which the mod intends to be ambiguous. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > The “Let’s not vote till there’s only 24 hours left in the game - that’ll bugger scum up” theory and subsequent responses. Only scum makes ridiculous suggestions early in the game. > [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Even the “Curious case of the extra mislynches calculation” is surely more worthy than the reasoning you’ve given for a vote. Only scum is bad at math. I don’t know, I think we have more work to do. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/323 "2009-03-16T19:13:35Z")
OK, I think I need to clarify my “closely aligned” remark again, several people have heard something that I didn’t mean. I meant that we made the same argument about that scum-day-talk topic, which led to us both making the same points and backing each other up in that specific discussion, and that we’re now linked in public perception, especially since **MG** really seemed to trust me after I defended him. About the first thing I noted “that was to be expected”. I did not mean that I trust him now unconditionally, only that I did not see a reason for mistrust where others saw one (a point where you seem to agree with me, **Pleonast** ). So in all, I wanted to explain why we’re in my perception not as close as many people think, and now several players I said just the opposite. Grml. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/324 "2009-03-16T19:14:38Z")
… several players _think_ I said just the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/325 "2009-03-16T19:18:41Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **Oredigger77** [161](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10934486&postcount=161): He quickly voted for me after another player did, following the same reasoning. This falls somewhere between an OMGUS vote and a scum trying to put pressure on someone pressuring them. > > **Oredigger77** [316](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10941332&postcount=316): Seems like he confirms his vote for me really was an OMGUS vote. Let me see if I’ve got you straight. You screw up the count of our number of mislynches and I vote for you and it’s an OMGUS? I could understand busting my chops for a me too but calling my vote an OMGUS is stretching it quite a bit. Let’s review. You voted for me out of the gate for confirming my PM too quickly :dubious:. The you screw up the count of our mislynches. I think about it for a bit and agree that you’re too experience to make such a simple mistake so I vote for you. The game goes on and I finally decide to unvote you with; > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Besides these teams I still think that Pleo not being able to count our mislynches is off but it doesn’t directly hurt the town just lead to a possible sense of complacency. I think this has been safely avoided so I’m going to; How does that come anywhere near an omission of an OMGUS? I thought that even if you were intentionally misleading the town you didn’t do a very good job of it and there were probably more interesting cases then you. But I was wrong. You seriously misrepresented me and my ‘case’ against you into little more then a random vote. I think there is something very wrong going on in your corner of our world so I’m going to go back to voting for you. **Vote Pleonast** ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/326 "2009-03-16T19:58:23Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10939150’] **Ed** , when I saw your vote I thought that _I_ had now started a pile-on… but that would make _your_ vote the third one… > Well, it was all just a dream. > > Anyway, the sentence you quoted was cute, yes, but what does it tell you? When [you voted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10938136&postcount=231) for **Almost Human** , you did so because she and **pedescribe** ‘piled on’ **MentalGuy** , not on **ok11** who placed the first vote. But now your first vote is starting a pile on? At the end of the Day someone needs to have to most votes and get lynched. > [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10941372’] **MentalGuy** said we were working together in the sense that he thinks we are both townies, it seems like he trusts me now that I have defended him. > Pity that that was coupled with a loss of trust by many others, even if some have agreed with my basic argument. You mention this ‘it is **MentalGuy** who is so trusting, I only agreed with him’ in another post as well. And since it was pointed out that town should not blinding trust people, I do see that as a bit of a smudge. Definitely compared to what people are calling smudges by **straggler** , which seem to be out right taunts to me. The finger of suspicious (FoS) was clear there, even if it wasn’t explicitly in orange. I can see it being a case ‘wrong if you do, wrong if you don’t’ saying you aligned with MentalGuy or not, but now you seem to push blame to him. It splits out the vote more, but I’ll ‘pile on’ you for now: **vote [Undecided] Adrian** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/327 "2009-03-16T20:07:38Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Really? I waited until I had something more to say than “I’m here”. I don’t think it’s bad logic, although I agree it’s not very convinving evidence. But there’s a real problem with your vote–it was my logic, not **Seeker** ’s. Why did you vote them and not me? :shrugs: Because I didn’t notice your post, it was sandwiched between the ‘confirming’ posts. [quote=“Pleonast, post:320, topic:488592”] Either you’re suggesting we have a Gastard Mod…QUOTE] …honestly, I’m starting to think this is a good possibility, given the new tie rules. Don’t be so quick to rule it out. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/328 "2009-03-16T20:12:46Z")
Some other comments: > [@Sitnam](#): > > ‘and if I don’t see’ is equivalent too ‘unless I see’, so lets look at _your_ leads. > > Only scum can misinterpret rules which the mod intends to be ambiguous. > Only scum makes ridiculous suggestions early in the game. > Only scum is bad at math. > > I don’t know, I think we have more work to do. I think **Almost Human** more meant the whole discussion to those thing, not just limiting the choices to the initial poster like imply here. > [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > I’m not sure if I could handle the pressure of being mayor (scum target number 1), would be interesting though; say we vote a someone mayor and he survive the first night, does that make him scum? > > But someone in the beginning stated that the “ties are bad” rule was a significant handicap for the town, and I am not even sure if sachertorte would allow us from making our own roles I think I saw a game where could be voted for the governor (who could post pone the lynch for more discussion), but it is highly unlikely sachertorte will give someone a tie-breaking power because we vote for it. And without mod enforcement I don’t see it practical to implement it ourselves (too many voters and no one confirmed). Note that in _Evil Dead_ there was an actual tie breaking power (masons if alive, otherwise scum), which avoid the mod-must-flip-a-(game-deciding)-coin when there is a tie. But the rules clearly state that we get a random lynch in case of a tie, though they’re a bit vague between who. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/329 "2009-03-16T20:28:37Z")
**Oredigger** , look at your voting pattern objectively. 1. I vote for you with a weak reason, trying to start off discussion. 2. You express some complaints about me after I vote for you. No problem so far. 3. You vote for me immediately after someone else votes for me. Now it’s looking like you either giving an OMGUS vote and waited to avoid an obvious first vote on me. Or, you simply want to apply some pressure on me. 4. I unvote you because game discussion has gone into hyperdrive. 5. You then unvote me soon after I unvote you. This makes your initial vote really look like it was (maybe subconsciously) motivated by OMGUS. Your vote/unvote directly paralleled my vote/unvote! > [@Oredigger77](#): > > But I was wrong. You seriously misrepresented me and my ‘case’ against you into little more then a random vote. I think there is something very wrong going on in your corner of our world so I’m going to go back to voting for you. I complained that your vote (and then unvote) for me was OMGUS. That’s very different from a random vote (and you claiming that I said that it is is mischaracterizing me). Even if you disagree with my characterization of OMGUS, you should be able to see that your vote pattern sure looks like it. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/330 "2009-03-16T20:49:56Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > You have to admit, it is really interesting to see how people twisted my non-committed tiny post to their own means. I’ve done a reread, and don’t see anyone except **UA** mischaracterizing your post. What people are you talking about? I’m considering switching my vote to **SoTB**. In addition to his me-too-ish vote, which others have already mentioned, I’ve also spotted the following (addressed to **peekercpa** ). > [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > I went and looked through all your posts. Do you know you have posted more than ANYONE in this game? More, even, than the mod? > > And at least HALF of your posts are barely game-related. You’re purposely trying to be loud and obnoxious, I think… I’m not voting for you. Yet. > > But FoS ==\> **peeker** This post is misleading. Even though right now **peekercpa** is back to his old ways, up until that point he was actually (uncharacteristically) posting in a relatively tame/straightforward fashion. **SoTB** , between the start of the Day (post 118) up to the point when you made your accusation (post 252) **peekercpa** did not have the highest post count. Nor was his fluff to content ratio as bad as yours. For comparison purposes, here’s how the two of you matched up: \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ **Peeker**** vs ****Seeker** \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_Post Numbers Total # of posts\_\_\_\_\_\_\_8\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_10 \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_P (145, 156, 184, 195, 244, 245, 246, 247) S (123, 129, 135, 141, 147, 152, 166, 182, 211, 251) # of fluff posts\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_4\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_8 \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_P (145, 195, 245, 246) S (123, 129, 135, 141, 147, 182, 211, 251) When you claimed that **peeker** had the highest post count, did you count the pre-game chatter (e.g. top of page 2) as part of your analysis? If so, then you shouldn’t have used those posts to support your hypothesis that **peeker** was intentionally being distracting, because it happened before the roles were sent out. So overall, your assessment might be more accurate right now, but it wasn’t justified at the time you made it. I’m not switching my vote yet, because I’d like to see **SoTB** ’s response, but this looks scummy to me. **Peeker** is an easy target for scum because his play style rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Perhaps **SoTB** wanted to see whether he can start a bandwagon rolling with that post. Adding that to how little content he actually posted (despite making a lot of posts) puts him close to the top of my suspecion list. > [@Pleonast](#): > > And I think I spotted the first player skimming. I think my [post 174](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10935104&postcount=174) clearly shows that rather than skimming, I’ve actually read the rules very carefully and given them a lot of thought. I agree that scum being able to talk during the Day is a likely explanation of the rules change. However, I specifically made that post to ensure that the town doesn’t assume that by default, and that people don’t overlook other possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/331 "2009-03-16T21:11:32Z")
**Natlaw** , the comment about **Ed** was a joke, I thought that was clear with the “just a dream”. He accidentally placed and then revoked a vote on **Almost Human** (the ominous third one and creating a tie). And about **MentalGuy** trusting me… It was fairly obvious that he did, didn’t you read that out of his post? Only I know if it’s justified (it is, in case you’re wondering), but wouldn’t smudging a player I just defended be a fairly strange strategy? I wanted to distance myself from him a bit, yes, since we were perceived as being chummier than I feel about him, but it’s not like I want to throw him to the lynchmob. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/332 "2009-03-16T21:19:08Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > I’ve done a reread, and don’t see anyone except **UA** mischaracterizing your post. What people are you talking about? This is a minor point, but I didn’t mischaracterize **Hero’s** post. I talked about the rules he posted and referred to his post instead of posting them again. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/333 "2009-03-16T21:23:09Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > 1. You then unvote me soon after I unvote you. This makes your initial vote really look like it was (maybe subconsciously) motivated by OMGUS. Your vote/unvote directly paralleled my vote/unvote!I complained that your vote (and then unvote) for me was OMGUS. That’s very different from a random vote (and you claiming that I said that it is is mischaracterizing me). Even if you disagree with my characterization of OMGUS, you should be able to see that your vote pattern sure looks like it. Ok, I get where you are coming from on the timing of things. I hadn’t noticed how few posts were between ours. My unvote of you was triggered by me coming back to the thread after the weekend and seeing all of the action and figuring it would be more productive then your initial slip. I even said as much. As far as my initial timing you voted for me in #124. I didn’t vote for you, #161 until after I commented on your miscount in #138. I don’t think you could call that first vote an OMGUS by any stretch of the imagination. I don’t disagree that it looks like a me too but it was simply the combination of it bugging me and seeing Hero think it was weird. I said in my voting post that I didn’t think it was much but enough for the time. So I still think that you’re mischaracterizing my votes as OMGUSs which are one of the lowest reasons for a vote. Speaking of mischaracterization I did not say that an OMGUS was the same as a random, I said > [@Oredigger77](#): > > little more then a random vote. . There is more to an OMGUS but not much. In fact I would put it as the second lowest reason for a vote with random being the worst reason. If you think there is a big difference between the two I would love to hear about it. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/334 "2009-03-16T21:27:08Z")
1 - [Undecided] Adrian (Natlaw) 2 - Almost Human ([Undecided] Adrian, MentalGuy) 1 - BillMC (Pleonast) 3 - MentalGuy (ok11, pedescribe, Almost Human) 1 - Oredigger77 (Seeker of Truth and Beauty) 1 - Pleonast (Oredigger77) 1 - Seeker of Truth and Beauty (Hero From Sector 7G) 1 - peekercpa (Sitnam) 2 - straggler (BillMC, paulwhoisaghost) ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/335 "2009-03-16T21:30:28Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10942461’]This is a minor point, but I didn’t mischaracterize **Hero’s** post. I talked about the rules he posted and referred to his post instead of posting them again. I went back to check, and you’re right. I’m sorry, I thought in [post 231](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10938136&postcount=231) you were citing **Hero** ’s post 221 as evidence that he agreed with you (hence my question in post 241). Thanks for pointing out my mistake. And here I thought you were dodging my question :smack: ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/336 "2009-03-16T21:58:43Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I think the most interesting slip thus far is Ed jumping in to defend a question directed at Paul. This is the second time that players have obviously worked together in this thread. Both incidences are suspicious but at least the first time was a couple of noobs and they also admitted they were working together, how weird was that? I think player putting words in other people’s mouths is always suspicious because it implies that they can communicate outside of the game to all get on the same page. > > Besides these teams I still think that Pleo not being able to count our mislynches is off but it doesn’t directly hurt the town just lead to a possible sense of complacency. I think this has been safely avoided so I’m going to; > > **Unvote Pleonast** > > I don’t have someone to replace this vote with but I think my top four candidates are the two teams. Just because I agree with someone doesn’t mean I trust them or am aligned with them \*\*Paul \*\*and I, along with a few others ( **peeker, almost human, bill** ) saw and commented on **straggler** ’s bad idea. I commented on **straggler** ’s defense to **paul** , since seeker was still wrong, and was defending a very anti-town strategy. That’s about all that happened. If you find it scummy, sat least you’ve outlined why. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/337 "2009-03-16T22:11:07Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > Personally, I don’t like that type of post (221) because you’re not committing yourself to anything. If you’re scum, you can go back later and assign any meaning to it, depending on what suits you. > [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > You have to admit, it is really interesting to see how people twisted my non-committed tiny post to their own means. > [@ok11](#): > > I’ve done a reread, and don’t see anyone except **UA** mischaracterizing your post. What people are you talking about? You. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/338 "2009-03-16T22:30:46Z")
still not enough data(or dataprocessingpower), so of all the random votes I could make, only three have some merit, not a lot of it, but its all Igot, special ed and paulwhoisaghost for teaming up and admitting it, but if they were scum that would be pushing it, and mentalguy for the alleged information slip and seeing that mentalguy already has 3 votes, I’m adding the 4th **vote Mentalguy** other then that I got nothing else to base my vote on… ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/339 "2009-03-16T22:43:28Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Day One Anti-Town Actions, IMHO of **Pleonast** > > Since voting people for their ideas is a pet peeve of mine, I’m going to > **vote BillMC** That was sooo unexpected, like the sun rising in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/340 "2009-03-16T22:45:21Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > still not enough data(or dataprocessingpower), so of all the random votes I could make, only three have some merit, not a lot of it, but its all Igot, > > special ed and paulwhoisaghost for teaming up and admitting it, but if they were scum that would be pushing it, and mentalguy for the alleged information slip again, I’ll state, just because I agree with someone does not mean I’m teaming up with them. As I said, there were 5 of us (at least) calling straggler on his bad strategy (and pleonast makes at least 6) Does that make all 6 of us a team? and if so, we’re pretty unbalanced for a mason team and pretty stupid for a Scum team. > [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > and seeing that mentalguy already has 3 votes, I’m adding the 4th > **vote Mentalguy** > > other then that I got nothing else to base my vote on… oh, lucky you, you’ve avoided the dreaded 3rd vote 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=18)