# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/201 "2017-02-02T01:30:37Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Yeah, you’ve been saying it too. I gave her credit since she did the WOW on him last Night. I did a WoW on him D3. She asked me for it last Night because she didn’t remember it then either… Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/202 "2017-02-02T01:34:54Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Prof, have you ever (and if so, how many games and what were your role and cause of death) played in a game… > …this large? > …with switches? > …with a 3rd party faction? > …with two scum teams? > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk No game nearly this large. One game with switches (Heroes for Hire 2 - I didn’t control the switches; I was Town and, if I remember correctly, was NK’d). One or two games with 3rd Parties (Town, NK’d). No game with two scum teams. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/203 "2017-02-02T01:35:13Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I did a WoW on him D3. She asked me for it last Night because she didn’t remember it then either… > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Well maybe I’m just totally confused now. Crap. Time to open up that thread yet again, again. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/204 "2017-02-02T02:09:46Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > No game nearly this large. One game with switches (Heroes for Hire 2 - I didn’t control the switches; I was Town and, if I remember correctly, was NK’d). One or two games with 3rd Parties (Town, NK’d). No game with two scum teams. No, you were in hotel of heros 3, right? The sock game, as some veggiheaded guy. That had two scum teams. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/205 "2017-02-02T02:17:15Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > For shits n giggles, do you mind sharing your switch PM? Sorry, my wife came home from work and dinner, dog walks and two episodes of \*True Detective \*later… ××××× Knock knock knock There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. You open up your package. Inside is a box with a label. The label says Doctor Seward Switch. What does it do? The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. Have fun with your gift! ××××× ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/206 "2017-02-02T02:19:11Z")
**DAY 3 VOTE COUNT** As a quick reminder - there are no powers, hidden or open, that can affect the vote count. If you see an apparent discrepancy, it’s the result of moderator error. **Boozahol Squid (4))** - Capt Klutz (45), EnderW24 (102), Biotop(180), snfaulkner(192) **Khameleon (3))** - Johnny Bravo (26), Hoopy Frood (52), Profp(154) **Prof. Pepperwinkle (3))** - Pleonast (121), Nanook(152), bufftabby(197) **DiggitCamara (2)** - Paulwhoisaghost (20), Totallost(172) **Hooker Chemical (1))** - Lakai (46) * * * \*\*No second lynch reached yet. The Day will end on Sunday at 3:00 Eastern. [Here is a countdown to that time.](https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/election?iso=20170205T15&p0=77&font=cursive)\*\* ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/207 "2017-02-02T02:33:50Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Who exactly do you think IS responsible for the extra kill yesterday? A SK that is completely unrelated to LUTHA. Do you think the only third party at play are LUTHA? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/208 "2017-02-02T02:34:39Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > No, you were in hotel of heros 3, right? The sock game, as some veggiheaded guy. That had two scum teams. I don’t remember two teams, but I’ll take your word for it. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/209 "2017-02-02T02:36:08Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Well maybe I’m just totally confused now. Crap. Time to open up that thread yet again, again. In the end, it doesn’t really matter. I just thought it was odd because you tend to comment on my posts, but you missed it… and Ullz missing it also really weirded me out. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/210 "2017-02-02T02:42:31Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I don’t remember two teams, but I’ll take your word for it. There was the Loneliness and the Alone Thoughts scumfactions. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/211 "2017-02-02T03:08:32Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > There was the Loneliness and the Alone Thoughts scumfactions. I’m off to the dungeon. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/212 "2017-02-02T03:36:05Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > No, you were in hotel of heros 3, right? The sock game, as some veggiheaded guy. That had two scum teams. @Prof, come on man… not only were you in that game, but you were town and made it to end game. And it’s the 2nd most recent game on GB. How can you not remember there were two scum teams as town that had to take down both teams and you made it to end game? I find it really hard to believe that you are having such a hard time as a townie in this game when you made it to end game in that one. I find it even harder to believe that you don’t remember a major part of that game. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/213 "2017-02-02T03:40:10Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > @Prof, come on man… not only were you in that game, but you were town and made it to end game. And it’s the 2nd most recent game on GB. How can you not remember there were two scum teams as town that had to take down both teams and you made it to end game? I find it really hard to believe that you are having such a hard time as a townie in this game when you made it to end game in that one. I find it even harder to believe that you don’t remember a major part of that game. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk To be fair, that was back near Halloween. I barely even remember what I did for New Year’s Eve. I did also have to go back to the Dungeon to dig up the faction names. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/214 "2017-02-02T04:06:31Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > @Prof, come on man… not only were you in that game, but you were town and made it to end game. And it’s the 2nd most recent game on GB. How can you not remember there were two scum teams as town that had to take down both teams and you made it to end game? I find it really hard to believe that you are having such a hard time as a townie in this game when you made it to end game in that one. I find it even harder to believe that you don’t remember a major part of that game. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk They all kind of blur together. I usually just concentrate on the one at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/215 "2017-02-02T04:17:33Z")
Hey peeps. Been out of internet for a while. > [@Lakai](#): > > Vote HookerChemical for the reasons mentioned above. I added our fallen Angel’s posts to show she supported the idea and because she can no longer post to support it toDay. Could you go into those reasons above? The only one I could see was Hooker voted Pleo twice. If that’s it, meh. > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > [snip]So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? I unvoted him, expecting a modkill. Then it was pointed out to me that his posting a screenshot of his pm might not lead to a modkill, so I voted him again. Did you read the exchanges? Didn’t matter one iota wether he was town or not at that point, he deliberately went out of his way to break the game. On double lynch: Still for it, I hope we can do it, but I suspect we won’t. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/216 "2017-02-02T04:42:44Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > They all kind of blur together. I usually just concentrate on the one at hand. See the problem I have is that I was under the assumption that you were having trouble on new ground… but this isn’t new ground for you… maybe in terms of size, but not it terms of complexity. So I thought I’d ask and your response seemed to justify my assumption, but leaving off the one game that shared similarities? If they all blend together, you had an easy enough time with listing the other relevant games. You left off the one that makes you look bad, which makes you look even worse. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/217 "2017-02-02T04:49:05Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > If both get 14, won’t they both be lynched? Probably not. The mods have said ties are bad. They’ve given us no reason to believe that even with multiple lynches this fact has changed. In fact, NAF’s first vote count post essentially confirms that multiple lynches do not mitigate the problem with a tie. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I just posted an alternative theory. > > The wolves think Prof P is mafia. > Angel defended Prof P, making her likely Mafia. > Wolves kill Angel as revenge for the double wolf daykills. They don’t target Prof P because he had a solid vote tally yesterDay, and could be a good candidate for them to push for Lynch. > Angel flips town, that doesn’t mean Prof P is town. > Prof P goes back on the chopping block and or kill list. That brings up an interesting situation. In an earlier post, I pointed out that each wolf that dies now as long as the Mafia have more numbers than them is a sort of mislynch in the short term from a numbers standpoint. It brings the mafia closer to their goal of winning. Granted, it also brings us closer to our goal of winning since we have to get rid of the wolves to win. But it’s better for us if the Mafia kill the wolves at this point rather than us, and better if we lynch Mafia instead of wolves. However, eliminating the wolves completely gives us a huge bonus in reduced anti-town kills. And, if we keep pressure on the wolves by voting them, they have no choice but to kill mafia if they want to stand a chance to win. So **lakai** ’s mention of looking for wolves specifically isn’t necessarily a bad strategy. It will force wolves to start shooting for mafia rather than town, otherwise they risk falling so far behind Mafia the chance of them winning the game becomes slim. Mafia are up by two right now. They have no reason to concentrate on the wolves. And the wolves have 5 players they know aren’t mafia, which is five more than Town knows. So by keeping the pressure on the wolves, we increase our chances of taking out mafia through them. Granted, lynching mafia directly is probably a better outcome. But the point is keeping pressure on the wolves while worse in the short term has a naturally balancing effect in both increased chance of finding mafia with wolf help and decreased chance in town deaths. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/218 "2017-02-02T04:54:11Z")
Just starting to read today\*. I am chagrined by \*\*Toejam’s \*\*reveal. I really felt he was scum. I am feeling the same about \*\*Thingfish’s \*\*reveal. I thought he came across as town. Will post as I read. \*Tuesday was cardiologist with mrsin and today was again a Disney day with the grandkid (annual passes for the win) ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/219 "2017-02-02T04:54:56Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > See the problem I have is that I was under the assumption that you were having trouble on new ground… but this isn’t new ground for you… maybe in terms of size,\*\* but not it terms of complexity\*\*. So I thought I’d ask and your response seemed to justify my assumption, but leaving off the one game that shared similarities? If they all blend together, you had an easy enough time with listing the other relevant games. You left off the one that makes you look bad, which makes you look even worse. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk My bold. It is though. It’s all those mechanics, switches, multilynch, two scum teams, plus some others like Day/Night kills with corresponding Day/Night powers (that wasn’t in HoH3) and the game is huge. Still strange he didn’t remember. ---
**Author:** ![BillMC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@BillMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BillMC)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/220 "2017-02-02T04:56:31Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Not in this case. In this case it is anyone whose final vote rested on someone we now know to be Town. Bandwagon may have been the wrong term. Really? you single out 8 people when on day 1 there were 30+ votes for who we found out later were town > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I wondered because so many voters have jumped so quickly on bandwagons (yes, including myself except for D3) all three Days. See Inner Stickler’s Post 151 toDay for confirmation. And you’re actually trying to claim some brownie points for not voting idle yesterday? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=12)