# Mafia Reunion Day 13

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**Created:** [March 30, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-13/783324 "2017-03-30T01:38:14Z")\
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**Post date:** [April 1, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-13/783324/68 "2017-04-01T11:17:19Z")

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> [@Biotop](#):
>
> (lots of snippage)  
> 8. He says that if I am Scum I knew who the Patsy was on Day nine. Not Guilty. Please tell me how. TexCat somehow knew too. That means we would both not want the Patsy to claim. Or something. I do not understand this but it is 3:30 in the morning so maybe I am just punchy.
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> 1. I changed my mind finally on the Patsy reveal. Guilty. Why not? Wolves were all dead. All Scum now really did now know who was whom on Day 11. I revealed vanilla Town as well at this point.
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> But I will say this: if \*\*Johnny Bravo \*\* the claimed vanilla who pushed to lynch the real Patsy yesterDay actually manages to convince everyone to vote for me, the claimed vanilla who pushed killing the false Patsy yesterDay— then Mafia deserve to win.

Johnny’s reply:

> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#):
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> Yay! I’ll take your post by the numbers.  
> (lots of snippage)
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> 1. This is straightforward reasoning based on the claimant/nonclaimant pools, though I’m currently doing it from memory. Somebody can go back to my original post if they’d like to double check.
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> When raventhief claimed, the only players remaining in the unconfirmed pool were [Biotop/Scathach/Texcat/Hawkeyeop]. This means that, if you are scum, the identity of the patsy (provided the patsy didn’t false claim) was confirmed to them as soon as the raventhief claim happened.
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> 1. But that’s [not why you said you changed your mind.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20084052&postcount=13) If that was your reason, why not say so at the time?

Point 8: Actually, while **Nanook** had claimed vanilla, **Zeriel** had not. So if Biotop is mafia, then mafia knew who the Patsy was only after Zeriel’s lynch on Day 10. Alternatively, if Johnny is mafia then mafia knew who the Patsy was after Biotop’s claim at the start of Day 11.

It was about 2 days into Day 11 that Hawkeyop finally claimed. Certainly that is time to cook something up, but the timing of Hawkeyop’s claim could not be predicted. It looks like mafia were waiting for that claim, as they had ample time to claim first if desired.  
Point 9: **Biotop** , at the start of Day 11, this was your reason for the Patsy to claim:

> [@Mafia Reunion: Day Eleven](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-eleven/782716/13):
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> At this point I am sick and tired of talking about the Patsy. I advocate a claim so we do not have to keep going on about it. Under no circumstances should you, Patsy, let yourself be mislynched.

Being sick and tired of talking about it is a really terrible reason for someone to claim. To go from being opposed to the claim to supporting it, on the Day that the Patsy saga happened, is not a good look.

It’s time to

**Vote Biotop**

(if **Biotop** flips town then toMorrow **Johnny Bravo** will be speedlynched)

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