# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/921 "2009-04-08T09:18:33Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > I am a Master Assassin, I move unseen and cannot be tracked or watched. > > I’m effectively a compulsory vig. > > However, my loyalties change depending on who I kill - if I kill town, I become non-town, if I kill non-town I become pro-town. > > On Night 1 I killed Pleo (werewolf) > On Night 2 I killed Adrian (mason) - oops my bad! > On Night 3 I killed Natlaw (werewolf) > > I did not kill Nanook or Oredigger - someone else did. > > Peeker, I don’t know whether Sach is doing night actions in the order they arrive or in a preset order, but since I killed Adrian on night 2, I would have thought my alignment for day/night 3 would be non-town. > > I place my talents at the service of the town. Doing the middle of the night prostrate driven pp run and re-read. I don’t know how I missed this initially. This is a very good question. I don’t know of any game where night actions are resolved on submittal. Typically, in my experience, it has been x then y then z. Usually the blocks go first, then the redirectors, then the kills and finally the vests. Otherwise you could have a kill on A submitted early with a subsequent block or protect coming in later. And then said block or protect would be invalidated because of timing. I don’t see that being the case. **[/color=green]Mod question: any help on night resolutions?[/color]** Looks at stone and awaits response. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/922 "2009-04-08T09:20:49Z")
Fuck it. I am going back to sleep. Coding can just take a back seat. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/923 "2009-04-08T15:10:28Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Hangonhangonhangon–you think I’m a wolf? The last wolf? Or do you think that both the wolves and cabal can’t kill? Because if it’s the former, that’s one hell of a leap of intuition you just made to justify an OMGUS, and if the latter, then that seems highly far-fetched. No need to hang on - I said neither of those. Why would I think you are a wolf? Why leap to the conclusion I think you are wolf? I certainly didn’t. Why would I think both the wolves and cabal can’t kill? I never suggested that either. What is clear is that there is someone/group that has a discretionary killing power. Maybe they chose not to kill on Night 1, may be they did target Almost, or may be we both targeted Pleo (tho I would rule that out on the color not indicating a double hit - e.g. in spooky house where both killers targeted the same person, the color indicated two methods of death). OMGUS - absolutely not. While I can see the other claimed roles have some sort of purpose toward investigating/watching/catching night killers. However survivor seems a very bland vanilla role for “not so simple”. So I think your claim is the least plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/924 "2009-04-08T15:49:03Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > I’ll die town - so it’s fine with me. > > If someone else also turns up dead tomorrow, I’d take a long hard look at **Pede** , indeed I would suggest that **Peeker** take that look tonight\*\*. You know, you still haven’t answered my question. Do you think I’m the last werewolf, and that the werewolves can kill, or do you think I’m an SK, or do you think I’m killing cabal and Ichini is completely lying, yet still non-town? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/925 "2009-04-08T15:50:16Z")
Simulpost! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/926 "2009-04-08T15:51:18Z")
Actually, I just got distracted and forgot to refresh. Either way, disregard #924, as I wasn’t paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/927 "2009-04-08T15:58:40Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > No need to hang on - I said neither of those. > > Why would I think you are a wolf? Why leap to the conclusion I think you are wolf? I certainly didn’t. > > Why would I think both the wolves and cabal can’t kill? I never suggested that either. > What is clear is that there is someone/group that has a discretionary killing power. > > Maybe they chose not to kill on Night 1, may be they did target Almost, or may be we both targeted Pleo (tho I would rule that out on the color not indicating a double hit - e.g. in spooky house where both killers targeted the same person, the color indicated two methods of death). > > OMGUS - absolutely not. > > While I can see the other claimed roles have some sort of purpose toward investigating/watching/catching night killers. However survivor seems a very bland vanilla role for “not so simple”. So I think your claim is the least plausible. What, and doctor, mason, are much more complex and rare than survivor? And why I asked is this: you think I’m a killing party. But the question is, which one? You clearly implied that killing me would stop the kills, so if I’m on a team kill group, I’d be the last of my kind. Unless Ichini is lying about everything, clearly I’m not cabal, then. You could be saying I’m a werewolf, but as I pointed out, I’d have to be the last werewolf. Is that what you’re saying? Or, given your thought, I could be an SK. But if that was true, then neither the cabal or wolves could kill, which would be extraordinarily unlikely in my opinion. Of course, your labyrinthine assumption is untrue, meaning the game designer didn’t go through all those hoops and jumps–but you did. My point being that you are using faulty logic and/or massive leaps in assumption in order to accuse me, making your conclusion very unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/928 "2009-04-08T20:29:07Z")
8 - **Ichini Sanshigo** (peekercpa, special ed, Almost Human, ok11, Hero From Sector 7G, MentalGuy, pedescribe, Sitnam) 1 - pedescribe (BillMC) ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/929 "2009-04-08T20:30:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > **sach, can we quote from our pms or just paraphrase?** > > Just in case we go down the mass role claim bit. You can post whatever you like. > [@peekercpa](#): > > **Mod question: If there is a player that their win condition can change, how will my inevestigation read? Original role or current status?** Read the Rules. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/930 "2009-04-08T21:38:18Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > 8 - **Ichini Sanshigo** (peekercpa, special ed, Almost Human, ok11, Hero From Sector 7G, MentalGuy, pedescribe, Sitnam) > 1 - pedescribe (BillMC) Who am I to disagree with the will of the town **unvote pede** **vote Ichini** ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/931 "2009-04-08T23:11:54Z")
Bloody hell! Seriously guys, reconsider. I’m _telling_ you, there’s gotta be another wolf out there, or someone else who can kill who isn’t town ( **BillMC** , I’m eyeballin’ you). Eliminating the Cabal will not win this for you. Look for your night killer/killers today. Save me for a later lynch. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/932 "2009-04-08T23:36:07Z")
> [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](#): > > **Peeker** \> > > Go back to [page 16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509422&page=16). The votes were tied, two for Mentalguy, two for Ichini. You unvoted me, than did nothing. Why didn’t you vote on Ichini than? Kind of circling the wagons and trying to tie up loose ends in case this is my last day. Did you not read about my charger situation? Crud, dude. I’ve been playing normal, for me. You got upset and I apologized. You have accused me of fixating on you undeservedly. That’s fine. I have backed off and yet … Peek ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/933 "2009-04-09T00:00:34Z")
> [@BillMC](#): > > Who am I to disagree with the will of the town > > **unvote pede** > > **vote Ichini** You still haven’t answered the question! Just answer this one thing–you think I’m the other killer. What type of killer do you think I am? Part of a team, or by myself? It’s not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/934 "2009-04-09T00:25:11Z")
> [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](#): > > Bloody hell! Seriously guys, reconsider. I’m _telling_ you, there’s gotta be another wolf out there, or someone else who can kill who isn’t town ( **BillMC** , I’m eyeballin’ you). Eliminating the Cabal will not win this for you. Look for your night killer/killers today. Save me for a later lynch. You admit you’re anti-town, but that we should trust you can’t night kill. You keep focusing on the last part, we keep focusing on the first part. Nobody here thinks we’ll win today with your lynch, but I have yet to hear a reason why lynching you is a bad idea…not even from you. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/935 "2009-04-09T05:32:09Z")
[quote=“peekercpa, post:932, topic:488592”] Did you not read about my charger situation?/QUOTE]I did not. I feel like I missed something important but even on a re-read I can’t find it. My apologies for missing a subtlety. It doesn’t matter. **Ichini** confirmed you, so I have no skepticism. On a planning note, who should I hide with? I’m still not certain if it does anything, so it might not matter one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/936 "2009-04-09T16:06:42Z")
[quote=“Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G, post:935, topic:488592”] > [@peekercpa](#): > > Did you not read about my charger situation?/QUOTE]I did not. I feel like I missed something important but even on a re-read I can’t find it. My apologies for missing a subtlety. > > It doesn’t matter. **Ichini** confirmed you, so I have no skepticism. > > On a planning note, who should I hide with? I’m still not certain if it does anything, so it might not matter one way or another. \*\* fluff \*\* Party at **Ed’s**? I’ll bring a keg and provide the entertainment 😃 \*\*eof \*\* ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/937 "2009-04-09T16:24:41Z")
> [@](#): > > On a planning note, who should I hide with? I’m still not certain if it does anything, so it might not matter one way or another. Since it seems it doesn’t matter what happens to the people you hide with, I would think BillMC would be the obvious choice. If you are afraid Ed may have to then use his power on you too, then I can see picking someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/938 "2009-04-09T18:58:54Z")
Ah, well, I knew this was a possibility when I went the honest route. Alas, alack, the end of the cabal, 'tis nigh! That’s okay, though. Mark my words, we shall rise again, stronger and more ruthless than ever before! When Simpletown is done being ravaged by the last of the wolves and assassins still lurking among you, and another year has passed, cabal will shine its fulsome darkness unto the light! Someone _ **will** _ pay for this outrage, and it’s gonna be **you**! :mad: Also, I’m _totally_ gonna haunt yer asses. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/939 "2009-04-09T20:28:09Z")
[RIGHT]So, who is it this time? Not another Mason I hope.[/RIGHT] We want to kill **Ichini Sanshigo**. She flat out told us she’s a Cabalist! [RIGHT]Interesting choice. Didn’t she flat out tell you she’s a Cabalist?[/RIGHT] Yeah! So we need to kill her. [RIGHT]Oh. Right, right.[/RIGHT] “But, I’m telling you the truth! I’m trying to be helpful.” exclaims Inchini Sanshigo. [RIGHT]Welcome to our little cabal of mafia players. We have certain… tendencies. The Town maintains the long standing tradition of killing people for telling the truth and listening to the liars. God forbid letting someone truthful live. You’ll get used to it. **Ichini Sanshigo, a Cabalist, is dead.** [/RIGHT] ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/940 "2009-04-09T20:29:46Z")
9 players are alive: [del]Nanook of the North Shore[/del] **Town Mason** Hero From Sector 7G [del]Pleonast[/del] **Werewolf** [del]Seeker of Truth and Beauty Ichini Sanshigo[/del] **Cabalist** pedescribe Sitnam [del]rexnervous Mr. Svinlesha[/del] **Cabalist** peekercpa special ed [del]Natlaw[/del] **Werewolf** [del][Undecided] Adrian[/del] **Town Mason** [del]willthekittensurvive?[/del] **Cabalist** [del]straggler[/del] **Cabalist** [del]Oredigger77[/del] **Town Mason** BillMC MentalGuy **Town Mason** Almost Human [del]paulwhoisaghost[/del] **Werewolf** ok11 [del]Batman Jenkems[/del] **Werewolf** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=48)