# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/241 "2017-02-02T12:38:59Z")
This is snipped… > [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Crys: I might have missed it, but did you ever investigate and confirm Sachertorte? Crys75, I would certainly appreciate it if you could verify him or not toNight. We keep getting tons of noise about 3p here, and I think it’s an easy way for scum to hide their intents. Verify sach, and we can at least move on. If he isn’t, it’s an easy lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/242 "2017-02-02T12:41:40Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay. > > In [Post 882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960060&postcount=882), Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched. > > He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two: > > 1: **PlumPudding** unvoted **Idle** in [Post 889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960110&postcount=889), but then revoted him a half-hour later in [Post 897](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960156&postcount=897). > > 2: **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** voted for him in [Post 917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960443&postcount=917). > > In both these cases, we had players _voting for town_. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? Hal, good points. I’m still reading, and hopefully we get an answer. Also - Cookies, I think I used to play Halo 3 with you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/243 "2017-02-02T13:41:59Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > It’s she, although it doesn’t really matter to me whether you think I’m a she, he or it. Pardon me. Hard to keep up with pronouns here. > [@Khameleon](#): > > First of all, I didn’t vote for **Thing Fish** - I FOS-ed him. Plus I had reasons to find him suspicious, and lo and behold, he was Scum. Ummm, that would make me…right? But you’re saying I wasn’t - wow, confusing… You’re right, it was just a FoS. That’s my mistake. It doesn’t change the rest of the case I made. And, quite frankly, a FoS from you is still a lot since your participation has been so low. That’s not meant to impugn your character - I’m sure you’re legitimately busy - but when your contributions are small, every individual action has greater weight. Minor sidenote: I’m calling anybody’s vote on Idle a null tell for the time being. > [@Khameleon](#): > > So you are suggesting I’m a Wolf and that I wanted to bus my team mate who had pretty much no chance of being lynched? Exactly right. It’s an **extremely** common scum tactic to throw shade at a teammate who has no chance of being lynched, so that they can later say **exactly what you’re saying.** > [@Khameleon](#): > > Sorry, not that “clever”. I also don’t believe I was the first one to question **Idle’s** inactivity. No you weren’t, but I believe you were the first one to bring up the meta-reasoning, that Idle’s inactivity might be a result of the role he was given. \*\*Correct me if I’m wrong. \*\* > [@Khameleon](#): > > I’m getting that same instinctual Scummy vibe from you as I did from Thing Fish. How about building a case on me? I have plenty of posting history. Your “instinctual scummy vibe” doesn’t phase me even a little bit, if we’re being honest. Build a case! ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/244 "2017-02-02T14:48:49Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > If they cross confirm each other ( crys/sach) this early they will be burned out - unable to check out the next claim- leaving it wide open for falsies to claim. And, do we know the others can even investigate? Did sach claim he could as well - I seem to recall he mentioned he could, correct? Seems to me if crys confirms sach, he would then confirm, etc. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/245 "2017-02-02T14:52:17Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > You don’t suspect that there is a serial killer out there? With a game this large, and that we know there are some 3p out there, I wouldn’t be surprised. > > I would be surprised if a 3p team of 5 had some way to kill - that seems like too good a team to have out there, unknown to the players. We actually agree with each other. If you keep reading, you’ll see my response that I was answering a pretty direct question about the possibility of the kill coming from LUTHA. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/246 "2017-02-02T15:16:12Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > \*\* Pleo \*\* > Again- your (mock) votes on players for something that happened D1 is still bothering me. > You are not really ‘making a case’ on the player just noting one thing that happened Days ago > > [anticipating your response .I add] > oh what’s that ? but, you say you got one right-so far- why yes you did – What are the odds of that? > You gain no Town cred in my book for one of the many players on your mock vote list. I don’t care whether or not you like how I find Scum. And I don’t care to collect “Town cred”–avoiding the lynch is the goal of Scum, not Town. My goal is to maximize the expected damage to Scum even as I am lynched or killed. Here’s a hint: Scum often play very well. They may show their Scummy intentions only once or twice. Find that mistake and you’ve got them. Looking at the “big picture” simply allows Scum to cover their mistake with lots of pro-Town activity. Players say how Towny **Thing Fish** looked. Of course! Scum do play pro-Town, except when they make a mistake. That’s why the whole concept of “Town cred” is a waste of effort. To find Scum, find the accidentally revealed Scummy intentions. So when I highlight a post in my vote list, it’s because I think that player has showed Scummy intentions and that I’m confident enough in that accessment that I’m willing to lynch them. To the first order, it does not matter what they posted earlier or later. To a higher order, I may change my assessments, which will be reflected in my updated vote lists. > [@LightFoot](#): > > Hell if everyone make a short (yours is currently 7) list of suspected players ,eventually one would flip bad guy- and then have the luxury of not getting their hands dirty. Posting a list of players and stating I will move my vote to any of them to get them lynched is rather the opposite of “not getting my hands dirty”. I’m putting my hands in many pots. As well as explicitly aggravating each player I’ve listed. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/247 "2017-02-02T15:24:25Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > Snipping, and bleaching. > > Also, commenting as I catch up, so I apologize if things have been stated. > > From my notes, and reading, Diggit has flown completely under my radar. Has he(he, right?) been avoiding posting much on anything meaty? I’ll take a look back (or see if someone already did it this day). Both myself and total lost posted a WoW of Diggit in the D3 thread. Mine is toward the beginning of the Day, hers is during the Night. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/248 "2017-02-02T16:06:11Z")
In [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19940232&postcount=979) by Wolf **jsgoddess** on Day 2, she laments that she thinks the game is broken due to non-participation of players. I wonder if her frustration could be directed at a member of her own team who was not participating. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/249 "2017-02-02T16:32:10Z")
Hm, maybe. It’s WIFOM territory because it’s true - all of the absent players **are** breaking the game. The lack of participating players makes it all but impossible to get a multi-lynch and I feel like we have more to gain than to lose by using it, especially yesterDay, when we were forced to take care of Idle. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/250 "2017-02-02T16:45:55Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Pretty unlikely. Jesters are generally considered Bastard and unfun. I can’t see the mods choosing to do that. So are Millers and we have a patsy ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/251 "2017-02-02T17:31:13Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I don’t think the 3P are hostile. I don’t think they are responsible for either wolf kill. I was asked specifically if I thought it possible. Possible, yes. But I still don’t think it likely or that they are hostile… I think it would imbalance the game. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > A SK that is completely unrelated to LUTHA. Do you think the only third party at play are LUTHA? Which is is \*\* Paul \*\*? ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/252 "2017-02-02T17:32:29Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > So are Millers and we have a patsy True, but they told us up front that the Miller would exist, AND they gave the Miller an additional power so as to make the role not completely worthless. A Jester is on an whole nother level. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/253 "2017-02-02T17:40:50Z")
Yeah, jesters suck because they force town to question its only weapon. Millers suck because they violate the integrity of investigations, but it’s mitigated by us having foreknowledge. ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/254 "2017-02-02T17:52:09Z")
> [@Koldanar](#): > > And, do we know the others can even investigate? Did sach claim he could as well - I seem to recall he mentioned he could, correct? Seems to me if crys confirms sach, he would then confirm, etc. if they are Scum playing a game n us we know who the two of them are. and they are only 2 . Until we let them feel ‘safe’ there will be no other claims I wager the rest of LUTHA ( if they exist) are comfy staying in the shadows until their outed kin are dead.( and then only if the non-hostile aspect is proven) I am NOT LUTHA, not crumbing at all. just using logic - well, my logic YMMV ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/255 "2017-02-02T17:54:07Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > In [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19940232&postcount=979) by Wolf **jsgoddess** on Day 2, she laments that she thinks the game is broken due to non-participation of players. I wonder if her frustration could be directed at a member of her own team who was not participating. I had the same thought- if we get close to a 2nd lynch may I suggest a low poster be considered as #2 ---
**Author:** ![LightFoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e8cbc/32.png) [@LightFoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LightFoot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/256 "2017-02-02T17:55:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Sorry, my wife came home from work and dinner, dog walks and two episodes of \*True Detective \*later… > > ××××× > Knock knock knock > > There is someone at the door. It’s a delivery man! Sign here please. Thank you. > > You open up your package. > > Inside is a box with a label. The label says Doctor Seward Switch. What does it do? > > The switch is currently in the on position. You can toggle it if you like each Night. The next Night it will reset itself. Oh and there is also a note that there is another one of these out there. Huh. They may effect each other. > > Have fun with your gift! > > ××××× You said you turned the doc seward off D1? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/257 "2017-02-02T18:09:19Z")
Snipped. > [@Biotop](#): > > \*\*\* **I am the holder of a now useless Doctor Seward switch. I flipped it on Night one, but not after that.** \*\*\* Why did you flip it? ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/258 "2017-02-02T18:24:44Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > My count is 39. > > Pfui! Another Doc and the one person who believed I was Town! Pfui, pfui, pfui! > [@sachertorte](#): > > This post makes me really want to Lynch you. But as I type that out, I recall there being a guy in the handful of games that I watched or played in during the last few years who I really, really felt was screaming scum, but wasn’t. Was that you? I think it might have been you. Still makes me want to Lynch you though. In my early games with Prof., I felt that the pfui came off as disingenuous and scummy, but it’s truly a null tell for Prof. He does it for most or all town deaths from what I remember. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I’m off to the dungeon. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk It’s also the game with multiple lynches which I’ve already linked. It was Mahaloth’s HoH (Hoople or Heffalump) 3. As of this writing, it’s the top of the dungeon. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/259 "2017-02-02T18:28:10Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > You said you turned the doc seward off D1? Why? I thought the other switch holder might flip theirs. It was just a guess. It’s the same reason I didn’t flip Night 2. By Night 3 it seemed better not to flip because the other switch holder might be dead, so the odds seemed slightly better not to flip. ---
**Author:** ![Koldanar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@Koldanar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koldanar)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/260 "2017-02-02T18:28:43Z")
> [@Khameleon](#): > > … > Okay, I will admit I did not word this very well and that I also didn’t go back and check on the roles when I posted it. **So yes, I made an assumption that I was investigated by Scum who then knew I was Town and whether or not I have a significant role (which I am not going to say)**. Thing Fish’s vote and reasons really felt to me like someone looking for a quiet place to put a bogus vote in order to remain under the radar and out of the larger voting pools. It was a feeling I had about his crappy justifications and nothing more than that. > … Khameleon, are you using this to soft claim? Why even bring it up day 1, let alone again? The comment doesn’t sound good to me - like you’re hand waving us off. “Oh, don’t worry, I don’t have a power role, but look over there!”. If you were a town power role, I have difficulty believing you would even bring it up, unless you were full claiming. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=14)