# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/221 "2017-02-02T04:59:26Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > On double lynch: Still for it, I hope we can do it, but I suspect we won’t. I agree. We’ve got what seems like a thousand pages of people arguing back and forth over which Town player to kill. Multiple lynches will reveal more if we can actually hit some Scum. And if we keep missing targets with about 1/3 of the remaining players Scum, we are likely to lose anyway. I was just skimming your case on \*\*TexCat \*\*from Day 3. FWIW I think it has some merit. Other than wrongly catching the \*\*Colby \*\*slip on Day 1, I don’t see much Scum hunting from **TexCat**. Her vote on \*\*crys75 \*\*on Day 2 is part of a lynch-the-Lutha campaign I find unhelpful at this time. I usually think of \*\*TexCat \*\*as more engaged than she has been in this game. OTOH, I have had trouble keeping up, so I cannot really fault others in this respect. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/222 "2017-02-02T05:09:05Z")
Happy Bday to ME! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! (Yes, I’m on the West Coast, but i was born in the Eastern Time Zone) ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/223 "2017-02-02T05:14:08Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > To be fair, that was back near Halloween. I barely even remember what I did for New Year’s Eve. I did also have to go back to the Dungeon to dig up the faction names. My problem is that he recalled specific details of older games but not a recent one where he made it to end game? And this isn’t the same as not remembering the names of the factions. Its forgetting there were two factions. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/224 "2017-02-02T05:15:24Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Happy Bday to ME! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! (Yes, I’m on the West Coast, but i was born in the Eastern Time Zone) You and the groundhog. Happy birthday! ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/225 "2017-02-02T05:16:16Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > My problem is that he recalled specific details of older games but not a recent one where he made it to end game? And this isn’t the same as not remembering the names of the factions. Its forgetting there were two factions. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Meh, I don’t see it as an issue for anything in _this_ game. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/226 "2017-02-02T05:45:51Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Happy Bday to ME! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! (Yes, I’m on the West Coast, but i was born in the Eastern Time Zone) Happy birthday! Guess who’s having his tomorrow? > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Meh, I don’t see it as an issue for anything in _this_ game. But it _is_ strange, isn’t it? @Biotop: 🆒 I’m still up for lynching her. I did Day 2 and 3 yesterDay, and while nothing really stood out, the\* lack\* of anything really stood out. She amped up her participation a bit, but IMO didn’t actually contribute anything significant. But again, take into account that I felt much of Day 2 was a distraction to scum hunting, TexCat seemed happy to take part in that. If you feel the second half of Day 2 was constructive, I guess you won’t find that argument so compelling. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/227 "2017-02-02T07:18:07Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Happy birthday! Guess who’s having his tomorrow? I assume you are implying that it will be your bday on the 3rd. How many thousands of hours ate you ahead of pacific time? I’LL cheers you at your midnight, and it will still be my bday! > [@](#): > > But it _is_ strange, isn’t it? Is it? It was like a 1/4 to 1/3 of a year ago. I have trouble remembering what I ate for dinner last week, yet I know I ate. And it was yummy. > [@](#): > > @Biotop: 🆒 I’m still up for lynching her. I did Day 2 and 3 yesterDay, and while nothing really stood out, the\* lack\* of anything really stood out. She amped up her participation a bit, but IMO didn’t actually contribute anything significant. But again, take into account that I felt much of Day 2 was a distraction to scum hunting, TexCat seemed happy to take part in that. If you feel the second half of Day 2 was constructive, I guess you won’t find that argument so compelling. I keep forgetting she is in the game until she posts. I might be conviced to look into her tomorrow when I get to work… ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/228 "2017-02-02T08:26:20Z")
Yup, the 3rd. I’m at CEST. I don’t remember what I ate last week either, but I do remember a game I invested several weeks of my time in. And that I feel is a pretty good argument for keeping an eye on her. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/229 "2017-02-02T10:57:05Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > For the moment, at the beginning of the day: > > **vote Khameleon** for the reasons I outlined in D3#1028 and D3#1041. I never got any response from him and I would like one. It’s she, although it doesn’t really matter to me whether you think I’m a she, he or it. I actually figured I would wait until Day to respond to you so it would be in the more current thread. I apologize for how I’ve quoted from the other thread, but I’m not sure the correct way to do it - the following are from the D3 thread - post numbers are included. > [@](#): > > #1028 > Johnny Bravo > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Khameleon > > Seriously? I was right about Thing Fish being scummy and that makes me suspicious? > > First of all, you were not “right” about anything. You made what you admitted at the > time was an OMGUS vote. Let’s look at the interaction again. First of all, I didn’t vote for **Thing Fish** - I FOS-ed him. Plus I had reasons to find him suspicious, and lo and behold, he was Scum. Ummm, that would make me…right? But you’re saying I wasn’t - wow, confusing… **Thing Fish** accused me of posting fluff, discussing game mechanics, and voting for Brewha on D2. I responded to these with reasonable explanations - I haven’t posted much at all, let alone fluff - I think the only fluffy thing I posted was about Star Trek DS9 maybe? The game mechanics were relevant and the discussion of them resulted in clarification. A LOT of people voted for Brewha who was caught in a lie. But I’m pretty sure I already said all this. > [@](#): > > But it’s this line that makes you look suspicious. > > > [@](#): > > > > This vote feels to me like it’s being cast by someone scummy who knows my alignment is > > Town and has knowledge about me, possibly from an investigation or whatnot. > > This makes no sense at all. Scum really couldn’t care less what alignment you are - they > need to kill everyone who isn’t on their team. And there’s nothing in his post that would suggest he somehow knows you’re Town rather than a cultist or a Mafioso. Okay, I will admit I did not word this very well and that I also didn’t go back and check on the roles when I posted it. So yes, I made an assumption that I was investigated by Scum who then knew I was Town and whether or not I have a significant role (which I am not going to say). Thing Fish’s vote and reasons really felt to me like someone looking for a quiet place to put a bogus vote in order to remain under the radar and out of the larger voting pools. It was a feeling I had about his crappy justifications and nothing more than that. > [@](#): > > No, that entire post feels manufactured. It 100% sounds like you’re creating an > opportunity to a) declare that you’re town and b) do so in a conversation with someone > that you know will someDay flip scum. So you are suggesting I’m a Wolf and that I wanted to bus my team mate who had pretty much no chance of being lynched? That makes sense (not). Oh, and I didn’t actually vote for him anyway. > [@](#): > > And then, the cherry on all of this is your response to my comment about pinging: > > Quote: > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Khameleon View Post > > Seriously? I was right about Thing Fish being scummy and that makes me suspicious? > > This is you taking credit for something that you can’t reasonably take credit for. > The only way you were “right about Thing Fish being scummy” in the context of your > exchange is if we agree that you knew it all along. I took an instinctual guess about **Thing Fish** being Scummy and I was right - I don’t understand why you have such a problem with this. I did not know he was Scum, but I suspected it, and my suspicions panned out. > [@](#): > > #1041 > Johnny Bravo > (snippity-snip) > This stuff is pretty minor, but I’m reading with an eye towards Khameleon being a wolf > and seeing what pops out at me. > > D2#66. Makes an “oh no” comment about the town deaths and then is actually the one who floats the idea that Idle might be inactive for meta reasons. He got it backwards, but it still started that conversation. If this was a purposeful scum move (getting it wrong to get the ball rolling), it was crazy clever. Sorry, not that “clever”. I also don’t believe I was the first one to question **Idle’s** inactivity. What does my expressing sadness about Town deaths have to do with thinking **Idle** might be Scum? > [@](#): > > D2#207: When talking about scum, refers to them as “Wolf and Mafia” teams rather than collectively as scum. Prioritizes the wolf team. WHA??? I’m a Wolf because I put the Word Wolf before the word Mafia? Not that this even deserves a justification but I’m an animal person over a people person so would typically put animals first. > [@](#): > > D3#593: Votes Idle for meta reasons even though he doesn’t like meta reasons. Is also the one who brought up said meta reasons. I believe the majority of people voting for Idle voted for meta reasons and many stated they didn’t like doing that. And again, I was not the first one to bring up the meta issues. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/230 "2017-02-02T11:10:15Z")
I didn’t want to add anything more to my previous colossal message so starting a new one. So **Johnny Bravo’s** case on me is basically repeating the same few points several times and not even getting everything right (I didn’t vote for **Thing Fish** and I wasn’t the first to mention **Idle’s** inactivity/meta issues). You accuse me of “manufacturing” a post yet you seem to be doing some manufacturing of your own. I’m getting that same instinctual Scummy vibe from you as I did from **Thing Fish**. **FOS Johnny Bravo** I will also: **FOS Hoopy Frood** For jumping on Johnny’s ideas without adding anything. It seems like it could be a lazy Scum move. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/231 "2017-02-02T11:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=Prof. Pepperwinkle;19968762\*\*Vote Khameleon. \*\* He’s on my list, and others have put up a fairly good case.[/QUOTE] > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Which others? Thing Fish? Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/232 "2017-02-02T11:30:17Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > \*\*\*\*Vote Khameleon. \*\*\*\* > > He’s on my list, and others have put up a fairly good case. Please take a look at my response and think twice about that. ---
**Author:** ![Khameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dec6dc/32.png) [@Khameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/233 "2017-02-02T11:41:13Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > \*\*\* **I am the holder of a now useless Doctor Seward switch. I flipped it on Night one, but not after that.** \*\*\* I’m not sure how I feel about this but I wanted to mention that my first instinct about the switches was that they are held by opposite teams - which would mean the Dr. Seward switches would be held by the two Scum teams. However I was wrong in regards to the Batman switch. Considering that was a Vig switch, and a Vig could potentially be bad for Town, it might be reasonable for Town to hold a Vig switch even if the “standard” is for the opposite teams to hold others. I’m not saying this makes **Biotop** suspicious, but it may be something to consider in the future should other questions arise. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/234 "2017-02-02T11:47:15Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Happy Bday to ME! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! (Yes, I’m on the West Coast, but i was born in the Eastern Time Zone) [Happy Birthday!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWjGPH_tBQ) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/235 "2017-02-02T11:50:37Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > See the problem I have is that I was under the assumption that you were having trouble on new ground… but this isn’t new ground for you… maybe in terms of size, but not it terms of complexity. So I thought I’d ask and your response seemed to justify my assumption, but leaving off the one game that shared similarities? If they all blend together, you had an easy enough time with listing the other relevant games. You left off the one that makes you look bad, which makes you look even worse. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Yeah. I think I’ll take a break for a month of so after this one. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/236 "2017-02-02T12:18:25Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Happy Bday to ME! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! [Sorry, forgot the birthday song!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvWdBWT-Vs8) ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/237 "2017-02-02T12:23:37Z")
Snipping, and bleaching. Also, commenting as I catch up, so I apologize if things have been stated. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > … > Vote DiggitCamara > > I will continue my vote and earlier suspicions until I find or am convinced that we may have a bigger fish on the line or that DiggitCamara is likely town. Right now, I have none of that. I hope to remedy that before the weekend. > > @DiggitCamara, part of my problem with your play so far is that I haven’t seen a lot of scumhunting from you when you compare it to the amount of time you spend addressing 3P. I was equally suspicious of Johnnybravo for his desire to lynch cultists, but he thinks they are lying scum. I disagree, but that doesn’t discount that he want to lynch someone he has stated he thinks is scum, where you want to lynch someone you think is 3P and have no evidence of their hostility. If I am wrong about you, I hope you will consider that town is better off focusing on scum and that 3P can wait for now. If you are town, please do some scum hunting and see where it leads you… there are plenty of other players to look at, and 12 of them are scum. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk From my notes, and reading, Diggit has flown completely under my radar. Has he(he, right?) been avoiding posting much on anything meaty? I’ll take a look back (or see if someone already did it this day). ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/238 "2017-02-02T12:26:07Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Here we are at the start of D4. > > If this was a regular-sized game, we would definitely be looking at some players just because they are famed scum-hunters and haven’t been killed yet. But this game, being 3 times the size of a regular one, may warrant this takes a later look. Especially since Scum have gotten unreasonably lucky with their kills of power roles. > > Anybody think we need to be looking at this? Or is it really too soon? Too much meta for me here - I’ve been out of these games since 08? 09? So for those of us either out of practice, or new to the game / players here, that would have us leaving a lot of trust in those that dictate these things. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/239 "2017-02-02T12:30:32Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You forget that we have a mixed population of players old and current. Many came out of retirement for this game alone. And what you say discounts that we have scum hunting scum in this game, and Lynch would be preferable to using a kill. Both of these info points will skew any results that analysis would give. If there is a time for this, I don’t think it’s now. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Look at this! I agreed with Paul, hah 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/240 "2017-02-02T12:35:52Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I’m pretty sure I have already said this, but for the record I am not a cultist. Is it possible LUTHA are responsible for the extra Day death on D3? Yes. But if so, they took out a wolf… they couldn’t have known it was a wolf when they targeted, but maybe they had reason to suspect the target was scum. We’re either of the Daykills proponents of lynching 3P? I will have to go back and check. But with scum getting killed, I think it boosts scum incentive to find out who else is out there killing town is just as in the dark as ever, scum just had a wake up call. I expect a lot more people being vocal about wanting to lynch 3P now. In a game this size, it’s a marathon, not a sprint… everyone is chomping at the bit for info that town can afford to wait for. This is the third Day this topic has been a prominent discussion point. Stop wasting time and put your money where you mouth is or move on. I stated my opinion on the matter as clearly as possible. Until someone goes and does some scum hunting and comes back with a potential lynch candidate AND THEN advocates using the second lynch on 3P, I’m not going to suddenly agree. I’ll just get pinged and see the potential scum motivation behind it. I can’t stop anyone from lynching the 3P, if you are so for it, why isn’t your vote on one of them? > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk You don’t suspect that there is a serial killer out there? With a game this large, and that we know there are some 3p out there, I wouldn’t be surprised. I would be surprised if a 3p team of 5 had some way to kill - that seems like too good a team to have out there, unknown to the players. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=13)