# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/701 "2009-03-31T00:33:06Z")

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You didn’t answer my question. Yes or no, have you even read all of today’s posts?

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/702 "2009-03-31T00:39:14Z")

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> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#):
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> You didn’t answer my question. Yes or no, have you even read all of today’s posts?

methinks you might need a lesson in tact.

Your style of questioning seems accusatory. If you were Town, I’d think you’d use a more direct approach.

Something along the lines of, “I noticed that you didn;'t comment on this PostXXX, despite the fact that you later said XXXXXXX” It seems odd. Were you skimming?"

Your style implies that you noticed something but you’re not sharing it. It seems a good tactic for Scum, just accuse someone and see if anything turns up. Then you can go after them. If not, you can simply say, “I was just asking a simple question”

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**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/703 "2009-03-31T00:56:01Z")

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**Ed** Fair enough.

**Peeker** , you are difficult to understand. I haven’t attacked you, I’ve asked for clarification several times. Yet you keep dancing around and hitting me with some zing like I’m some idiot for not understanding your secret ways.

> [@peekercpa](#):
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> Ok, this is going to seem a wee bit like pot calling kettle black. But, I at least had a reason for being kind of out of touch.
> 
> **oredigger**
> 
> To be revisited.

> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#):
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> Was that a vote? Your posts are confusing enough as it is… now I gotta decipher your color patterns.

> [@peekercpa](#):
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> And, **Hero** yep it twer a vote. Please keep up.

> [@peekercpa](#):
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> Yepper.
> 
> This durn thread was fucking dead yesterDay. I am going to attempt to poke the ant hill and get some movement. Ya think that’s bad?

> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#):
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> Of course not. But I don’t see how you being confusing helps anything.
> 
> _You didn’t actually vote_. Than you _unvoted_. On top of your weird language I have to double guess even your votes? Help us out a little bit here and at least proof-read your crazyness to make sure it is exactly as crazy as you intend. Being snide and telling me to “keep up” sure doesn’t help.

I thought maybe you made a typo. I kept asking, over and over, but you seem to not even care enough to respond directly, instead you are coy and insulting. **Special Ed** noticed you didn’t actually vote, he even mentioned it, but you didn’t address him either. If you have read everything today you would have noticed that too, and perhaps felt inclined to respond to it, but you didn’t.

So here I am, trying to figure out if you made a typo or have some weird limitation to your posting. You keep avoiding it so now I’m trying to decide if your are oblivious or hinting at something. Alternately, if you missed it, than you aren’t even bothering to read this game closely. I’m trying to decide if this is just another face of your weirdness, or if it is scummy.

> [@Peeker](#):
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> **Vote Hero**
> 
> Did you get the vote this time?

I got it.

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**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/704 "2009-03-31T01:13:24Z")

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In cleaning up the coding I deleted the the link to **ed** ’s post

> [@me](#):
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> **Special Ed** noticed you didn’t actually vote, he even mentioned it **explicitly** [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10985259&postcount=682),

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/705 "2009-03-31T01:47:54Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> methinks you might need a lesson in tact.
> 
> Your style of questioning seems accusatory. If you were Town, I’d think you’d use a more direct approach.
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> Something along the lines of, “I noticed that you didn;'t comment on this PostXXX, despite the fact that you later said XXXXXXX” It seems odd. Were you skimming?"
> 
> Your style implies that you noticed something but you’re not sharing it. It seems a good tactic for Scum, just accuse someone and see if anything turns up. Then you can go after them. If not, you can simply say, “I was just asking a simple question”

Ah yes, **Ed**. Exactly, accusations without evidence. That would be a pro-town play.  
So, **hero** what you gotta say? Seriously, I am trying to engage in discussion. You think that bad then just say so. Holy crud.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/706 "2009-03-31T01:52:35Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> Ah yes, **Ed**. Exactly, accusations without evidence. That would be a pro-town play.  
> So, **hero** what you gotta say? Seriously, I am trying to engage in discussion. You think that bad then just say so. Holy crud.

I don’t believe you’re engaging in any discussion. You post your rambling intentionally indecipherable script in third person and shrug “that’s me” whenever anyone asks you what you’re talking about.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/707 "2009-03-31T01:56:17Z")

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Further, I notice your penchant for agreeing or disagreeing with others posters but your reluctance to offer your own diagnosis.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/708 "2009-03-31T02:00:46Z")

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And **hero** I am a linear poster. That’s the way it is and so shall remain. Gotta problem with that take it up with me and tab off line.

You gotta hard on with the way I post, take it up with Og.

So I vote you for taking the same old lame ol Peeker voting option. Dude, that is so yesterday. Seriously, can you give a reason other than lame shit.

Phuq, methinks that the scum are going to ride this one for a bit. Big problem. This shit don’t stink no more. Yep, I play my game but the third vote, scum will never do that and peek is out of his mind just don’t swing too high anymore.

Sorry dude, how bout something concrete?

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/709 "2009-03-31T02:05:25Z")

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> [@Sitnam](#):
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> I don’t believe you’re engaging in any discussion. You post your rambling intentionally indecipherable script in third person and shrug “that’s me” whenever anyone asks you what you’re talking about.

Ok. This is at least honest. What would you have me address more directly?

I will give it a try.

Anything would be better than yesterday.

So I am game.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/710 "2009-03-31T02:13:37Z")

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> [@Sitnam](#):
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> Further, I notice your penchant for agreeing or disagreeing with others posters but your reluctance to offer your own diagnosis.

Ok, chickadee. I get myopic and that is my weakness. I thnk that **bill** is something. I also think that you are non town aligned. Ok, cool, you happy now.

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**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/711 "2009-03-31T02:17:36Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> So I vote you for taking the same old lame ol Peeker voting option.

What does this mean?

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/712 "2009-03-31T02:23:35Z")

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> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#):
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> What does this mean?

Ok. I’ll try to be nice. For whatever reason my posting style draws a lot of attnention.

At times there has been movements to eliminate me because of this. I, personally think that this is a poor reason.

That’s all.

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**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/713 "2009-03-31T03:04:56Z")

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Reading the first posts leads me to believe you think I am voting on you. The second post has nothing to do with me.

I’m pretty fed up at this point. You just said you voted me for either:

a) voting on you (I’m not)  
b) to show the town that your posting style isn’t something to be questioned.

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Did you read Post 703? Why didn’t you reply to it?

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/714 "2009-03-31T03:47:52Z")

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> [@Almost\_Human](#):
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> So you’re voting for me because I “seemed to want people to casually accept that my “scum can day-talk” assumption should be an automatic vote against me.” and that I sort of defended kitten.

No, I am voting for you because I thought “What did the scum need to achieve?”, “How would scum do that?”, and “Who seems to be doing those things?”. The stuff mentioned in the quote above is just sort of extra evidence for me and places you a bit ahead of Natlaw and ok11 on my list of suspicion.

I slipped up and said wolves in the response to straggler and got unlucky that there are actually wolves in the game. I don’t really have any way to defend myself if you see that as a PIS, so if you don’t believe me then I can certainly understand you voting for me.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/715 "2009-03-31T09:44:34Z")

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> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#):
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> **Ed** Fair enough.
> 
> **Peeker** , you are difficult to understand. I haven’t attacked you, I’ve asked for clarification several times. Yet you keep dancing around and hitting me with some zing like I’m some idiot for not understanding your secret ways.
> 
> I thought maybe you made a typo. I kept asking, over and over, but you seem to not even care enough to respond directly, instead you are coy and insulting. **Special Ed** noticed you didn’t actually vote, he even mentioned it, but you didn’t address him either. If you have read everything today you would have noticed that too, and perhaps felt inclined to respond to it, but you didn’t.
> 
> So here I am, trying to figure out if you made a typo or have some weird limitation to your posting. You keep avoiding it so now I’m trying to decide if your are oblivious or hinting at something. Alternately, if you missed it, than you aren’t even bothering to read this game closely. I’m trying to decide if this is just another face of your weirdness, or if it is scummy.  
> I got it.

It was intended to be a vote. Otherwise how could it be poking the ant mound. I honestly don’t know how sach would have responded if I left it that way. I would imagine that since intent is primary he would have most likely let it go. Having said that he is pretty retentive, or so I gather, so he also could have tossed it on a formality. But since it was meant to be a prod, I am disinclined to bother him with that level of minutiae.

Back in a second.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/716 "2009-03-31T09:48:21Z")

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The other thing that I have noticed is that for whatever reason this board seems to time out quickly. I don’t know if it is a setting or what. Since I play on a BB I’ve never been one for quoting multiple posts or really having any real lengthy ones either.

That’s why I play linear. Figure out where I was, start reading and respond as matters are encountered.

Back in a second.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/717 "2009-03-31T09:54:04Z")

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And when it comes to typos, just because I am lazy, I am inclined to shorten things. **Hero from Sector G** becomes **hero**. **special ed** becomes **ed** , etc. If this is scummy why aren’t you calling out folks who refer to me as **peek** as opposed to **peekercpa**?

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/718 "2009-03-31T10:02:36Z")

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NETA.

Obviously, **hero** was supposed to be **hero**. One more thing to get used to my style. I don’t have preview capability so it’s just a reread before hammering the thread.

And getting back to typos. Most mods seem to look to intent.

So that, for example, if I vote for hero but then turn around and unvote jero they will infer the intent and let it slide. I don’t know many, if any (poet coming up), if they were really getting skinny would hold you to that penny.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/719 "2009-03-31T10:13:20Z")

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And crappity crap. I forgot the damn **7**. This was not intended to be dismissive or snippy. Just another freakin’ typo.

And I also will comment on “scum skimming”. Having recently been scum offboard I can tell you that this is bullshit. Scum are picking posts apart letter by letter to come up with shit since non scum are just posting their reality. Scum, on the other hand have to make shit up to justify their reasoning while town are just posting honest analysis. So this whole “scum skim” has about as much play as “third vote” in my book.

Exits soapbox and goes back to bed now that the advil have kicked in.

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**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\
**Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/720 "2009-03-31T13:24:03Z")

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1 - Almost Human (MentalGuy)  
1 - Hero From Sector 7G (peekercpa)  
1 - MentalGuy (Almost Human)  
1 - Natlaw (Oredigger77)  
1 - Ichini Sanshigo (ok11)

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