# Mafia Reunion - Day 10 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [March 14, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191 "2017-03-14T20:51:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Captain\_Klutz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captain_klutz/32/4993_2.png) [@Captain\_Klutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Klutz)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/41 "2017-03-15T07:18:59Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Masons, I’d like to hear both of your thoughtses here more than anyone. Here are the unconfirmed players: Biotop hawkeyeop Johnny Bravo Nanook of the North Shore Plumpudding Raventhief Scathach Texcat Zeriel 5 of those 9 are scum. I think people should check out any or all of them, according to their own preferences. Limiting to those who claimed vanilla is reasonable, as that is a smaller pool which definitely contains scum. Oh, and I still think the Patsy should claim. The revenge kill if lynched is not worth it, as it still results in a definite town death. Sure, the revenge kill does reduce the unknown pool a bit quicker, but so does simply claiming. You are more useful as a confirmed town, and it also means there is one fewer player to investigate. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/42 "2017-03-15T11:56:26Z")
This should have been in the opening color but I forgot. MHaye can not be Day Killed toDay. He is still lynch able though. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/43 "2017-03-15T12:08:42Z")
Okay… Sinjin’s power lets him protect somebody for a full day/night cycle, but [he said he already used it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20051790&postcount=51) We also never got a notification. So, either sinjin lied about not using his power, or there’s another cultist out there with a weaker version which only lasts for the Day and broadcasts its use. While I’m waiting on sinjin’s response, I’m going to **vote Koldanar** If there’s another cultist out there, it’s time to take out Koldanar. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/44 "2017-03-15T12:23:56Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Okay… > > Sinjin’s power lets him protect somebody for a full day/night cycle, but [he said he already used it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20051790&postcount=51) We also never got a notification. > > So, either sinjin lied about not using his power, or there’s another cultist out there with a weaker version which only lasts for the Day and broadcasts its use. > > While I’m waiting on sinjin’s response, I’m going to > > **vote Koldanar** > > If there’s another cultist out there, it’s time to take out Koldanar. So, again, what motivates this vote? Do you think I’m scum? Or is this still over your imagined tell that my power section was to ‘fluffy’? A vote for me is an anti-town action, at this point. You’ve been harping about how we have our scum hiding in the VT pool we have at this point - we only have one unclaimed town power role out there at this point. You have 9 (I think? let me re-check that - yep, 9) people either claiming VT, or not saying anything. And yet you jump over and vote for me. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/45 "2017-03-15T12:33:46Z")
There are no town powers which can protect a player in the manner that NAF just posted. So there are only three possibilities here. 1. Sinjin lied about using his power. 2. There is another cultist, yet unrevealed, who used a power. 3. There is a 3rd party, yet unknown, who decided to take a pro-town action. If it’s #1, then that settles everything nicely and I’ll remove the vote (though we will have to hear from sinjin why he lied). If it’s not #1, then it’s either #2 or #3. The latter cannot be proven or disproven, so we have to look at the former. If there’s an unrevealed cultist still in the game, then **either you or sinjin are scum**. You are the claimed cultist whose power doesn’t match up. You are the claimed cultist who has drawn suspicion even from your fellow cultists. So yeah, my vote is on you for now. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/46 "2017-03-15T12:51:07Z")
Just keeping this on the front page of the Day. **Player list** **The Living** (16): 3. Biotop 7. Captain Klutz - Mason 13. [del]DaphneBlack[/del]Lakai 2 - Mason 19. hawkeyeop 25. Johnny Bravo 28. Koldanar - “The Pontiff of the Cult of Lutha” 32. MHaye - Watcher 33. Nanook of the North Shore 37. Plumpudding 40. Raventhief 44. Scathach 46. sinjin - “The Cardinal of the Cult of Lutha” 47. snfaulkner - Tinkerer 50. Texcat 55. Zeriel **The Deceased** (39): 12. Dante G – ModKilled D1 –Vanilla Town 29. Lakai 1 – Lynched D1 - Vanilla Town 35. Normal Phase – Daykilled D1 - Investigative Journalist 45. septimus – Daykilled D1 - EMT - [Killed by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (MHaye)] 48. Suburban Plankton – Nightkiled N1 (1) Homicide Detective 9. Colby11 – Nightkilled N1 – Vanilla Town 5. brewha – Lynched D2 – Vanilla Town 8. Chronos – Daykilled D2 - Mason 15. Drain Bead - Nightkilled N2 - Leprechaun 41. Red Skeezix - Modkilled D3 - Vanilla Town 43. Sario – poofed D3 - Wizard 23. Idle Thoughts - Lynched D3 - Vanilla Town 26. jsgoddess - Daykilled D3 - Beta Wolf 51. Thing Fish - Daykilled D3 - Omega Wolf 1. AngeloftheNorth - Nightkilled N3 - Vanilla Town 2. Toejam - Nightkilled N3 - Doctor Seward - [Killed by Mafia Hitman Hal Briston (MHaye)] 3. DiggitCamara - Lynched D4 - Vanilla Town 4. Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Lynched D4 - Outrider 5. Pleonast - Daykilled D4 - Seer 6. BillMc - Nightkilled N4 - Whelp 7. Sunny Daze - Nightkilled N4 - Informant 8. Hockey Monkey - Nightkilled N4 - Consigliere - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 9. Prof. Pepperwinkle - Lynched D5 - Vanilla Town 10. Sachertorte - Daykilled D5 - First Deacon 11. [del]Winston Smith[/del]Paulwhoisaghost - Nightkilled N5 - Vanilla Town - [Killed by Wolves (MHaye)] 12. Meeko - Modkilled D6 - Vanilla Town 13. Inner Stickler - Lynched D6 - Vanilla Town 14. Hoopy Frood - Daykilled D6 - alternative universe Batman 15. EnderW24 - Nightkilled N6 - Understudy (Investigative Journalist) 16. Hal Briston - Nightkilled N6 - Hitman 17. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Lynched D7 - GladOS - a serial Killer 18. crys75 - Daykilled D7 - Second Deacon 19. HookerChemical - Nightkilled N7 - Vanilla Town 20. Total Lost - Modkilled D8 - Vanilla Town 21. [del]Precambrian mollusk[/del]Cygnus 42 - Lynched D8 - Vanilla Townie 22. Khameleon - Daykilled D8 - Mason 23. Guiri - Nightkilled N8 - Godfather 24. bufftabby - Lynched D9 - Bloodhound 25. nesta - Daykilled D9 - LUTHA high priest 26. LightFoot - Nightkilled D9 - Zoning Inspector **Alive:** Town (4/5 confirmable, 3 vanilla): Lakai - Mason Captain Klutz - Mason The Watcher - Day and Night cycle watcher - MHaye The Basement-Based Tinkerer - snfaulkner The Patsy - Miller, if lynched can choose a kill A Townsperson x3 Cult (2): Pontiff - Every-other cycle redirector - Koldanar Cardinal - Single use protector - sinjin Mafia (3): The Bodyguard - Night protect, but dies instead The Mook - One time use power of dead teammate The Enforcer - Roleblocker for following Day and Night Wolves (2): The Alpha Wolf - First kill targeting them will fail The Trickster - Roleblocker for current Day and following Night ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/47 "2017-03-15T13:52:39Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > This should have been in the opening color but I forgot. > > MHaye can not be Day Killed toDay. He is still lynch able though. > > That is all. Now i am thoroughly confused. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/48 "2017-03-15T14:01:41Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Now i am thoroughly confused. On Giraffe Boards we have a confetti smilie that I would normally use right now. Imagine that I am. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/49 "2017-03-15T14:38:26Z")
The even weirder thing is that the \*\*MHaye \*\* protection is announced. There has been no other such announcement in the game for 10 days. Not only is this power unknown… it is an unknown power that has been hiding for a long time. If it is \*\*Sinjin \*\* who lied about using his power, I still don’t see why the protection would be announced. Curious. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/50 "2017-03-15T14:40:02Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > This should have been in the opening color but I forgot. > > MHaye can not be Day Killed toDay. He is still lynch able though. > > That is all. **Naf, can you verify that post #42 was worded exactly the way you wanted to word it in regards to how long MHaye is protected?** ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/51 "2017-03-15T14:43:57Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > If it is \*\*Sinjin \*\* who lied about using his power, I still don’t see why the protection would be announced. Curious. I think the rules said that there would be things that were hidden from players. It’s possible that whoever used that power did not know it would be announced. It might’ve been a failsafe for revealing the cult. We’ll have a better direction to speculate towards once sinjin checks in and tells us whether or not he was lying before. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/52 "2017-03-15T15:20:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Okay… > > Sinjin’s power lets him protect somebody for a full day/night cycle, but [he said he already used it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20051790&postcount=51) We also never got a notification. > > So, either sinjin lied about not using his power, or there’s another cultist out there with a weaker version which only lasts for the Day and broadcasts its use. > > While I’m waiting on sinjin’s response, I’m going to > > **vote Koldanar** > > If there’s another cultist out there, it’s time to take out Koldanar. Of course I lied about using the protect power, so I could use it before I got killed. I attempted to use it a couple of times before but was always late, stupid time zone changes and lotso travel. I can copy those mod messages if you want. > [@](#): > > [QUOTE=NAF1138] > > [QUOTE=sinjin] > So did you guys get my message? Was Mhaye protected? Will there be an announcement of said protection? We got the message, he was protected. There should be a message saying he can’t be Day killed toDay. Thanks! [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] I am assuming there will be another message saying he can’t be night killed toNight. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/53 "2017-03-15T15:25:15Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Of course I lied about using the protect power, so I could use it before I got killed. That’s what I figured, but I didn’t want to lead the witness, so to speak. I believe you. **unvote koldanar** My overall suspicions of Koldanar’s claim specifically and the cult broadly remain, but I’m happy tending to the unconfirmed pool for the time being. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/54 "2017-03-15T15:26:17Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Now i am thoroughly confused. You’re not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/55 "2017-03-15T15:29:05Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > So did you guys get my message? Was Mhaye protected? Will there be an announcement of said protection? Out of curiosity, why did you ask whether there would be an announcement? That’s not a normal expectation for protective powers and your claim doesn’t say anything about that. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/56 "2017-03-15T15:29:06Z")
ETA: - Now I’ve read all the way to the end, I’m less confused. PS, to clear up a point of confusion, sinjin is a lady-type person. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/57 "2017-03-15T15:30:14Z")
Or did you edit it out of your post as part of your gambit? If so, can you show us your full role PM? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/58 "2017-03-15T15:40:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > **Naf, can you verify that post #42 was worded exactly the way you wanted to word it in regards to how long MHaye is protected?** I’m gonna say I think what I said was pretty unambiguous, but your question was not. Be specific about what you want to know please. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/59 "2017-03-15T15:42:21Z")
It seems mostly moot now, but did you mean to only say he’s protected toDay, or did you mean to say he’s protected for the entire cycle per sinjin’s claim? ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191/60 "2017-03-15T15:55:40Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > For having PIS about the Lutha and claiming it came from **Koldanar**. I knew nothing about the other Lutha how did **hawkeyeop**? I’m confused as to what you think I knew. The first two Luthas who claimed had numbers (first/second deacon) associated with their claim. Koldanar didn’t. So Koldanar either successfully guessed/knew the rest of the Lutha did not have a number associated with them (and weren’t deacons and had different powers…) or he was a legitimate Lutha. I found the former unlikely, so I believed Lutha’s claim once further Lutha revealed themselves and were also different then the original pair. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-10/782191.md?page=4)