# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 41

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**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/801 "2009-04-02T18:33:26Z")

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Well I was hoping for some sort of response from MG by now. I’ll try to get back online before the end of the Day but not sure if it’ll be possible which means my vote will likely remain where it is.

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**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/802 "2009-04-02T18:43:44Z")

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> [@BillMC](#):
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> You’ve said “masons” - plural - several times. This would imply there are at least 2 more masons in addition to yourself.
> 
> At least 5 masons in total…this doesn’t seem plausible in a game this size, and I’m having a hard time buying it.

On rereading, he actually claims five or more:

> [@MentalGuy](#):
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> I am a Mason. There is more than one other besides me.

He’s the third, more that one other is at least two, so five or more total. I count seven different people posting after his claim, so it could be the other haven’t been online. If the the other are the lurkers, that would really suck.  
With a possible double Night kill, the other might stay silent but they would probably also do that if his claim is false.  
How much time till Dusk? 1h20m or am I timezone off?

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**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/803 "2009-04-02T18:45:28Z")

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NETA: that should be others twice.

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/804 "2009-04-02T19:11:19Z")

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I intended to wait a little closer to lynch time to post this, but we are having thunder and lightning in the area and I am afraid my power might go out before I get a chance to post.

Well, it looks like the lynch mob is coming for me soon. The other Masons have apparently decided not to confirm me. I feel this is probably the correct decision on their part. Both for strategic reasons I mentioned in post 789 and also because it seems at this point confirming me would just cast further suspicion on them. A couple of pieces of game important information to remember after I am gone:

There were 5 Masons at the beginning of the game. After I am gone, there will still be two left. The strategic problems I mentioned in post 789 might make them hesitant to confirm one another.

The Masons have no off-board communication. (I am not absolutely sure I should have revealed that, but it will cause some of my posts to make a bit more sense.)

Other things that I want to mention but probably do not have a direct bearing on the game:

My assumption that the scum could day-talk was based only on the comment at the end of the revised rules. It had nothing to do with being a Mason or anything else. I simply parsed that sentence the way I would in normal life and came to the conclusion that scum could talk during the day. I may or may not be right, but nothing more than that should be read into it.

The reason I gave for saying assassins and wolves was the honest one.

The so-called “snuggle” comment was as I described it. I knew Adrian was a Mason, but was really just trying to make a flippant comment. I have learned my lesson and will be much more careful what I say in future games. And while I cast suspicion on Almost Human and ok11, do notice that several people seem to be hiding in the shadows.

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/805 "2009-04-02T19:39:36Z")

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Besides the fact that Day is again quiet as hell, 1/3 of town appears yet again to not care enough to vote.

Outside of a few, I’m getting the feeling that theres a growing majority that don’t really want to play anymore.

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**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/806 "2009-04-02T20:09:13Z")

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1 - Almost Human (MentalGuy)  
5 - **MentalGuy** (Almost Human, BillMC, pedescribe, special ed, Ichini Sanshigo)  
1 - Natlaw (Oredigger77)  
2 - Ichini Sanshigo (ok11, Hero From Sector 7G)  
1 - peekercpa (Sitnam)  
1 - special ed (Natlaw)  
The Town descends on MentalGuy despite his protests that he is a **Town Mason**. “No, he can’t be a Town Mason,” the crowd shouts. “That’s too many masons. Masons are a highly secretive group of… uh, two people. Yeah! Two people! Kill him!”

[RIGHT]So Town, have you decided what to do Today?[/RIGHT]  
Yes! We want to kill **MentalGuy**.  
[RIGHT]Um, okay. Really?[/RIGHT]  
Yes.  
[RIGHT]Really, really?[/RIGHT]  
Yes. Yes!  
[RIGHT]Even though he’s a **Town Mason**?[/RIGHT]  
Uh, what?  
[RIGHT]Yeah, I won’t lynch **MentalGuy**. He worked on my house last Fall, did a really good job. Those **Town Masons** are really good at… Masonry.[/RIGHT]

**Mental Guy, a Town Mason, is very much alive.**  
**Batman Jenkems** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.  
**paulwhoisaghost** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.  
**Mr.Svinlesha** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/807 "2009-04-02T20:10:35Z")

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What? I’m still here?

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**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/808 "2009-04-02T20:17:41Z")

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12 players are alive:  
[del]Nanook of the North Shore[/del] **Town Mason**  
Hero From Sector 7G  
[del]Pleonast[/del] **Werewolf**  
Seeker of Truth and Beauty Ichini Sanshigo  
pedescribe  
Sitnam  
[del]rexnervous Mr. Svinlesha[/del]  
peekercpa  
special ed  
Natlaw  
[del][Undecided] Adrian[/del] **Town Mason**  
[del]willthekittensurvive?[/del] **Cabalist**  
[del]straggler[/del] **Cabalist**  
Oredigger77  
BillMC  
MentalGuy **Town Mason**  
Almost Human  
[del]paulwhoisaghost[/del]  
ok11  
[del]Batman Jenkems[/del]

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**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/809 "2009-04-02T20:23:01Z")

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Looks like you are :). I guess we can only toast on it now and discuss it Tomorrow. It is definitely not-so-simple in Simpletown!

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**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/810 "2009-04-02T20:38:16Z")

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Uhhh . . . ok . . . I think I need a beer.

Fat Tire please.

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**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/811 "2009-04-02T20:51:27Z")

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Definitely not so simple - fat tire sounds good

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**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/812 "2009-04-02T21:07:02Z")

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Even when I try to be right, I’m wrong! A fat tire sounds like something I need as well.

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**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/813 "2009-04-02T21:31:22Z")

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…well, at least he didn’t die.

Still…☹

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/814 "2009-04-02T22:10:41Z")

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> [@sachertorte](#):
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> **Mental Guy, a Town Mason, is very much alive.**  
> **Batman Jenkems** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.  
> **paulwhoisaghost** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.  
> **Mr.Svinlesha** has been removed from the game for lack of participation on Day Three.

Not dead AND confirmed?

a mason strongman?

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/815 "2009-04-02T22:15:10Z")

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oops, shit, no strategy at Night in _this_ game.

Sorry, don’t mod kill me, please

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**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\
**Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/816 "2009-04-02T22:33:39Z")

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> [@MentalGuy](#):
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> What? I’m still here?

Gosh I hope so. If you skip town too, I’ll be pissed.

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**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/817 "2009-04-03T17:09:54Z")

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Clarification:  
MentalGuy not dying and the removal of three players are independent events. The one has nothing to do with the others.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/818 "2009-04-03T22:43:56Z")

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> [@Sitnam](#):
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> Besides the fact that Day is again quiet as hell, 1/3 of town appears yet again to not care enough to vote.
> 
> Outside of a few, I’m getting the feeling that theres a growing majority that don’t really want to play anymore.

Well this is certainly not strategy. Last wee I was traveling and forgot my rechard cord. So I was dead in the water for a couple of days. This week IS finally decided to help me with my BB.

And I amcertainly not looking for any sympathy but functionality was close to zero. I could scroll sideways or up but not down. So for the past three weeks I have been relegated to going to the bottom of a page, then scrolling up to where I left off, then going back to end of the page, repeat for freaking ever.

And on some of the longer quote posts because you have to go sideways one character at a time the system would literally time out before I could even finish my post.

Like I said, no sympathy expected but it is reality.

Peek

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/819 "2009-04-03T22:49:48Z")

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So I am certainly looking forward to a more interactive and fulfilling play style for the rest of this game.

Maybe one that will even have less typos and be more grammatically correct. Previous post exluded.

I am so excited, my nubbin’ goes down.

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**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/820 "2009-04-03T23:50:50Z")

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I think I need another drink to erase the image of your “nubbin’” going down.

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