# Mafia: Not-so-simple-Simpletown **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 6, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592 "2009-03-06T22:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/141 "2009-03-13T18:05:41Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Weird…that’s exactly what SoT&B said. > > Oh, and confirmating. Then it MUST be true, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/142 "2009-03-13T18:06:16Z")
Confirming my role. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/143 "2009-03-13T18:07:15Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I didn’t follow the original Simpletown, so I don’t know what was used there. If I recall correctly, there were 4 Assassains, one detective, one doctor, two masons, and the rest were vanilla. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/144 "2009-03-13T18:08:16Z")
> [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](#): > > Then it MUST be true, right? 😉 I hope so, that’s what I was shooting for. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/145 "2009-03-13T18:11:17Z")
Well, I won’t be confirming my role, but I will say that I have received my PM. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/146 "2009-03-13T18:16:11Z")
I played in the last Simpleton, **sachertorte** didn’t give us much to work with in the beginning, and there turned out to be a lot of different roles. We ended up lynching one of our own and losing a rookie doctor on the first night. The next day we lynched an Assassin only from the luck of sachertorte’s coin toss and I was killed that night. Town won, but had that coin toss gone the other way town would have been in deep merde. This is why I think the new lynching rules are in place. I have a feeling the reason sachertorte was so insistant on so many players is that there are lots of new roles. For the love of god, if there is a Doctor out there (and I think there is) please protect yourself the first night. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/147 "2009-03-13T18:20:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > Well, I won’t be confirming my role, but I will say that I have received my PM. aHA!! I THOUGHT SO! ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/148 "2009-03-13T18:21:01Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > If I recall correctly, there were 4 Assassains, one detective, one doctor, two masons, and the rest were vanilla. That sounds about right, the first scum killed was a ‘lead assassin’, I’m still not sure how that role was different from the other scum. ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/149 "2009-03-13T18:30:09Z")
Got my PM as well. > [@Pleonast](#): > > They can confirm each other, although we shouldn’t accept their claims until one of them is confirmed via death. (That’s because of some design theory that allows for an exclusive Mason win. Blame **Ro0sh**.) I’m familiar with the other roles from the handful of offline games I’ve played, and I know what masons are, but I’ve no idea how that would work. Could you elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/150 "2009-03-13T18:35:25Z")
I think it would help get things moving if everyone shared how much experience they have with Mafia. Me: 1 game, 2 days ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/151 "2009-03-13T18:37:39Z")
This is my first game. ---
**Author:** ![Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f14d63/32.png) [@Seeker\_of\_Truth\_and\_Beauty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/152 "2009-03-13T18:38:04Z")
My experience: 1 game, 3 days. Barely starting another (in Day one) and now this one. Hi, I’m **Seeker** and I’m a Mafia addict. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/153 "2009-03-13T18:39:09Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > I think it would help get things moving if everyone shared how much experience they have with Mafia. > > Me: 1 game, 2 days first online game for me, I have played the off line game ---
**Author:** ![\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/eada6e/32.png) [@\_Undecided\_Adrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Undecided_Adrian)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/154 "2009-03-13T18:39:59Z")
I’ve just played in The Split (4 days), which was my first online game. Took part in a couple of meatspace ones as well. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/155 "2009-03-13T18:51:22Z")
> [@'\[Undecided](#): > > Adrian;10934239’]Got my PM as well. > > I’m familiar with the other roles from the handful of offline games I’ve played, and I know what masons are, but I’ve no idea how that would work. Could you elaborate? Basically, the masons would win with the town, but they could also win exclusively if they outnumbered the town after all the non-towns were dead. Exp: I’ve played 6, and am in the middle of 1. I’ve modded 2, and am in the middle of modding 2. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/156 "2009-03-13T18:51:23Z")
Played a ton. This one has a fond memory for me. Simpletown was my first game and gosh did I stink. Frankly, I haven’t gotten much better over the course of the rest of the games that I have played in. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/157 "2009-03-13T18:55:42Z")
While Masons can “confirm” each other, we need to confirm them as a group, that they’re actually on the Town’s side. It’s possible the Masons have different victory conditions, especially one that leads to only the Masons winning, not any Town (that’s what I mean by an exclusive win condition). We confirm the group of Masons by killing one. Typically, the Scum will do us that favor, but we may be forced to do it our self near end game if no Masons have died by that point. A dead player’s true alignment is revealed upon death. If a Mason is labeled “pro-Town Mason” (or some equivalent) by the moderator, then we can trust all of them. If a dead Mason does not have the “pro-Town” label then we’ll have to lynch them all, since our victory condition is “all anti-Town elements are dead”. (If the moderator is a gastard and gives us false or misleading alignment information, we were screwed from the beginning, unless there is some other mechanism for us to determine actual alignments.) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I’m an [experienced](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Pleonast) player. I’ve played 12 games, but won only 7, so don’t pin your hopes on me. I’ve moderated 3. ---
**Author:** ![Natlaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a88e57/32.png) [@Natlaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Natlaw)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/158 "2009-03-13T19:00:42Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Day begins now. > Day One will end on Thursday, 19 March 2009 at 4:00PM EDT. I woke up Today and also got a message and looks like we got a long Day ahead of us. With scum not able to talk during the Day, we got a good start :). > [@pedescribe](#): > > If I recall correctly, there were 4 Assassins, one detective, one doctor, two masons, and the rest were vanilla. I see there where also 16 players then, so that probably means one more assassin as well, like **Pleonast** said. The guide rule is 1/4 players scum (I’ve also seen square root which is 4.47 for 20). Did scum have any special powers in that game? Past results are no guarantee for the future of course, especially since things are not so simple nowadays. As for my experience: -_Evil Dead_, scum killed Night Eight, won as vanilla Town. -_Super! Smash! Bros! Mafia!_, died Day Five (my SCUM lover got lynched), game not yet finished (go town Smashers!). ---
**Author:** ![ok11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8baadc/32.png) [@ok11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ok11)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/159 "2009-03-13T19:13:10Z")
PM received. This is my second game, so I’m still relatively new. ---
**Author:** ![Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@Hero\_From\_Sector\_7G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hero_From_Sector_7G)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592/160 "2009-03-13T19:25:32Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I’m an [experienced](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Pleonast) player. I’ve played 12 games, but won only 7, so don’t pin your hopes on me. I’ve moderated 3. In other words, you know how to calculate the number of mislynches. > [@Pleonast](#): > > Doh! That’d be coming from arithmetic mistake. (20-5)/2 = 7. 😛 You are of course correct with 5 mislynches. That isn’t an arithmetic mistake, it is the wrong formula. > [@Pleonast](#): > > So overall, I’ll guess about 4 power roles, plus 3 Masons, leaving about 8 vanilla Townies. With 5 Scum, we get 7 mislynches, which seems like a lot, but we’ll burn through them faster than you think. I don’t think you were giving an honest assessment here. You fudged a number somewhere and forgot to fudge it consistantly. **Vote Pleonast** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-not-so-simple-simpletown/488592.md?page=9)