# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/41 "2009-03-08T13:52:17Z")
And **Roland** do you do the **BM** random hypothesis stuff. It makes no sense to me but the others eat that stuff up. Psuedo random, don’t yaknow. Just lollipopping one. And sorry, **std** it only gets worse. Ask **pleo** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/42 "2009-03-08T14:03:12Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > I was talking about Seeker of Truth and Beauty - as if I would include you in a logical debate! > > So **vote peeker** (mmm is the Dope out of blue ink, I guess **pedescribe** testerizer used it all up?) > I think we have a four way tie now, so that means we get a random lynch! Sheesh, thanks Natbaby. I’ve been washboarding it in the corner all night long, hoping you would catch a scent. Reher. Hey, **sach** do you think me and **nat** have time to take this offline? Oh hell, why do I have a sense of Ruggeration? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/43 "2009-03-08T15:16:51Z")
I would join, but a 4 PM EST Dusk means I can’t do anything at the end of the Day. If Dusk came around 8 or 9 PM, I would be able to participate. I’m still slightly miffed that I was the first one Eaten in The Split. I’m waiting for the game to end to find out why I was the first pick. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/44 "2009-03-08T16:34:41Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > I don’t mean to be an ass, especially being the new kid on the block in this game, but these posts make my brain scuttle into a dark corner and whimper softly. I do not find it cute or endearing, and if this is the way you type during the game, I will probably lobby very stubbornly to lynch you first. > > Just sayin’. I think I’ve learned to translate peekerish after modding SSB:M. If anything he says really confuses you, ask and I’ll try my best. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/45 "2009-03-08T16:40:18Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > I think I’ve learned to translate peekerish after modding SSB:M. If anything he says really confuses you, ask and I’ll try my best. For example: > [@peekercpa](#): > > And **Roland** do you do the **BM** random hypothesis stuff. It makes no sense to me but the others eat that stuff up. > > Psuedo random, don’t yaknow. > > Just lollipopping one. > > And sorry, **std** it only gets worse. Ask **pleo** > [@Translation](#): > > Roland, you may attempt to use heavy math in order to justify random voting like Blaster Master before you; I don’t think it makes any sense but other people seem to get it. > > Just speculation. > > And apologies, Seeker of Truth and Beauty, but I enjoy my lack of lucidness. You will find solidarity with Pleonast, who also hates my confusion. > [@peekercpa](#): > > Sheesh, thanks Natbaby. I’ve been washboarding it in the corner all night long, hoping you would catch a scent. > > Reher. > > Hey, **sach** do you think me and **nat** have time to take this offline? > > Oh hell, why do I have a sense of Ruggeration? > [@translation](#): > > Ha-ha! I am quite amused by your comment about ink, Natlaw, and I will respond in kind! > > Sachertorte, would you kindly let me and Natlaw discuss this somewhere else? > > Oh dearie me, I do fear that I may get scum role after scum role, like my dear friend Santo Rugger! Is that about right? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/46 "2009-03-08T17:24:29Z")
Ped, you better be here ever minute of this game to translate for us. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/47 "2009-03-08T17:25:26Z")
I just got eaten in the split, I’d like to get on board here as well. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/48 "2009-03-08T17:36:29Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > Well, that way why would Seeker get a pass? By not voting for Pleonast or Natlaw, he is keeping the tie in place. And if I’m convinced Pleonast is scum and the rest town, I still wouldn’t unvote ‘because ties are bad’: 25% chance to lynch scum VS 100% chance to lynch town. > > A random lynch between Pleonast and me makes more sense, town can then deal with the tie making voter itself the next day (or Night with a vigilante etc). Ugh, this tie voting stuff is very anti-town. No-one will want to challenge a vote-leader because it will invalidate the majority and put your own neck on the line for a random death. People who don’t follow the majority will be looked on skeptically as scum because they are pushing for ties. Town better have some awesome powers. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/49 "2009-03-08T19:09:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Ugh, this tie voting stuff is very anti-town. No-one will want to challenge a vote-leader because it will invalidate the majority and put your own neck on the line for a random death. I was sort of thinking that, too… As soon as Alice gets one vote, nobody is going to want to be the first to place a vote for Bob, since that first vote would create a tie. Yeah, maybe someone else will join the Bob bandwagon once it’s started, but who’s going to start it? ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/50 "2009-03-08T20:27:59Z")
Well not only that, but lets say Alice has two votes and Bob has two, but I really think Bob is scum and so do you. I vote Bob, but now you don’t want to because 1) you don’t want to put your own neck out in case the tie remains 2) You will be perceived as scummy for tying the vote and invalidating both Alice and Bob lynches until someone else votes. The setup is very anti-voting. Anything anti-voting is undercutting the only real tool the town has. This is already looking to be extremely non simple =p ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/51 "2009-03-08T22:46:07Z")
What ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/52 "2009-03-08T22:47:07Z")
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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/53 "2009-03-08T22:48:07Z")
HECK! ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/54 "2009-03-08T22:53:55Z")
**Vote peekercpa** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/55 "2009-03-08T23:15:47Z")
> [@rexnervous](#): > > **Vote peekercpa** > > 🙂 Ok. I am going to like you. No logic and firing away, Woot woot. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/56 "2009-03-09T01:27:33Z")
Out of curiosity Peek, what is your survival ratio in Mafia games? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/57 "2009-03-09T02:09:04Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Well not only that, but lets say Alice has two votes and Bob has two, but I really think Bob is scum and so do you. > > I vote Bob, but now you don’t want to because 1) you don’t want to put your own neck out in case the tie remains 2) You will be perceived as scummy for tying the vote and invalidating both Alice and Bob lynches until someone else votes. > > The setup is very anti-voting. Anything anti-voting is undercutting the only real tool the town has. This is already looking to be extremely non simple =p I think this is going to be one of those things we’re just going to have to ignore. I think we should pretend the rules about ties don’t exist, unless we’re close to lynch time with a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/58 "2009-03-09T04:59:39Z")
I completely agree. I look forward to seeing you reverse your position when you get a scum role. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/59 "2009-03-09T05:05:18Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > I completely agree. I look forward to seeing you reverse your position when you get a scum role. And I look forward to personally building the bandwagon on the godfather this time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/60 "2009-03-09T13:30:54Z")
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