# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/621 "2009-03-24T18:51:13Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m not trying to smudge. I just think it might be interesting to go back and look at the original posts in light of this new information. > \ > I don’t mean this as a smudge, and I’m obviously not even voting or accusing you. To be honest, \ > [@special\_ed](#): > > No smudges are intended, just indicating my investigation targets for the near future. If anyone has comments on these topics, that would be appreciated. > [@special\_ed](#): > > These are just comments and not accusations or defenses of anyone. I don’t know their alignment, I’m only pointing out one possibility. > [@special\_ed](#): > > The term we often use for that is “flinging poo” and it’s a tried and true scum tactic. It’s anti-town because it’s really just trying to smudge as many people as you can without really backing it up. You seem very concerned that people think you are smudging. And a lot of your remaining posts are short ones pointing out smudges. > [@special\_ed](#): > > a consensus decision does not always equal the correct decision. It hasn’t been brought up in light of the fact that we DO have werewolves. The discussion was before that realization for most of us. Actually, it think it has been brought up a while ago: > [@special\_ed](#): > > Who was it that had the conversation which assumed wolves? > > \*\*straggler \*\*and **mental guy**? > > could our Scum faction be a conglomeration of different bad guys? Ah it was you! That was on Saturday and if you have time to do a quick search for ‘several’, why haven’t you taken a quick look at the ‘wolves’ slip post by **MentalGuy** to confirm or deny your ping? I mean, why not follow your own advice (my underline)? > [@special\_ed](#): > > [@Everyone](https://boards.straightdope.com/groups/everyone), we’re starting to get more and more data now. I’m thinking most of it won’t prove useful in the long run, but it’s all we have to decide on a course of action. A re-read or two as the Day goes on might not be a bad thing. Relying on only your memory can lead to errors (especially if you’re playing in multiple games on multiple sites which are visually presented in identical manners) **Vote special ed** For telling what to do, but not doing it himself. For seeing smudges, but telling others his aren’t. That said, if **kitten** keeps silent, she is dead weight and should be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/622 "2009-03-24T19:10:54Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > Post [490](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10950960&postcount=490): Posting for the first time since **Pleo** switched his vote, **Sitnam** casts aspersions on a number of other players before shifting his lynch vote to **straggler.** Given **straggler’s** behavior, **Sitnam’s** vote is defensible, but I find the timing suspect. I’ll come back to this point in a minute. Actually, listing his reasons why he suspects people is a good thing (and he voted **straggler** for not doing it). That is is main reason I didn’t revote **Sitnam** Today. Yet, because you Pleonast link is convincing and doesn’t clash with my reasoning he is probably-not-Cabal. > [@](#): > > For the life of me I can’t see what it is about **sarchertorte’s** remarks that would lead **Sitnam** to believe this. However: _if_ **Sitnam** is a member of the wolf faction, he would know at least how many wolves there are, and how many other players (townspeople/cabal). Are you missing a ‘estimate better’ in the last part? I mean, the Cabal and Werewolves are separate factions, so I don’t think they would know for sure how many members the other factions got. > [@](#): > > **unvote sachertorte** > **vote Sitnam** > > Sorry, **Sitnam.** Nothing personal, but you just seem to be the most suspicious player to me at the moment. I missed that vote for sachertorte in my count, but it wasn’t valid in the Night I think :p. Personally, I don’t think anyone should take a vote personally. It is a game after all, so the comment seems a bit redundant (though doesn’t hurt of course). ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/623 "2009-03-24T19:22:36Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > You seem very concerned that people think you are smudging. And a lot of your remaining posts are short ones pointing out smudges. > Actually, it think it has been brought up a while ago: > > Ah it was you! That was on Saturday and if you have time to do a quick search for ‘several’, why haven’t you taken a quick look at the ‘wolves’ slip post by **MentalGuy** to confirm or deny your ping? > I mean, why not follow your own advice (my underline)? > **Vote special ed** > For telling what to do, but not doing it himself. For seeing smudges, but telling others his aren’t. > That said, if **kitten** keeps silent, she is dead weight and should be lynched. You are correct. I have, however, taken a look at the ping I have on the ‘wolves’ thing. And it remains just a meaningless ping. To be honest (is that phrase allowed on this board), aside from **kitten** , who I made a case against yesterDay, I’m not really getting much of a read on anyone. As much as I’d like to be able to make something out of the ‘wolves’ or ‘several’ posts, there’s just not a lot there. I want to be sure I’m not coming across as smudging is just for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/624 "2009-03-24T20:42:16Z")
We’re getting close to the end of the Day, so I’m going to turn [my FOS](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10966102&postcount=610) into a vote. **Vote Sitnam** Also, I disagree that **Sitnam** ’s vote for **straggler** makes it unlikely that he’s a Cabalist. It could have been a bussing. As **Sitnam** mentioned himself, his vote came within 16 hours of Day End. Even though **straggler** was only one vote ahead at the time, it was unlikely that someone else would get lynched, because changing votes so close to the deadline could have led to a tie. So **Sitnam** ’s vote didn’t really change the outcome, but had the benefit of giving him townie points once it was revealed that **straggler** is scum. In any case, it doesn’t matter to me whether **Sitnam** is a Cabalist or a werewolf, as long as he’s scum 😃 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/625 "2009-03-24T21:01:35Z")
1 - Ichini Sanshigo (Hero From Sector 7G) 3 - Sitnam (Almost Human, Mr. Svinlesha, ok11) 4 - willthekittensurvive? (Oredigger77, Nanook of the North Shore, [Undecided] Adrian, MentalGuy) 1 - special ed (Natlaw) ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/626 "2009-03-25T03:02:23Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > I also want to mention that I still have a lingering suspicion of **Seeker**. > FOS **Ichini** > Ichini, it’s unfortunate that you’re coming into the game with a strike against you, but I’m not going to overlook your predecessor’s behavior. bleached I want to address your concerns, but I don’t feel like it right now. Seriously, I’ve been a bit busy, but I hope to be able to give this full attention tomorrow evening. If I may ask, what exactly is it that had you suspicious of **Seeker**? I mean, there’s strategy and there’s play-style, and if your suspicions are based on play-styl, there’s not much I can do at this point, simply b/c you haven’t had much time to see _my_ style. I’m not even sure what my style is (this is my 2nd game, after dying Day 2 in the Split). If it’s strategy in question, that’s different. Wait. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/627 "2009-03-25T03:53:51Z")
Okay, so basically **pedescribe** was the first person to vote for **Seeker** for using specious reasoning in his vote for **Oredigger** based on **Oredigger’s** alleged “eagerness” to begin being a scum tell. Well, bad logic and the fact that is was a me-too echo of Pleonast (now confirmed to be a wolf). **Ped** later dropped this vote in favor of **MentalGuy** for his slip/assumption about wolves being the scum of choice and communicating during the day. In Post 252 **Seeker** says **peeker** has posted a lot of fluff and FOS’s our strange little accountant. (Peeker-CPA, get it? HA! I crack me up, yuk yuk yuk). In #330 **ok11** FOS’s **Seeker** on his inaccurate/shallow analysis of post count vs. post content, and later **Hero** votes for **Seeker** based on this. Rest assured that I despise voting based solely on post count. That was the big fad over in the Split for a minute, and that’s probably where **Seeker** got it from, but I’ve always hated voting for the quietest/lurkiest poster, as it’s little more than a random vote, and voting for the most frequent posters suffers the same weakness: even with an analysis of the vote content, it’s more likely that vote count is a reflection of personality/off-board preoccupation/etc, than a reflection of scummitude. Um, more tomorrow evening. The friggin’ day is over Thursday. _Thursday_ people! I’m dead tired and I’ve got to get up at like, friggin’ 5AM tomorrow. Screw the hair, it’s going into another ponytail. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Svinlesha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/22d042/32.png) [@Mr.Svinlesha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Svinlesha)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/628 "2009-03-25T05:36:10Z")
**Natlaw:** To clarify: > [@](#): > > _However: if Sitnam is a member of the wolf faction, he would know at least how many wolves there are, and how many other players (townspeople/cabal)._ What I mean is, if **Sitnam** is a werewolf, he at least knows how many wolves there are, vs. how many non-wolves (townspeople+cabal). His post indicates to me that he finds the number of non-wolves daunting. He _might_ know how many wolves+cabal there are, vs. town, if the wolves and cabal are working together. Either way, he seems to feel outnumbered. It’s worth noting that **Sitnam** is the only player who associated **sachertorte’s** remarks to a lament over game imbalance. It’s far from definitive proof, but a brother does have to wonder what would lead him to make that association: and it seems to me that an awareness of the actual number of wolves (few) is a good explanation. He’s worried that he’s outnumbered, quite simply, and accidentally let that worry slip out by interpreting **sach’s** statement the way he did. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/629 "2009-03-25T06:28:44Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > In #330 **ok11** FOS’s **Seeker** on his inaccurate/shallow analysis of post count vs. post content, and later **Hero** votes for **Seeker** based on this. Your time line is wrong. Your “summary” of my vote is wrong. [Post 187](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10935829&postcount=187) is where I laid out my reasoning against **Seeker** and voted. This is twice now. Again, what is your motivation? ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/630 "2009-03-25T07:04:59Z")
Gadzooks this game is messing with my head. **Sitnam’s** comments about one faction targeting the other bugs me - as previously pointed out, it implies a lot of prior knowledge - scummy or just a poor idea…hmm However, **Mental Guy’s** discussion with Straggler on day 1 around wolves really bugs me - not that Straggler mentioned wolves (which was probably an innocent mistake) but that MG didn’t correct him and accepted Wolves. So flipping the proverbial coin **vote mental guy** ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/631 "2009-03-25T10:51:51Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > Your time line is wrong. Your “summary” of my vote is wrong. [Post 187](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10935829&postcount=187) is where I laid out my reasoning against **Seeker** and voted. > > This is twice now. Again, what is your motivation? Because I looked through the thread like 3 times between **Seeker’s** last post (252) and a page or so past **ok11’s** post, and I didn’t see your vote. Apparently you voted for **Seeker** even before (way before) his lame post against **peeker**. And, ironically, or maybe coincidentally, I see you made a “me-too” vote for **Seeker** because _he_ made a me-too vote for **Oredigger**. If that’s a good enough justification for voting for someone, maybe I should just **Vote Hero From Sector 7G**. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/632 "2009-03-25T14:09:10Z")
> [@Mr.Svinlesha](#): > > \*\*Natlaw:\*\*It’s worth noting that **Sitnam** is the only player who associated **sachertorte’s** remarks to a lament over game imbalance. It’s far from definitive proof, but a brother does have to wonder what would lead him to make that association: and it seems to me that an awareness of the actual number of wolves (few) is a good explanation. He’s worried that he’s outnumbered, quite simply, and accidentally let that worry slip out by interpreting **sach’s** statement the way he did. I’m not sure if you’re fishing or if I should be insulted because you think I’m this stupid. In the [Infamous **straggler** Indictment](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10950960&postcount=490) I mentioned I didn’t have enough to vote for **willthekittensurvive?** that day, but I warned him I still wasn’t sure he was clean. Above all I said [what you shouldn’t do is hide once accused.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10952981&postcount=503) So far I don’t want to say he’s hiding (life could have gotten in the way) but toDay his incredibly rare fragment sentence posts keep me from getting any kind of a better read and it’s making me more and more nervous. For now: **vote willthekittensurvive?** ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/633 "2009-03-25T15:03:42Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > I see you made a “me-too” vote for **Seeker** because _he_ made a me-too vote for **Oredigger**. If that’s a good enough justification for voting for someone, maybe I should just > > **Vote Hero From Sector 7G**. I don’t feel like you are reading my posts in good faith anymore. This is the third time. **Seeker** was inventing reasons out of the nothing and sitting on them. He actually accused **Oredigger** of using the board outage as some kind of subterfuge. I _asked_ if **Seeker** ’s vote was a “me too” vote. Obviously it wasn’t, in the same way that the post he was attacking wasn’t a “me too” vote. I thought maybe he would make the connection. I’m trying to figure out why you are reading this game way differently than I would expect, so much so you are wildly mis-reading posts. If you sincerely think I am scum now is a good time to lay out your case. This OMGUS stuff doesn’t reflect well on you. Remember, I thought **Seeker** was scum long before you joined this game. I’m sorry you took my skepticism of you personally, and I do appreciate you replacing into this game. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/634 "2009-03-25T19:42:19Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I have, however, taken a look at the ping I have on the ‘wolves’ thing. And it remains just a meaningless ping. But I assume you also took a closer look at **MentalGuy** in general, since he something he said pings you. Yet you haven’t commented on the other part of his supposed PIS slip (‘since [wolves] can talk during the Day’) or his [defense post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10943399#post10943399) except for a ‘huge block of text batman’ when **pedescribe** quoted it. > [@](#): > > To be honest (is that phrase allowed on this board) Well, to be honest, I only included that in the quote because you also were in the _SSBM!_ game where it was _coined_ a scum tell. I don’t _honestly_ think it is one, if it helps :p. > [@](#): > > As much as I’d like to be able to make something out of the ‘wolves’ or ‘several’ posts, there’s just not a lot there. I want to be sure I’m not coming across as smudging is just for that reason. About the ‘several’ I can see why you don’t think there is a lot about it, since you yourself mentioned you thought about the possibility. > [@special\_ed](#): > > To be honest, the thought occurred to me that we could have up to 4 scum factions (with 3 members each, perhaps possessing different powers, and 8 Townies left.) Though I felt 2 or 3 was probably more reasonableSo coming up with the idea isn’t necessarily scummy. I just thought someone leaking PIS might assume it. Looking for PIS is fine, but somehow that turned into a ‘A couple people implying’, well, smudge. > [@special\_ed](#): > > A couple of players have implied that there’s more than 2 scum factions. I need to do a re-read on this to see exactly how it came about, but if we do have more than 2, is it PIS? For the record, in my re-read I found: my ‘that means we got (at least) three factions: Town, Cabal and Wolf’, **Adrian** s ‘With several scum factions’ and your ‘As a member of a potential 3rd, as of yet undiscovered, anti-town faction’. Is keeping the possibility open like you and I did also PIS or only when it is a statement like Adrian did (ignoring if it was a possible language misuse)? ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/635 "2009-03-25T20:01:52Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > Also, I disagree that **Sitnam** ’s vote for **straggler** makes it unlikely that he’s a Cabalist. It could have been a bussing. How do you explain **straggler** s vote for **Sitnam** which tied him (3-3) with **kitten** then? > [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Um, more tomorrow evening. The friggin’ day is over Thursday. _Thursday_ people! I’m dead tired and I’ve got to get up at like, friggin’ 5AM tomorrow. Screw the hair, it’s going into another ponytail. ☹ And we got only half of the people voting at the moment - did people forget why **straggler** s plan was bad?. And not a peep from the lynch leader either. About the hair… it seems the next [full moon](http://www.lunarrepublic.com/info/phases.shtml) is still a couple of weeks away? On the other hand, [Cabal hairdressers](http://ccg.gamingblog.fr/12027/Altered-Art-Cabal-Hairdresser-Ron-Spencer/) are not unheard of… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/636 "2009-03-25T20:04:39Z")
1 - Hero From Sector 7G (Ichini Sanshigo) 1 - MentalGuy (BillMC) 1 - Ichini Sanshigo (Hero From Sector 7G) 3 - Sitnam (Almost Human, Mr. Svinlesha, ok11) 5 - **willthekittensurvive?** (Oredigger77, Nanook of the North Shore, [Undecided] Adrian, MentalGuy, Sitnam) 1 - special ed (Natlaw) ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/637 "2009-03-25T20:16:26Z")
Whoops, there were three more votes since the previous count by **sachertorte** , so that is one-third not voting (12 out of 18) at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/638 "2009-03-25T21:45:43Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > How do you explain **straggler** s vote for **Sitnam** which tied him (3-3) with **kitten** then? I can think of an explanation, but now that I’ve actually typed it up, I see that the odds of it being right are pretty slim. I had a theory that **straggler** put one Cabalist on his [list of suspicions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10943602&postcount=358), to distance himself from that player in case one of them got caught. Considering **straggler** ’s weak justification for putting him on the list, I thought **Sitnam** was that Cabalist. I figured the vote for **Sitnam** could have been done for the same reason (distancing). There was still plenty of time for **straggler** to change his vote to **kitten** if **Sitnam** was in real danger later on. But now that I look at it, Occam’s razor suggests that **Sitnam** isn’t a Cabalist. > [@Ichini Sanshigo; 10970695](#): > > Because I looked through the thread like 3 times between **Seeker’s** last post (252) and a page or so past **ok11’s** post, and I didn’t see your vote. Didn’t you look at the vote counts? We had 9 of them on Day 1, and in the first 6, **Hero** is the only one voting for **Seeker**. And yet you noticed **pedescribe** ’s vote, which came only a few posts before **Hero** ’s (on the same page), but wasn’t on any of the vote counts. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/639 "2009-03-26T02:27:06Z")
sorry for the absence. I was out drinking last night and spent today trying to buy a house. I’ll catch up here and vote, though, before reading, I’m leaning towards kitten still. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/640 "2009-03-26T02:40:30Z")
> [@Natlaw](#): > > For the record, in my re-read I found: my ‘that means we got (at least) three factions: Town, Cabal and Wolf’, **Adrian** s ‘With several scum factions’ and your ‘As a member of a potential 3rd, as of yet undiscovered, anti-town faction’. Is keeping the possibility open like you and I did also PIS or only when it is a statement like Adrian did (ignoring if it was a possible language misuse)? You’re right. I made the accusation about the ‘several’ comment. Looked into it further, and really found nothing. Language or not, it was a reasonable assumption. What I didn’t like about Adrian is that he just used ‘several’ without applying a condition, such as “If there are several…” or “Assuming several…” In the end, it was my assumption that this might potentially be a scum tale that I found lacking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=33)