# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/121 "2009-03-13T16:59:22Z")
SONOFA! Being mayor of Simpletown is a bag gig. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/122 "2009-03-13T17:01:13Z")
Confirming my Role! ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/123 "2009-03-13T17:02:12Z")
Confirming my role! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/124 "2009-03-13T17:09:16Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > Confirming my role > [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > Confirming my Role! > [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > Confirming my role! Uh, which roles exactly are you confirming? šŸ˜‰ Iā€™ll confirm my PM. šŸ˜ƒ Well, there doesnā€™t seem to be any gimmicks to start off the discussion, so Iā€™ll start off with a vote. **vote Oredigger77** for confirming first, on the principle that Scum are eager to start play, vanilla Townies are indifferent, and power roles are cautious. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/125 "2009-03-13T17:12:57Z")
Confirming my role. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/126 "2009-03-13T17:14:28Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > SONOFA! > > Being mayor of Simpletown is a bag gig. I hear dead people! ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/127 "2009-03-13T17:14:57Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **vote Oredigger77** > for confirming first, on the principle that Scum are eager to start play, vanilla Townies are indifferent, and power roles are cautious. Naw it couldnā€™t be that I was checking to see who died in my other game? But itā€™s a good enough reason for me, unfortunately its night so your vote doesnā€™t count. Some one pass the booze Iā€™m drinking in both games at once. ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/128 "2009-03-13T17:15:01Z")
Confirming my role - um I mean pm - oh crap! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/129 "2009-03-13T17:17:46Z")
> [@Almost\_Human](#): > > Confirming my role - um I mean pm - oh crap! šŸ˜ƒ Iā€™ve got my eye on you! ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/130 "2009-03-13T17:17:49Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Dawn: Day One > [@Oredigger77](#): > > Naw it couldnā€™t be that I was checking to see who died in my other game? > > But itā€™s a good enough reason for me, unfortunately its night so your vote doesnā€™t count. Some one pass the booze Iā€™m drinking in both games at once. Nope - it counts. Feel honoured to be the first vote of the game. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/131 "2009-03-13T17:23:16Z")
anyone got a idea what roles we are playing with? ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/132 "2009-03-13T17:26:47Z")
so if nobody else votes now, that means Oredgger77 gets it and if oredigger77 retaliates by voting for pleonast they tie(which is bad) and one them gets lynched? ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/133 "2009-03-13T17:33:27Z")
Oh and should we vote a new mayor? one with tie breaking powers? ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/134 "2009-03-13T17:35:56Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > anyone got a idea what roles we are playing with? No clue. Would one of the experienced players care to chime in with some speculation as to what is going on. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/135 "2009-03-13T17:49:35Z")
> [@willthekittensurvive](#): > > anyone got a idea what roles we are playing with? Iā€™ll have a poppy-seed roll, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/136 "2009-03-13T17:51:00Z")
I didnā€™t follow the original Simpletown, so I donā€™t know what was used there. Hereā€™s my guesses for a generic Mafia game. With 20 players, Iā€™d expect about 5 Scum, with one of them investigating as Town. We probably have one investigator (who can accurately determine the alignment of one player each Night) and a protector (who can prevent someone from being Night-killed). These roles sometimes are split among a couple players, through either a backup mechanism or reduced effectiveness. We may also have a Vigilante (a pro-Town Night-killer) and a Miller (a pro-Town player who investigates as Scum). A Miller player should claim so early, because claiming after youā€™re under pressure or an investigation is not believable. Oh, we should also have a few Masons, Townies who know that each other are Townies. They can confirm each other, although we shouldnā€™t accept their claims until one of them is confirmed via death. (Thatā€™s because of some design theory that allows for an exclusive Mason win. Blame **Ro0sh**.) So overall, Iā€™ll guess about 4 power roles, plus 3 Masons, leaving about 8 vanilla Townies. With 5 Scum, we get 7 mislynches, which seems like a lot, but weā€™ll burn through them faster than you think. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/137 "2009-03-13T17:54:57Z")
Confirming. As to role speculation, hope for the best and play assuming the worst. This game has been labeled ā€œnot so simpleā€ so Iā€™m assuming there will be some twists. Personally Iā€™m wary of role speculation. Kitten\> Do you think it is a good idea to give an unconfirmed player the power to break ties? Would you like to be the new mayor? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/138 "2009-03-13T17:59:23Z")
Damn, I missed that whole dawn thing. I guess I shouldnā€™t have started drinking. So weā€™ve got an extra long Day, I guess since Days end on Thursday. I think 5 scum is reasonable but Iā€™m missing the 7 mislynches. With 15 town and 5 scum it only takes 5 mislynches along with night kills for town and scum to be equal, where do the extra 2 come from? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/139 "2009-03-13T18:03:06Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > So weā€™ve got an extra long Day, I guess since Days end on Thursday. I think 5 scum is reasonable but Iā€™m missing the 7 mislynches. With 15 town and 5 scum it only takes 5 mislynches along with night kills for town and scum to be equal, where do the extra 2 come from? Doh! Thatā€™d be coming from arithmetic mistake. (20-5)/2 = 7. šŸ˜› You are of course correct with 5 mislynches. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/140 "2009-03-13T18:04:24Z")
> [@ok11](#): > > Iā€™m (unsuccessfully) trying to figure out the Werewolf Testerizer from your game, **pedescribe**. You are truly an evil genius. Weirdā€¦thatā€™s exactly what SoT&B said. Oh, and confirmating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=8)