# Mafia Reunion Day 4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 31, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699 "2017-01-31T21:14:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/301 "2017-02-02T23:53:55Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > II asked because that is not what you said in the first post I quoted, \*\* Paul \*\* I see the problem you are having. I in the first of the two posts you quoted, I was using 3P to refer to the claimed cultists. In the second one I am using 3P to refer to non-cultists third parties that we are unaware of. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/302 "2017-02-02T23:55:24Z")
Oh, we are voting **Sake Squid**? . Meh. . **Vote Squid** ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/303 "2017-02-03T01:00:02Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > There are other concerns that point to **Boozahol** as Scum: > > 1. Vote on\*\* Hawkeyeop\*\* for making his N0 “unfair to Scum” comment on Day 1. Does he really think a Scum player would argue about whether a tactic was fair or unfair to Scum on Night 0? Poor vote. > 2. Complains to Mods about how Town roles don’t have cool names, being sure to refer to “us” as Town. Seems forced, phony light talk with hidden agenda of aligning himself with Town. > 3. Spends lots of time wanting to vote for the cult and then voted for **Crys75** on Day 3 before deciding now Day 4 we probably shouldn’t go after the cult. > 4. Worries on Day 4 about what the **Angel Town flip means for him. He votes Professor Pepperwinkle and then unvotes him. This whole exchange is troublesome. I have no problem with his initial suspicion of and arguments with Angel, who plays a great Scum game. I have no problem with his suspicion of Professor Pepperwinkle because I still think he (PP) could flip Scum, but not LUTHA. But I do have a problem with Boozahol’s voting self concern over Town concern. > 5. Angel of the North **’s death removes a major** Boozahol** accuser. I can’t believe I’m having to deign to respond to this list of crap, but it seems at least one other person has bitten on it, so I will. 1. Day One vote. I don’t know know what you expect anyone to base a day one vote on; but you’re now basing your day four votes when there is actual information on bulldrek that is as weak as my Day One vote. I probably admitted when making the vote on Hawkeye, and certainly reference often in my discussions in this and every other game that day one votes aren’t substansive because there’s nothing to go on. 2. It wasn’t forced, phony light talk. It was light talk. I was joking. I wasn’t trying to build towny cred by ragging on the mods, I was just ragging on the mods for funs’ sake. Do you hate fun? 3. I wanted to (and still want to at some point) see a dead LUTHA in order to verify their claim that they’re just a band of merry survivors. Losing two doctors (Doc Seward and The Wizard) in one day puts a lot more pressure on us (oh, sorry, you don’t want me to refer to the town in the first person) on Town, because Doc roles are a huge advantage to Town in the endgame, even if they’re mostly just self protectors in the early game (and bad ones at that in this game.) My priorities have changed. I don’t want Crys’ blood in particular, but I will say that I will be a happier man when one of the five of them gets hit by the mafia or wolves and we can let them settle in as a second mason team. Until we have more proof, though, the Town should remain suspicious of them. 4. I didn’t vote PP over self concern. I voted PP because my initial reaction was to look at the second place vote-getter from yesterday. You will note that what I was concerned about turned out to come to fruition, so I’m not completely off base here: the votes are piling up on me, not him. Perhaps because of my poor play toDay, but still. I will vote out of self concern if I need to shift the balance away from me, but that’s because I know that I’m town, and I know lynching me will be our fifth mislynch of town in this game. 5. See above. We’re on track for five mislynches of Town (in a game with 14 scum, and no less than five third parties) right now because some of you people think I used “us” for “town” too much on Night Zero and think that’s some end around way of getting everyone to love me. I really want to win this game, but the way that people are determining scumminess is obviously not working. I bet half of the scum out there are just sitting quietly throwing in a single comment a day because that’s all it takes to stay out of the limelight and let the occasional\*\* Idle Thoughts\*\* (or possibly now, **BoozySquid** ) melt-down save them. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/304 "2017-02-03T01:02:03Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Oh, we are voting **Sake Squid**? > . > Meh. Come on, Meeko. That stuff makes me retch. How about Sazerac Squid? Or Stoli Squid? Or just Spiritous Squid, if you’re not into that whole specificity thing? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/305 "2017-02-03T01:24:45Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Two players really pinged me at the end-of-day yeterDay. > > In [Post 882](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960060&postcount=882), Idle flamed out, posting a screenshot which effectively proved his townliness. Once he did that, he was all-but-confirmed, and was likely going to be modkilled if he wasn’t lynched. > > He did that late enough in the Day that it likely wasn’t going to save him, having a pretty good lead in the vote count. Still, better to lynch an unknown than a known-town, so I (and several others) unvoted him. However, we also had these two: > > 1: **PlumPudding** unvoted **Idle** in [Post 889](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960110&postcount=889), but then revoted him a half-hour later in [Post 897](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960156&postcount=897). > > 2: **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** voted for him in [Post 917](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19960443&postcount=917). > > In both these cases, we had players _voting for town_. Did he deserve a vote before posting that screenshot? Absolutely – I didn’t beleive a word of his claim. But once he made that post, he was as close as known town as one can be without specific mod confirmation. So to **PlumPudding** and **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , I would love an explanation – why would you vote for town knowing that he was town? Alternately, did you have some reason to think his claim was in some way false? Ah yes, it was **Plumpudding**. **Plumpudding** and **Cookies** …_Homer drooling sounds_ _shakes head out of dreamstate_. Yeah, scummy AF. **Vote Hal Briston** > [@TexCat](#): > > I guess I’ve heard this expression before, but not one that I would ever use. But just to add that [Crys’s PM](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19936233&postcount=561) shows: > I note that (Non-Hostile) appears as part of her alignment. > [@snfaulkner](#): > > Assuming she didn’t edit it… > [@LightFoot](#): > > and there in lies the rub All that up there. Although I will not fight to use our second lynch today on 3P if we have two viable scum ready to swing, I still don’t believe they are non-hostile. Call it semantics, but I don’t think the mods would phrase the alignment that way. It doesn’t ring true to how the rest of the roles read. We had an unreconciled death last night. It’s a fair assumption that scum hold the second Batman switch, so it’s also a fair assumption there is a 3P killer. I believe that killer is part of the cult. > [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > Let me make my thought process as crystal as possible, because I’m concerned that I’ve been somewhat incoherant. > > 1. Day Four Dawns. Angel is dead. She’s town. > > 2. BoozySquid (that’s me) thinks to himself “Crap. Not only did we lose two townies last night, but **Angel** was Town.” > > 3. BoozySquid realize that the heat he’s been taking over the past few days is likely to increase because he was on the wrong side of a now-confirmed-dead Townie. > > 4. BoozySquid determines that **Angel** was likely killed by the Wolves. > > 5. BoozySquid wonders why the wolves would kill Angel instead of some other Townie. To slander him! (He’s a bit of a narcissist, you know) > > 6. Boozy looks at who the wolves might have been protecting: the second place vote-getter from yesterday! Places vote without much further consideration. > > 7. BoozySquid realizes how obnoxious it is to write about himself in the third person and promises not to do it again. Aside from your narcissistic tendencies, why do you think the wolves are out to slander you? (Sorry, if this has been asked and answered just point me to the post.) ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/306 "2017-02-03T01:30:10Z")
> [@LightFoot](#): > > So are Millers and we have a patsy Other’s have mentioned this, but Millers are only Bastard if it’s a closed game. Because any scum can claim it and you don’t know if they’re telling the truth. So any town who claims it has to has be lynched. In this case, it’s an open game. We know there’s a Miller out there. That means that even if investigated as scum, the Miller just has to claim to get out of it. And any scum who false claims Miller will immediately get counterclaimed, and any townie Miller who gets false counterclaimed will still net us a scum, even if we lynch the wrong claimee. However, if not forced to claim, the Patsy shouldn’t wait until we approach lylo to claim, because scum will counterclaim them for the chance at the mislynch if they have enough numerical advantage to sacrifice one of their own. And Godfather’s are worse for town than Miller’s. A falsely confirmed townie is much worse than a mislynch. Godfathers in a closed game are really bastard, even if common (which is the only thing that mitigates it, people expect them so even in closed games it’s essentially an open power). Godfathers in an open game don’t mitigate the issue too much (since everyone expects them anyway). > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > If we have two lynches, I don’t see what could possibly be bad about a tie decided by [random.org](http://random.org)? I’m pretty sure that at least one of the moderator posts (I think it was NAF) mentioned ) that they wouldn’t necessarily [random.org](http://random.org) solely among the leaders. That’s what’s bad about it. They might [random.org](http://random.org) among any player. At least, that was the threat, IIRC. Are you willing to risk that they were merely joking about that? Though, I will ask this: **If both lynch leaders tie, but the tie is enough to meet the second lynch threshold, will both leaders be lynched automatically, or is [random.org](http://random.org) still going to come into play?** > [@](#): > > A sort of a mislynch, really? There are still 5 wolves left, and it’s better to lynch mafia? Do you disagree with my numbers? Do you disagree that when a scum team is leading the other team they don’t need to worry as much about killing the other team at that point? Do disagree that if we are at LYLO with the currently winning scum team, we can lose the game by lynching the other scum? If you disagree, why? If you don’t, then why reiterate my post and spin it as if I’m being scummy? ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/307 "2017-02-03T01:32:54Z")
> [@Hockey\_Monkey](#): > > Aside from your narcissistic tendencies, why do you think the wolves are out to slander you? (Sorry, if this has been asked and answered just point me to the post.) My feeling at the time was that an Angel death was that, given her and my fight over the first two days. On more reasoned (and sober) reflection, it’s just more of the same from both scum groups: they kill people who talk too much. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/308 "2017-02-03T01:33:11Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Oh, we are voting **Sake Squid**? > . > Meh. > . > **Vote Squid** Just dropping by to make sure you don’t get modkilled, or do you plan on posting more than twice toDay? Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/309 "2017-02-03T01:42:54Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Do you disagree with my numbers? Do you disagree that when a scum team is leading the other team they don’t need to worry as much about killing the other team at that point? Do disagree that if we are at LYLO with the currently winning scum team, we can lose the game by lynching the other scum? > > If you disagree, why? > > If you don’t, then why reiterate my post and spin it as if I’m being scummy? I agree with you logic FWIW. You leave out the bonus that the wolves need to even out the numbers. The next time someone flips wolf, I’ll be looking very closely at sudden shifts in their suspicions. I expect for wolves to be pushing for players they suspect are mafia. I expect the mafia to turn their attentions to the loud, suspected power roles/masons, and the claimed cultists. Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/310 "2017-02-03T02:03:40Z")
Review of Koldanar. Votes: D1-Lakai D2-SNF D3-no vote D1.247 The Understudy vs. A wizard. More than 1 wizard? D1.821 Catching up, but don’t trust the mods. Missed line about 1 of each role. D1.900 Votes Lakai for jumping on the Colby bandwagon, even though Colby’s post does read as off. D2.119 Burby targeted because of post count? Still catching up. D2.271 Disagrees with Angel that JSG repeating her D1 suspicions was suspicious. D2.274 Responds to Lightfoot. Defends Lakai vote on D1. D2.278 Again to Lightfoot. Red & PCM non-posting is anti-town. D2.285 Still to Lightfoot. Suspicious of Inner Stickler for D2.109 where he speculates on a Boozy-Angel scum show. D2.494 Multi-lynch OK in early game. Brewha: I’m fairly confident that he’s on the up-and-up here. D2.528 Explains to Paul about Inner. D2.635 Confused by Crys’s motivations. Why claim? D2.636 Asks for all 3 switch claims. D2.645 Damn java script on mobile. D2.819 Votes SNF. Bandwagons Guiri’s vote on SNF for voting Crys. D2.1070 Explains to Chronos post D2.819. D3.166 OOG: Tree fell. May be quiet. D3.309 Disagrees with Angel when Angel asks are they still in the game. D3.346 ToeJam: barring CC town. Does not like LUTHA voters: JohnnyB, Ender, SNF. [D3.349](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19952794&postcount=349) Lean list. A lot of neutrals. D3.363 Lynching 3P is a mistake. D3.1121 Apologizes for not voting. Promises thoughts later. D3.1132 Lack of kills on D2 could be switches D3.1134 Explains username D3.1135 Asks JohnnyB about why lynching 3P (Sach) is worthwhile. D3.1140 In response to JohnnyB. Agrees with his analysis in D2.990, but still thinks 3P not a good lynch. D3.1144 Information overload in this game. D4.237 Diggit has been under his radar. D4.238 Too much meta from ProfP re why are they still alive D4.239 Agrees with Paul re meta above Koldy only posted 3 times on D1. All of his suspicions and most of his posts on Days 2 and 3 were based around not lynching 3P. And then this from today. > [@Koldanar](#): > > You don’t suspect that there is a serial killer out there? With a game this large, and that we know there are some 3p out there, I wouldn’t be surprised. > > I would be surprised if a 3p team of 5 had some way to kill - that seems like too good a team to have out there, unknown to the players. > [@Koldanar](#): > > This is snipped… > Crys75, I would certainly appreciate it if you could verify him or not toNight. We keep getting tons of noise about 3p here, and I think it’s an easy way for scum to hide their intents. Verify sach, and we can at least move on. If he isn’t, it’s an easy lynch. Koldy, there’s obviously an unknown 3P killer out there. Do you think he should be lynched? Or are you against all 3P lynches? Why do you believe Crys’s claim, but not Sachertorte’s? Why are you so sure that the LUTHA don’t have the ability to kill? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/311 "2017-02-03T02:05:41Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Oh, we are voting **Sake Squid**? > . > Meh. > . > **Vote Squid** This is a weird vote to me. ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/312 "2017-02-03T02:05:48Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I thought I was done tonight. I lied. > > Between this and your previous post I flagged for follow up, I’m getting all sorts of pings from you here. > > You know, when someone dies in this game, my first thought isn’t “well shit. This totally implicates me, doesn’t it?” And my first action isn’t to come online and try to explain to people how this totally doesn’t implicate me. > > First, because the thought would never occur to me to do so. But second, because I know I’m innocent, so why would I need to bother trying to justify or premtively explain anything? If someone wants to make a case, let them. I’m innocent. > > But these don’t look like the actions of an innocent guy. You sure are trying to spend a heck of a lot of time justifying what should be a complete non- > > **Vote Boozahol Squid, P.I.** This is a good point. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > @ProfessorPepperwinkle, I trust townie Angel’s gut. I’m gonna give you a pass for your eccentric techniques so far. I’m content with giving you as much rope to hang yourself with as possible. Wanna help me with something? I’m going to start rereading D1,2, and 3. Can you provide vote numbers and summaries if I were to ask for them? For example, I’d like to see who jumped off the main contenders on D1, the count at the time of their vote change and any reasoning they give. If it’s too much, I’ll do without or figure it out later, but I figured with your skill at figures it might be a lot easier for you to figure out than I. > > Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk Is this a normal thing to ask someone else to do now, or is it weird? To me it’s weird. And then **Prof Pepper** did it! Which I also find weird. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Hey, Paul! > > Regarding the vote count on D1 on the vote leaders and how it transpired during the day. > > Warning: it’s long. > > OSMafia Day 1 Complete Vote Record [all times EST] > > 01-07 > > Post 029 [8:30 pm] – TexCat voted for Normal Phase. “Oh heck, this is as good a starting vote as any” then when asked by jsgoddess why, said in 031 “thought it was obvious. For editing. Not because I think that Normal was necessarily hiding something with the edit, but it sets a bad precedent. I don’t approve of editing.” > > Post 036 [10:07 pm] – Johnny Bravo voted for Normal Phase. “The silly edits were just that. Silly. But calling somebody scummy for ignoring your obvious night 0 silliness is suspect as hell.” > > Post 037 [10:11 pm] – snfaulkner voted for Angel. A poke vote. > > Post 041 [10:36 pm] – Meeko voted for Johnny Bravo. “At the risk of snuggling with Phase… The entire “Scum Tells Don’t Exist” line of thinking, and a fluffier than fluff vote… Pings. … Perhaps one or the other would give you a pass, but both together, and yeah I’m good putting in an early day 1 vote.” > > 01-08 > > Post 057 [12:01 am] – Captain Klutz voted for ToeJam. ToeJam had asked if there were Scum boards, and the Captain thought this was TJ attempting to hide his scumminess. > > Post 085 [3:07 am] – septimus voted for Pleonast for a post of Pleo’s that septimus thought “weird” and might be alerting Scum to possible countermeasures. > > Post 091 [8:40 am] – TexCat unvoted Normal Phase, voted Colby. She thought she had caught him in a slip by his saying “the other team”. “It sure sounds like he’s on one of the scum teams to me.” > > Post 094 [9:10 am] – Drain Bead voted Meeko. Meeko’s exchange with Johnny Bravo struck DB as suspicious for both of them. > > Post 097 [9:49 am] – AngeloftheNorth voted Drain Bead. “The sum of his posts indicate busyness to me rather than sincerity.” > > Post 101 [10:17 am] – Guiri voted Colby, saying TexCat’s read on him was “a good catch”. > > Post 102 [10:19 am] – Normal Phase voted Boozahol for two earlier posts. “The first one was a very slight ping along the lines of what snfaulkner and ThingFish pointed out – self-consciously grouping oneself with town. The second quote morphed from defense against the accusation (‘don’t we all present ourselves as town?’) into some kind of weird promotion of information-gathering – which he wasn’t even doing – as a pro-town tactic, and manages to drive the “look how townie I’m being” ping up several notches.” > > Post 106 [10:38 am] – septimus unvoted Pleonast, voted Colby. Jumping on the bandwagon. > > Post 113 [11:19 am] – Sunny Daze voted ToeJam for an “overly sensitive proclamation of innocence” on Day 0. > > Post 130 [1:31 pm] – Meeko unvoted Johnny Bravo, voted Colby. Bandwagon vote. > > Post 132 [1:42 pm] – ToeJam voted Colby. Bandwagon vote. > > Vote Count at Post 142 [2:54 pm] > Colby – 5 votes > ToeJam – 2 votes > Normal Phase, Angel, Meeko, Drain Bead, Boozahol – 1 vote each. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 5/ToeJam 2/Angel 1/Lakai 0 > > Post 147 [3:34 pm] – Normal Phase unvoted Boozahol, voted ToeJam. “Oh man. I can see already I’m going to have problems with you. This post hits every alarm bell around.” And “If I see one more person say slip up is better than policy vote or poke vote or random vote when there are other options on the board I might lose my mind.” > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 5/ToeJam 3/Angel 1/ Lakai 0 > > Post 152 [4:48 pm] Hockey Monkey voted Colby. Bandwagon vote. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 6/ToeJam 3/Angel 1/ Lakai 0 > > Post 154 [5:22 pm] Lakai joined the bandwagon on Colby. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 3/Angel 1/ Lakai 0 > > Post 157 [5:52 pm] snfaulkner unvoted Angel, voted Boozahol. Defends Colby’s post style. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 3/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 162 [6:33 pm] Suburban Plankton joined the bandwagon on Colby. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 3/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 183 [9:33 pm] Chronos voted jsgoddess. > “In post 444 of Night 0, jsgoddess says that she thinks that we should be discussing how Town roles should play, since conversation in general is good, and power-roles are free to disregard the advice anyway. But it occurred to me that I hadn’t noticed her doing much of that discussion herself, and so I searched up all of her posts in the two threads. Confirmed: She never actually discusses anything about what any of the Town roles should do. Not only that, but she posts an awful lot of fluff, and of the non-fluff posts she’s made, most of them seem to be expressing the most non-contentious side of whatever topic she’s on, even though she herself suggested one non-fluff topic of conversation. I think that she’s trying to get everyone else to talk more as cover (because we really do tend to lynch the loud, even though we shouldn’t), while laying low herself.” > > Post 184 [9:49 pm] Hooker voted ToeJam for posting “way too snugly and inoffensive”. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 4/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 188 [10:50 pm] Boozahol voted hawkeyeop. For a N0 comment about wanting the game to be fair to scum. > > Post 195 [11:52 pm] Hoopy Frood voted for Capt. Klutz. Taking issue with the Captain’s vote on TJ. > > 01-09 > > Post 200 [1:01 am] sinjin voted for ToeJam for N0 discussion. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 5/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 231 [11:27 am] septimus unvoted Colby. The slip claim is weak. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 241 [12:50 am] Pleonast voted Normal Phase “for daring us to vote for them in D1.27.”, and would vote for Chronos and Scathach as well. > > Post 243 [1:14 pm] Enderw24 voted for septimus, because he disagreed with septimus’s reasoning on his vote for Pleonast. > > Vote Count Post 248 [1:51 pm] > Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Normal Phase 2 > 1 vote each on Meeko, Drain Bead, jsgoddess, hawkeyeop, Capt. Klutz, septimus > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 249 [2:09 pm] Diggit voted Colby. Bandwagon. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 5/Angel 0/ Lakai 0 > > Post 257 [3:47 pm] Inner Stickler voted Lakai for egging on the bandwagon on Colby. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 5/Lakai 1/Angel 0 > > Post 259 [3:58 pm] bufftabby voted Johnny Bravo. For exaggerating the reason for his vote on Normal Phase. > > Post 264 [4:33 pm] Diggit unvoted Colby, voted snfaulkner for his earlier defense of Colby. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Lakai 1/Angel 0 > > Post 273 [5:22 pm] Total Lost voted septimus. For snuggling Normal Phase and Angel. > > Post 295 [6:37 pm] snfaulkner unvoted Boozahol, voted Lakai. For egging on the bandwagon, then disappearing. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Lakai 2/Angel 0 > > Post 319 [9:42 pm] Red Skeezik voted Lakai. For egging on the bandwagon. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 5/Lakai 3/Angel 0 > > Post 322 [9:51] Normal Phase unvoted ToeJam, voted septimus. She agreed with sachertorte that septimus was running away from the Colby bandwagon. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 4/Lakai 3/Angel 0 > > 1-10 > > Post 347 [7:08 am] Capt. Klutz unvotes ToeJam, votes septimus. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 7/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 0 > > Post 350 [9:00 am] Hawkeyeop voted Colby. For his lackluster defense. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 0 > > Post 412 [3:49 pm] Plumpudding voted Biotop. For not posting as much as usual. > > Post 413 [3:49 pm] Zeriel voted Angel. For not reading the rules. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 1 > > Post 455 [8:01 pm] Nanook voted Colby. For his poor defense. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 1 > > Post 470 [9:48 pm] Plumpudding unvoted Biotop. On finding the reason for his lack of posting was schedule. > > Post 472 [10:04 pm] Plumpudding voted Prof. P. For merely observing. > > 1-11 > > Post 480 [12:23 am] Hoopy Frood unvoted Capt. Klutz. Voted septimus. For hiding in plain sight. > > Post 488 [3:31 am] septimus voted Johnny Bravo. “(Applications for explanation will be considered only if accompanied with clarification: Is explanation intended to help assess Johnny’s Scummitude? Or my own?)” > > Post 493 [6:29 am] Total Lost unvoted septimus, voted Angel. For Angel’s defending herself – that her not having read the rules being anti-Town, and those who know Angel know she doesn’t play that way. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 2 > > Post 503 [9:29 am] jsgoddess voted Angel. Also for her odd defense. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 3/Lakai 3/Angel 3 > > Post 511 [9:57 am] Pleonast unvoted Normal Phase, voted septimus for a lousy vote in D1.488. > > Post 528 [11:51 am] Prof. P. voted Enderw24, for “reviewing the rules but missing obvious points.” > > Post 534 [12:08 pm] sachertorte voted ToeJam. For not posting. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 4/Lakai 3/Angel 3 > > Post 540 [1:04 pm] Boozahol unvoted Hawkeyeop, voted Angel. For not keeping up with the posted rules. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 4/Angel 4/Lakai 3 > > Post 541 [1:12 pm] Suburban Plankton unvoted Colby, voted Plumpudding. Wow on Plum, vote for “looking good, but no substance”. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 4/Angel 4/Lakai 3 > > Post 542 [1:21 pm] Angel unvoted Drain Bead, voted Boozahol. For his reason for voting for her. > > Post 545 [1:43 pm] Prof. P unvoted Enderw24, voted Koldanar, upon being shown he wasn’t paying attention and screwed up his own vote. > > Post 568 [3:23 pm] Hooker’s long explanation of his vote on ToeJam. No vote change. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 4/Angel 4/Lakai 4 > > 1-12 > > Post 647 [5:49 am] Plum unvoted Prof. P, voted Lakai for a lazy vote and no particular defense. > Post 659 [10:41 am] septimus voted Prof. P. for too much fluff. > > Post 679 [1:27 pm] raventhief voted Total Lost. For trying to force a claim from septimus. > > Post 683 [1:44 pm] brewha voted Colby. For the slip and his reaction to it. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 4/Angel 4/Lakai 4 > > Post 690 [2:06 pm] septimus claimed EMT. > > Post 709 [2:50 pm] Biotop voted Boozahol. For his reaction to Angel’s reaction to his vote on her. > > Post 714 [3:17 pm] Normal Phase unvoted septimus because of his claim. > > Post 716 [3:24 pm] jsgoddess unvoted Angel, voted Total Lost for hounding septimus. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 4/Angel 3/Lakai 4 > > Post 736 [4:51 pm] Hoopy Frood unvoted septimus, due to claim. > > Post 758 [7:44 pm] Scathach voted TexCat. For pointing out Colby’s slip, but she’s played enough with Colby to know that’s his style. > > Post 775 [9:20 pm] Lakai unvoted Colby, voted ToeJam. For Colby’s defense, and for TJ’s being too defensive. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 5/Angel 3/Lakai 4 > > Post 776 [9:26 pm] LightFoot voted Lakai. For egging on the bandwagon on Colby, and for her later responses. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 5/Lakai 5/Angel 3 > > Post 794 [11:17 pm] Thing Fish voted Pleonast. For failing to respond to his post. > > Post 796 [11:25 pm] Capt. Klutz unvoted septimus, voted ToeJam. Cites Hooker’s post in 568. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 6/Angel 3/Lakai 5 > > Post 798 [11:34 pm] Hoopy Frood voted scathach. For voting for TexCat though she finds other people more suspicious. > > 1-13 > > Post 824 [8:51 am] Normal Phase voted Pleonast. Agreeing with Thing Fish’s post in 794. > > Post 841 [10:33 am] Pleonast unvoted septimus, voted Colby 11 for poor participation. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 6/Angel 3/Lakai 5 > > Post 888 [1:31 pm] Drain Bead unvoted Meeko, voted Capt. Klutz. No comment. > > Post 900 [2:57 pm] Koldanar voted Lakai for wanting to jump on a bandwagon. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 6/ Lakai 6/ Angel 3 > > Post 908 [4:37 pm] Prof. P. unvoted Koldanar, since he was participating. > > Post 912 [4:55 pm] raventhief unvoted Total Lost. Raven said she had been irked by TL’s reactions, but that the vote was probably an over-reaction. > > Post 917 [5:24 pm] Chronos unvoted jsgoddess, though still suspected her. Voted Thing Fish, for a “genuine Scum slip”: “In other news: I think I may have actually found a genuine Scum slip. It’d been bugging me for a while, but I finally got the time to go back and look for the exact post and who made it. In N0.292, Thing Fish was summarizing the known roles. > Quote: > Understudy – one-shot use of the power of any Town power role killed Day or Night One > Except that the Understudy isn’t one-shot: They completely assume the role they’re replacing. But the Mook and the Whelp are. This might mean that Thing Fish read the Mook/Whelp role first, before the Understudy, skimmed, and assumed that it worked the same way. And why would he have read a Scum role before a Town one? Possibly because he got it in a PM, possibly because he scrolled down to check his own team’s roles before reading Town’s. That’s good enough for me, on Day 1.” > > Post 946 [10:57 pm] Colby unvoted septimus, voted brewha. For claiming to actively lurk. > > 1-14 > > Post 957 [1:18 am] Biotop unvoted Boozahol, voted Chronos. Suspected a trap around Chronos’s request we all say “I am Town. I am not 3P.” > > Post 977 [6:11 am] Guiri unvoted Colby, voted Lakai, for poor reasoning on the bandwagon and later responses. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 6/ Lakai 7/ Angel 3 > > Post 981 [6:37 am] septimus unvoted Prof. P. Voted Angel on a hunch. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ToeJam 6/ Lakai 7/ Angel 4 > > Post 993 [8:58 am] septimus unvoted Angel, voted Colby as “most suspicious”. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 6/ Lakai 7/ Angel 3 > > Post 1006 [11:53 am] Lakai unvoted ToeJam, voted Angel. For not being suspicious enough of Guiri. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/ToeJam 5/ Lakai 7/ Angel 4 > > Post 1011 [12:07 pm] Normal Phase unvoted Pleonast, voted ToeJam. For not recently posting. > > Post 1026 [12:56 pm] Suburban Plankton unvoted Plum, voted Colby, for his lack of defense and participation. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 10/ToeJam 5/ Lakai 7/ Angel 4 > > Post 1031 [1:15 pm] Hoopy Frood unvoted scathach, voted Lakai. For the pitchforks and torches line, and for further posts and reactions. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 10/Lakai 8/ ToeJam 5/ Angel 4 > > Post 1034 [1:20 pm] septimus unvoted Colby, as LightFoot’s remarks about the case made him less suspicious. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/Lakai 8/ ToeJam 5/ Angel 4 > > Post 1057 [2:46 pm] Prof. P. voted ToeJam, citing Hooker’s post at 568. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/Lakai 8/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1078 [3:59 pm] Angel unvoted Boozahol, voted Lakai. Because “his post voting me is incredibly scummy”. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 9/Lakai 9/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1082 [4:07 pm] Meeko unvoted Colby, voted Lakai. For squirming in his positions. > > EoD vote leaders: Colby 8/ Lakai 10/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1094 [5:34 pm] bufftabby unvoted Johnny Bravo, voted Lakai. Skeptical of posting. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 11/ Colby 8/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1101 [6:19 pm] Hockey Monkey unvoted Colby, voted Lakai. “A MeToo vote”. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 12/ Colby 7/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1108 [6:53 pm] Drain Bead unvoted Capt. Klutz, voted Lakai. But more likely to be 3P than Scum.” > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 13/ Colby 7/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1109 [7:03 pm] raventhief voted Lakai. “a hardcore ping” > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 14/ Colby 7/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > Post 1129 [10:04 pm] jsgoddess unvoted Total Lost, voted Lakai. “I didn’t like the previous case against Lakai, but given the weird commentary about getting killed and about Colby’s arsonist remark (which remark still puzzles me), now I get it. I think those who suggest 3rd party may be onto something.” > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 15/ Colby 7/ ToeJam 6/ Angel 4 > > 1-15 > > Post 1152 [6:00 am] BillMC voted ToeJam. Cites Hooker’s 568 post. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 15/ Colby 7/ ToeJam 7/ Angel 4 > > Post 1155 [8:28 am] septimus votes ToeJam. For not defending himself. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 15/ ToeJam 8/Colby 7/Angel 4 > > Post 1175 [11:11 am] MHaye voted Lakai. “voting for one of the leaders”. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 16/ ToeJam 8/Colby 7/Angel 4 > > Post 1178 [11:22 am] Biotop unvoted Chronos, voted ToeJam. For not playing. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 16/ToeJam 9/Colby 7/Angel 4 > > Post 1182 [12:14 pm] Guiri unvoted Colby, voted ToeJam. “Bringing it closer.” > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 16/ToeJam 10/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1187 [1:02 pm] nesta voted Lakai. “All of the leaders seem scummy to me.” > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 17/ToeJam 10/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1195 [1:44 pm] Enderw24 unvoted septimus, voted ToeJam, after giving a review on all the votes on Lakai. Cite’s Hooker’s post. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 17/ToeJam 11/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1197 [1:49 pm] Chronos unvoted ThingFish, voted ToeJam. Lack of participation. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 17/ToeJam 12/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1205 [2:39 pm] snfaulkner unvoted Lakai, voted ToeJam. At least Lakai’s playing. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 16/ToeJam 13/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1206 [2:44 pm] Cookies voted Lakai. No reason. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 17/ToeJam 13/Colby 6/Angel 4 > > Post 1208 [2:51 pm] Nanook unvoted Colby, voted Lakai. Voting against the ToeJam train. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 18/ToeJam 13/Colby 5/Angel 4 > > Post 1209 [2:56 pm] Lakai unvoted Angel, voted ToeJam. Self-preservation. > > EoD vote leaders: Lakai 18/ToeJam 14/Colby 5/Angel 3 > > I haven’t done any analysis myself on this yet, but, here you go. I need to go re-read D3 again. I take issue with your characterization of my vote on **Colby** as a bandwagon vote. I assume you read the whole day and saw my explanation for the vote (post 326 and 752). I was reading and reacting to the Day in real time and had no idea that anyone else had seen the (now we know not a) slip or if he had votes because of it. And now that is the 3rd time I’ve explained it. I can’t speak for anyone else on your gigantic spoilered list, but everyone should make sure you haven’t mischaracterized something else as well. I’m starting to get the hang of the multi quoting though. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/313 "2017-02-03T02:09:41Z")
@Hoopy & Guiri: I find the discussion about whether it’s better to lynch mafia or wolves a little disingenuous since we’ve only managed to lynch town so far. Clearly either one, or even 3P, would be better than we’ve done so far. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/314 "2017-02-03T02:14:35Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > This is a weird vote to me. You know, everything he does is weird. Drive-by voting’s not out of the normal **Meeko** range of weirdness… but his quietness recently is a bit off. I know he’s claimed frustration, but I have to say, this kind of vote just seems to smack a bit of piling onto something without any concern for the correctness of his vote. **vote: Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/315 "2017-02-03T02:45:23Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I agree with you logic FWIW. You leave out the bonus that the wolves need to even out the numbers. I’m pretty sure I mentioned it up in the original post that **Guiri** was responding to. > [@TexCat](#): > > @Hoopy & Guiri: I find the discussion about whether it’s better to lynch mafia or wolves a little disingenuous since we’ve only managed to lynch town so far. Clearly either one, or even 3P, would be better than we’ve done so far. It certainly would be better. Then again, we’ve only had three lynches so far. It’s not uncommon at all for town to have three mislynches going into Day 4. But what makes this discussion disingenous? I’ll repeat the same (well similar in this case) questions I asked **Guiri** and add an extra bonus one: If you disagree, why? If you don’t, then why pin it as if I’m being scummy? Should we not be considering the implications of the three major factions and their numbers over the long term? And to call it disingenuous, and then smear two players with that smudge without voting is one of the best examples of smudging I’ve seen so far this game. You might not think it’s a subject worth discussing, but to call it disingenuous? Really? Sure, I must be scummy because I can do basic math. It obviously takes perfect information to crank out numbers that are out in the open and infer the significance of them. **unvote Khameleon** **vote Texcat** ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/316 "2017-02-03T02:50:29Z")
> [@bufftabby](#): > > Just a sampling of posts from toDay, but what really strikes me about **Prof P** is how self-deprecating and conciliatory he seems to be. It just doesn’t ring true to me. I understand that **Angel** felt strongly that his apology made him Town, the apology seems to be in the same overly-agreeable vein as these other posts and hits me the wrong way. I’m going to continue my vote from yesterDay for now, and > > **vote Prof. Pepperwinkle** Now that you point it out, it does indeed seem overly conciliatory. Angel may have a good gut, but she was Vanilla. Yes she had good intentions, but we have no idea if she was right or wrong. > [@Meeko](#): > > Oh, we are voting **Sake Squid**? > . > Meh. > . > **Vote Squid** WTF is this crap? Have you given up? I’ve seen spurious reasons, me toos, and lazy votes before, but never a Meh. ---
**Author:** ![Crys75](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@Crys75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crys75)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/317 "2017-02-03T03:33:28Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Just wanted to echo this somewhat. I’m fine with you choosing to use your power as you see fit, but if you justify your choices by saying it was an opinion/request of other players in the public game thread, I’m inclined to remind you that that includes a lot of untrustworthy folk. I just was trying to keep my word and working with town. However I do need to go back and make sure who asked. Sent from my XT1526 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/318 "2017-02-03T03:51:12Z")
@plumpudding: Cheers! _clink_ _chugs beer_ ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/319 "2017-02-03T03:59:27Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > I’m pretty sure I mentioned it up in the original post that **Guiri** was responding to. > > It certainly would be better. Then again, we’ve only had three lynches so far. It’s not uncommon at all for town to have three mislynches going into Day 4. > > But what makes this discussion disingenous? I’ll repeat the same (well similar in this case) questions I asked **Guiri** and add an extra bonus one: > > If you disagree, why? > > If you don’t, then why pin it as if I’m being scummy? > > Should we not be considering the implications of the three major factions and their numbers over the long term? > > And to call it disingenuous, and then smear two players with that smudge without voting is one of the best examples of smudging I’ve seen so far this game. > > You might not think it’s a subject worth discussing, but to call it disingenuous? Really? Sure, I must be scummy because I can do basic math. It obviously takes perfect information to crank out numbers that are out in the open and infer the significance of them. > > **unvote Khameleon** > > **vote Texcat** When we can’t seem to tell the difference between scum and town, how do you propose we tell the difference between mafia and wolves? I just don’t see the point in discussing it, and can’t imagine why you do. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699/320 "2017-02-03T04:07:40Z")
I mostly completed my read through on Boozahol and for now I’m going to join in the **Vote Boozahol Squid** My reasoning is a little different, well except for meh, not sure how I can disagree with that. I think for scum, it isn’t that difficult to avoid “slips” when posting. Howver, people are going to post what they think about, and what a scum thinks about is a bit different then a townie. Booz’s posts, especially early were filled with posts discussing scum logistics and makeup, scum role strategy, switches, and third parties. Now these aren’t unhelpful topics for town, but they aren’t going to be a townie’s main focus. As a scum, pondering the two scum team setup, third party roles, and switches are more pressing concerns. Booz’s vote history I likewise find unimpressive even putting aside the weak vote against me day one. His votes are often defensive, voting for people who have voted for him first. He also was very focused are getting rid of third parties, more so then almost anyone else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-reunion-day-4/778699.md?page=17)